Saddam Captured?

[Darth Mandarb]

I was going to stay out of this thread because I know how these things go.  I know that some just aren't going to agree with what is so obvious to me just as I'm not going to agree with what is so obvious to them.

Having said that, I do have something to contribute:

SSH

Anyway, the reason the USA doesn't invade the REAL threats to world security is the same reason they didn't attack the USSR during the cold war: they have nukes and would use them. That is why the idea of WMD in Iraq is laughable...

This was always in the back of my mind.  I figured it was because they thought Iraq had the weapons, just not the delivery systems.  So the real threat of WMD was on the battlefield.  I think the REAL threat is from countries who have ICBMs and Nuclear subs ... stuff like that.

In my opinion, the U.S. not attacking Russia during the Cold War, and now staying away from other REAL threats like North Korea, is only common sense.  Nuclear weapons have become FAR more a defensive tool than an offensive one.  North Korea knows full well we won't send troops in because they have the ability to attack the U.S. with nukes.

So in this case, diplomatic routes (and ominous threats of world destruction) are really the only logical, and sane, paths to tread.

Of course, since it's so popular to hate Bush/Blair everybody will say bad things about them and make insults as to why they only attack countries like Iraq (revenge, oil, etc).  All of which may well have merit.

So, like OTG commented on, there's always another side to the story.

I remember how much I hated Clinton when he was elected and how I complained about it.  It did a lot of good too!  He was immediately taken out of office ... oh wait, he was there for 8 years!!

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[SSH]

Of course, there's plenty of other good reasons to dislike Bush, the whole "War on people we trained but don't like anymore Terror" aside. Kyoto and:

http://www.thousandreasons.org/listB.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/11/281438.html
http://www.fearbush.com

[Darth Mandarb]

No SSH ... you're wrong ;D

I'm not a huge fan of Bush myself.  I guess I just don't see what good it'll do to rip on the guy.  He's not going to resign just 'cause he's not liked by some.

It reminds me of the line in Forest Gump when the boyfriend of Jenny (who Forest beat up at the Black Pantha Pahtee) says, "blah blah blah, and that lying son of a bitch Johnson!!"  Ooh ... I hate the president ... and my hatred of him is going to accomplish SOOOO much!!!

I've never been able to understand why people get so heated about the president.

Oh well ... that's just my side of the story

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[SSH]

Maybe the anti-Bushists are naively hoping that the information that Bush is a lying, nepotistic, cronyist, evil crook will prevail over the millions that Halliburton et al will donate to his campaign for re-election. Silly, I know, but some people hope that people vote for the best candidate, not the one that pours most money into their campaign.

Of course, it would help if the Democrats had a single credible candidate who would stand...

[DGMacphee]

Sure, hating Bush won't accomplish much.

But he's a fucking moron.

And I'll be damned before I start LIKING a fucking moron.

Not only that, he's a fucking moron in one of the most powerful positions in the world.

I mean, the guy can (barely) control a full-scale war on a small country in the Middle East yet he says stupid shit like "All our imports come from overseas!"

Yeah, no shit sherlock!

Even Maddox agrees Bush is a moron: http://maddox.xmission.com/limits_to_freedom.html

To quote Maddox: "He is a moron."

Maddox even goes so far to suggest a box of Tic Tacs would make a better president: http://maddox.xmission.com/tictacs.html

Sure, the article is humourous, but Maddox makes a pretty convincing argument.

Even his poll shows more people agree a box of Tic Tacs makes a better president.

So, I think it's pretty obvious why so many get heated about the president: He's a fucking moron appointed to one of the most powerful positions in the world.

Shouldn't we have someone who's... umm... responsible... and ohh lets say... intelligent... in such a seat of power.

You know? Someone who isn't a crackhead and can crew food properly?

OH WAIT, HOW COULD I HAVE THOUGHT SUCH A STUPID FUCKING THING!?!?!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

P.S. The US economy is also up shit creek due to Bush's mismanagement -- it was reported just a few minutes ago that the US Dollar hit an all-time low against the Euro.

And guess what?

Conspiracy theorists in the US say that it is all an evil plan by Europe to bring down the US Government.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! *boom*

Whoops, fell out of my chair.

Anyway, you've still got to wonder about the oil -- Even when the oil trading currency in Iraq was changed from US Dollars to Euros in Nov 2000.

I don't know if they've changed back already, but something tells me they will.

Cheapr oil for the US -- You bet!

Then the same oil companies that used to sleep with Bush, Cheney, etc can charge 10 times the ordinary price to decent, hard-working Americans (and even a few mean-spirited, slack-arsed ones too).

Huzzah, Bush -- You'll save the ecomony you fucked up in the first place, and all it took was a war!

[Nacho]

Yes, both sides have had their say but the discussion shouldn't stop until it reaches a conclusion. If that takes a century, so be it.

Good Lord, no!  

[Darth Mandarb]

And I'll be damned before I start LIKING a fucking moron.

I wasn't saying you should like him, far from it.  I don't like him much myself, but no matter how vocal I get it's not going to change any thing.  So I don't bash him ...

That's all I meant.

And believe me, I never doubted your feelings for the man

I, as a general rule, don't like any politicians.  I think they're all liars and cheats ... but hey, what can I do about it?  I didn't vote for Bush ... but he's still in office and he's probably going to win a second term ... even despite all the people who hate him.

** shrug **

Anybody want to move to the moon with me?

[DGMacphee]

I think him being a retard and a mediocre hack was reason enough to be vocal and bash him.

And it does make a difference: It gives me a chickle!

