Kill Bill

[DragonRose]

I saw this last night with my sister and her boyfriend.  I wasn't sure if I wanted to go,  (I was kind of worried about the amount of violence I heard was in it) but I wanted to get out of the house.

I am SO happy I saw it!  Yeah, the violence is like in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, except more so.  On the way back we were all saying "It's just a flesh wound! It's just a flesh wound!"

However, until the end of the first knife fight the sound kept cutting in and out.  Someone up at the front of the theatre went and complained, so they fixed the sound.  Better yet, we all got free movie passes! Woo hoo!

[Mr_Frisby]

Yeah, I digged the trashy violence too. It was like those Sword of vengance (babycart) movies - It was so unbelievable that the more unbelievable it got the more I wanted to watch what bits she could cut off or how much a waterfall of blood was gonna come ot - Pluss . . that totally Pscho music when she confronts a nemisis - I was laughin so hard, that made the movie for me.

[MrColossal]

well i saw it finally

the entire last half of the movie was a flashback and when i saw her fighting Vivica Fox she wasn't missing any limbs or eyes or hair so what does that mean? In the entire last half of the movie no matter what situation she gets into she is invincible cause she has to live to see the first half of the movie...

why should i feel any suspense?

that annoyed me and that's why i was bored during the 4 hour fight scene at the end because it doesn't matter how many bad guys you throw at her she will never ever ever lose

and then someone will say "but the style!! the style man!" and i have to ask what style? during the 4 hour fight scene i can think of a few things, ultra violence [real horror show like] black and white, black and blue

it's still a boring fight scene when it's an invincible character fighting vincible bad guys.

I sure do hope in volume 2 david carradine has a Hand Grenade... then i can finally love these movies

[DGMacphee]

and then someone will say "but the style!! the style man!" and i have to ask what style? during the 4 hour fight scene i can think of a few things, ultra violence [real horror show like] black and white, black and blue

Hey, what, huh, wait, err, what!!!!

That's what I said to you via PM!!!

YUO RIPPED ME OFF ERIK!!11 U WIL PAID for TH1S!!


As for Kill Bill: My only criticism, which latches onto your point, is that they shouldn't have split it -- It was a stupid decision cause (forget the Vivica scene), she does go on to star in a second movie!!

If they released the full thing, they could just make one long narrative.

However, remember this is Tarantino -- the same guy who had John Travolta alive, then dead, then alive again in Pulp Fiction.

The man is a zombie maker.

And I'm sure he's going somewhere good with this.

Keep in mind that Vivica and Lucy will be in Vol 2, even though they're dead -- Maybe he's going to play around with what happened in Vol 1 -- you never can tell.

(On a different note, Travolta's career took an opposite turn to Vincent Vega's life: dead, then alive, and really dead now)

[Barcik]

Eric, it is a homage to old B-movies, it's somewhat obvious the main character has to easily win 3954954 warriors at once, even without the first chapter. And there is a Volume 2 for her to star in....
As for suspense, I think you can rest assured that the ending will be far from obvious with QT.

[Sylpher]

Well...

(If you haven't seen the movie and you highlight don't get mad at me)

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We still don't know why Bill and the gang killed everyone at her wedding. Why she was having a secret wedding in the first place and how the hell she got a crap load of money to fly all the way to Japan and get the sword and back..

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(Really this one you don't want to highlight I mean I'm not kidding if you haven't seen it just don't..DON'T!)

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And she doesn't know about the baby..

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[Shattered Sponge]

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Sylph said:
...how the hell she got a crap load of money to fly all the way to Japan and get the sword and back..
Sylph stopped saying.

I think that was probably one of the many anachronisms in the film, like how she managed to stay in that carpark for thirteen hours without being caught, or how a sword-maker managed to forge what was alledgedly his finest katana in a single month (although magically managing to get all that money wouldn't actually qualify an anachronism, but anyway); this is a ''Movie movie', according to Mr. Tarrantino, so stuff like that doesn't matter.

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[DGMacphee]

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All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Daniel a dull boy.

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[Shattered Sponge]

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*Shattered Sponge divorces DeeGee

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[DGMacphee]

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TOO LATE!

*DGMacphee chops down Sponge's door with an axe!

HEEEEERE'S DANNY!!!!!

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[Haddas]

I haven't seen it...






AAARGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... Overdose!

[MrColossal]

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barcik, but the end was totally obvious of the first one

and i don't care if it's an homage to b movies i can still feel suspense when i see Bruce Lee kicking ass because in the movies i've seen they've been in real time and not a flashback

not that all movies in flashbacks suck but i don't think it worked well for this movie in my opinion.

and sylph: in the entire movie there are only what 4 cops? this i accept cause it's an action movie and it's a staple of the genre, if cops are anywhere they only appear at the end or to push the action out of the current room into another or into a high speed chase or some such.

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[Las Naranjas]

I can't say that it can really lay calim to be homaging Lee. It's far more like all the film Lee was reacting against.

But then again, people thing Baroque music is "Classical"...

[Duzz]

saw it last night, I liked it alot more than the matrix, but it wasn't super great, I prefered snatch in terms of style...
I agree that the music was a little repeditive and annoying, mainly in the anime sequence...

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and what airline allows you to carry swords with you?

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I heard that the black and white bits were made like that simply to please the censors, but were in full colour in some countries. Anyone seen the colour versions? I imageine it must be quite a bit more gory...

[Esseb]

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The airlines in a movie universe where a person can take out 88 people in a matter of minutes.

Actually, the plane has special holders next to the seats intended to be used for katanas people carry on board. A leftover from the original script in which everyone carried katanas around.

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[DGMacphee]

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I think that'kll be in the director's cut, Esseb.

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[even wolf]

Aight, I got to jump in here and make some claims.

Eric -  I have to accuse you of "sloppy seconds syndrome"  in this scenario.  The hype has been released by the time you watch it, you can't help but think how widely accepted of a movie it is, and you want to find something wrong with it.  This is a bold claim, I realize.

The rationale:
A.  Eric assumption #1: people see movies based on curiosity of how many body parts or lives the main character escapes with.  

Jesse claims false based on the fact that linear movies are full of archetypes, especially one where the hero survives unscathed.  Even some of the biggest post modern fans would boo at the screen if the hero died at the hands of the enemy.  It's not anticipated for the hero to die, it's anticipated for the hero to go from point A to point B in the most intense and interesting way as possible.

I don't see enough non-linear films these days, and I argue the structure was interesting  (i.e: Audience questions such as "why the hell is she driving a truck that says Pussy Wagon?" which are answered later often in a comical way).  We can't call these "flashbacks," as there is no linear path of time we are following- flashbacks normally occur as dream sequences or what have you- and are a major cop out. Kill Bill was done in chapters, and I really like the order so far.

There's also the point that in non linear films, time matters less- meaning she can get scarred, bruised, burned, stabbed, or any number of things- and it will have no bearing on the scene you are currently watching because it happened four months ago etc.

One thing is for sure- QT really teased us with Madsen and Kerradine and those guys are definitely worth seeing the second one for me.
The night I saw Kill Bill, Gordon Liu was in attendence and my friend and I interviewed him despite his translator being horrible. Gordon plays two characters- the leader of the crazy 88s and the ping whatever guy who stands on Uma's sword. Neat guy.

[even wolf]

Oh, Eric, to boot!

Your claim that the scene with Vivica cuases you to feel little suspense is justified.  However, that is not the last scene of the movie- she still has to get to Bill.

But I argue this:
Making the structure linear would have raised no more suspense than exists in the non-linear story.   Reason being?  The list itself!  Of course she will kill every name on that list up to Bill!  Of course she will face Bill in the final showdown!  

The only question is: Will she Kill Bill?   there's your suspense, and I doubt the showdown will be anywhere near the beginning of the second movie.  I really am digging the non-linear ness, and who knows- maybe we will see a very good reason for its use in the next film.  (but I'm not defending its use like Matrix 2 fans defended against people who KNEW the 3rd movie was going to suck:  "Dude, you can't say anything until you see how cool the third one will be!) Hehehehe.


I love you eric

[MrColossal]

The rationale:
A.  Eric assumption #1: people see movies based on curiosity of how many body parts or lives the main character escapes with.  

i can't respond to any of this until i know what this means and where you got this from

that and the most hype i got from this movie was 1 preview i saw and jess saying it's a great movie and my brother saying it's a terrible movie oh and grundislav seeing it 3 times or some such nonsense

and while i'm waiting on that:

"Your claim that the scene with Vivica cuases you to feel little suspense is justified. However, that is not the last scene of the movie- she still has to get to Bill."

But i did feel suspense with the Vivica fight cause to me at that moment that was real time and to me that still is real time. So what happened before that? Hospital/Oishii. I didn't feel suspense over the 9 hour fight scene where she beat up half of Japan. One can claim "You aren't supposed to feel suspense you're supposed to laugh, it's a joke! C'mon she cut a guy in half!" and I say "I got that joke before I went and saw the movie and I guess it just wasn't funny to me."

and for the second sentence that makes no sense... the last scene of the movie, since we all saw it is

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bill and the lawyer

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i could care less if you say there's a sequel coming out, that scene is the last scene of THAT movie. And i can't really see how you aren't saying that I'll have to watch both movies in order to enjoy the first one. I'm not sitting here gripping my hemorroid donut in suspense every second of the day wondering if she'll kill bill or not... and i didn't grip my travel hemorroid donut at the theater once except for the fight with vivica fox.

so i think the one thing we can all learn from this is that eric has a horrible horrible hemorroid condition

[DGMacphee]

Because you're looking at it as two sepearte movies, when it's supposed to be one whole movie.

Perhaps the flashback would be justified in the context of the whole movie because it's basically an introduction to The Bride's character, and shows her in action (i.e she can escape from hospital, get a sword for free, and then kill 88 guys, plus others that get in her way).

That's why I say the only real problem with the movie is it's cut in half (It was intended as one whole moive, rather than two halves).

If it were one whole movie, the flashback would be acceptable as it's basically an introduction and the full movie can build from then on in real time.

But the Harvey W is a dick for making Miramax cut Tarantino's baby in half.

Other successful movies use this flashback and episodic convention.

E.g. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon -- You know she's not going to stay with the bandit king in the desert flashback as she's getting married in real life.

However, in the context of the full movie, this is justified as it gives background to both character and their relationship.

If Kill Bill was shown in full, the O-ren Ishii fight flashback would probably be in the same place as CTHD's flashback in terms of narrative structure.