For example, take these wacky pieces of satire I found on google:






(This one if my favourite cause he is riding a large penis, and penises are funny)

HAHAHAHAHA, THEY'RE FUNNY CAUSE THEY'RE TRUE!!!

[Squinky]

One point I'd like to make, that really has nothing to do with saddam, I think....Do all the people that blame bush for the economy really think it goes bad in just a couple of years? Isn't it more likely that it was screwed up in the first place? Say with the last president?

[Nacho]

DG, you´ve been aggressive, very aggressive in many posts, insulting sometimes, trying to be funny.. and that picture of Bush riding the big penis has been the last straw!









Showing that big penis makes me remind how small my dick is.  :'(

[Nacho]

One point I'd like to make, that really has nothing to do with saddam, I think....Do all the people that blame bush for the economy really think it goes bad in just a couple of years? Isn't it more likely that it was screwed up in the first place? Say with the last president?

Another thing that I want to add is that now Bush is blamed for being guilty of having armed Saddam and all that... But let´s remember that it was another president (Reagan?) who did it. That´s so fucking obvious... but sometimes it seems that we forget it.

In fact, Bush can be an arse and all that stuff, but he removed two tyrans of the power, things that no previous president has done since Rooselvelt, I think.

Sorry for the double posting, I was writing in response to DG, when squinky posted  

[DGMacphee]

One point I'd like to make, that really has nothing to do with saddam, I think....Do all the people that blame bush for the economy really think it goes bad in just a couple of years? Isn't it more likely that it was screwed up in the first place? Say with the last president?

Acutally, you could even say that the president before that was responsible.

And even the president before THAT.

Reaganomics my arse!

Another thing that I want to add is that now Bush is blamed for being guilty of having armed Saddam and all that... But let´s remember that it was another president (Reagan?) who did it. That´s so fucking obvious... but sometimes it seems that we forget it.

(Left) US Defense Secretary Rumsfeld shaking hands with a good friend in the 80s. (Right) Rumsfeld today with his pet monkey.

I've also got it on video if you've like to see: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/shakinghands_high.wmv

Also, have a think about who was Vice President during the Reagan era.

In fact, Bush can be an arse and all that stuff, but he removed two tyrans of the power, things that no previous president has done since Rooselvelt, I think.

Yes, he removed two tyrans of power, but all he's going to do is put two more tyrans of power in place.

[gandalf654]

"ladies and gentlemen.......we got him"

They even done dna tests.So how can it not be saddam. 8)

[DGMacphee]

They even done dna tests.So how can it not be saddam. 8)

You're right!

The DNA tests prove it's Saddam!

After all, the US Government has never falsified reports!

And there are WMDs in Iraq! Seriously!

And the tooth fairy is REAL -- She gangbangs with Santa and the Easter Bunny before a Leprechaun jumps out of her vagina!

[Barcik]

Of course, there's plenty of other good reasons to dislike Bush, the whole "War on people we trained but don't like anymore Terror" aside.

You can't blame a person for correcting a mistake. Yes, you can blame him for making hte mistake at the first place, but in such a case the correction part is justified.


DG: I hope that was pure sarcasm and that you don't really think it's fake.

[DGMacphee]

DG: I hope that was pure sarcasm and that you don't really think it's fake.

After all the lies the US Government has told over the last few decades, it's kinda hard to not be skeptical.

[Nacho]

So IT wAs HIIIM!!!11! RETarDed!!1! MOroN!!!1

And I WAS BlaMInG TeH PooR RONalD!

IT WaS DONAlD!!!1! I HATe DONaLDs!!!1!

signed:

[Barcik]

With all due respect, this is not something they can lie about. Firstly, I don't believe the WMD accusation is a lie. There think there are Iraqi weapons of mass destruction hidden in arab states such as Syria and Lebanon. And the problem is that since the search hasn't ended yet this can't be called a "lie". However, if a nosy reported writes that the Saddam the Americans caught is a double Bush is over.

To make the point more clear - let's take two situations with the WMDs.
1) Bush invented a story about Iraq having WMDs, and is now running a phoney search for them.
2) Bush announced he found the WMDs, when in fact all he has is a rocket-shaped.

Which lie is by far the worse from a public relations point of view?

[DGMacphee]

So IT wAs HIIIM!!!11! RETarDed!!1! MOroN!!!1

And I WAS BlaMInG TeH PooR RONalD!

IT WaS DONAlD!!!1! I HATe DONaLDs!!!1!

A typical Farlander response -- It makes no sense and looks retarded.

With all due respect, this is not something they can lie about. Firstly, I don't believe the WMD accusation is a lie. There think there are Iraqi weapons of mass destruction hidden in arab states such as Syria and Lebanon. And the problem is that since the search hasn't ended yet this can't be called a "lie". However, if a nosy reported writes that the Saddam the Americans caught is a double Bush is over.

To make the point more clear - let's take two situations with the WMDs.
1) Bush invented a story about Iraq having WMDs, and is now running a phoney search for them.
2) Bush announced he found the WMDs, when in fact all he has is a rocket-shaped.

Which lie is by far the worse from a public relations point of view?

Case in point about WMDs -- Bush said in his State of the Union address that Hussein sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.

The CIA later said this was untrue (after the war, mind you).

Also, Iraqi scientists say that Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program was all a lie -- They basically lied to him on weapons projects to get increase their funding but the money never went to any development of arms.

Also, keep in mind US intelligence sources say the US government were considering planting WMDs in Iraq.

Did you want me to continue?

[Barcik]

You can continue, but it will be irrelevent. Because, were it a lie (and I still believe it isn't, and I there is plenty of counter evidence), it will still be a different kind of lie from telling that the US found them when they really didn't.