Blasphemy

[BorisZ]

Would it be a blasphemy if I say that it would be cool if AGS would enable support for 3d characters (like wintermute did)?

   

Oh no, did I say that?? What was I thinking?

[Evil]

... wow...

[scotch]

No... not really.  But CJ has no interest in doing that, personally I'd be against any tacked on 3d... a 3d game engine needs to be 3d entirely for it to work well enough for me.  We discussed it a lot, and it won't be done.
Anyone who wants to use 3d characters is encouraged to use Wintermute instead.

[LGM]

I believe it's blasphemy just creating this thread. What a silly question! 3D animation has been supported in EVERY adventure game since the early AGI games! So of course AGS is already capable of doing so!

I mean, it says here at the top of the box: "A 3-D Animated Adventure Game!"

[Las Naranjas]

That's the main strength of having multiple engines. They can specialise to a degree to suit different people.

[monkey0506]

As long as your walkable area covers 4 pixels then you have 3D.    This is of course in reply to what lgm said.  I mean, you can walk, up, down, left, right, and diagonally.  That pretty much covers 3D, eh?

Yeah, I know, you were asking about 3D characters.  I think that if you can render individual frames, you could use the views AGS provides (including diagonal views) to create a decent 3D character.  But then I don't know anything about 3D.

[PsychicHeart]

haven't you ever played the more recent Ben Jordan games?
They aren't behind-shoulder, but they are 3d nonetheless.

[InCreator]

Blasphemy?
3D characters is a thing about graphical side of AGS games, so I rely on that.

Blasphemy?
Well, asking for such thing, yeah.
Not only because it has been discussed about 1000 times or so...

Look --
we have totally free, powerful and flexible engine, right?
Why --
keep asking for something that majority can't, doesn't want or simply are not able to (professionally) use?
If --
you want such improvement, which will most likely make a huge change in AGS overall...
Do --
Push the engine into limits! Drain it dry!
Make --
So good, so pretty, so damned good 2D game, using everything that engine is capable to do, so you
Will --
show people that such improvement could do wonders, that there's absolutely nowhere to go on with your game, and you - and we all definetly
Need --
to get something entirely new to make better games.

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what the hell am I doing? This looks like a weird commercial 

Anyway, It's nice to dream sometimes, and I confess making such sin myself, but I'd prefer a simple great 2D game instead of all these horrid polygon messups all the newbs will start to release since the moment 3D characters will be integrated.

[Nine Toes]

Heh.Ã,  Actually, while I was reading that, all I could think about was William Shatner on Star Trek.

There's nothing wrong with 2D.  Actually, what's the difference?  Do you play games because they look cool with all their polygon whatnots and doodads?  Or do you play them because the story is good, and it keeps you intrigued?  2D can be just as quality (if not better sometimes) than 3D.

I think another reason why 3D isn't a good idea for this engine, is not only because it would take a massive overhaul of the engine, but because adventure games are traditionally 2 dimensional point and click games.  (There are some exceptions, like "The Longest Journey" which sported 3D characters, and 3D rendered backgrounds.)  But anyway, keeping it 2D is probably best because it would stay true to tradition.

[PsychicHeart]

Hyde is right. There is too much focus on graphics in big game industry now. most of them usually suck because the only real effort is put in the graphics. But then, a lot of little kids prefer good graphics to good gaming.....what have we become!?
tututututututututut.

[Mr Jake]

Um. What so special about the BJ games that make them more "3D"?

Also, there is alot of work put into graphics in the commercial market and for good reason. You won't sell games with good gameplay. You don't feel the game play when watching an advert, reading the box.  Recently games have become balanced between graphics and other aspects.

[Nine Toes]

You won't sell games with good gameplay.

You are right, but there is just something so awfully wrong with that.

[false TV commercial]"Hey, kids!  Go out and buy Poo Slingers 3D Turbo!  It has no storyline, plot, or point in being to speak of, and frankly the controller scheme sucks, but you should still buy it anyway because it's got awesome 3D graphics!"[/false TV commercial]

Do you see what I mean?

[Mr Jake]

I would totally buy the Poo Slingers 3D Turbo.

But yeah, I know what you mean.

I think the market is changing recently tho. Not so much of a focus on one area of the game.

[PsychicHeart]

[false TV Commercial shown after last] "And, if that doesn't sound like your cup of tea, play DeathWraither 6! It is extremely violent, has no plot, just mindless murder, has a high level of coarse language, and is rated PG at your local game store". [/false TV Commercial shown after last]


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sorry, i sorta wandered off topic there didn't i?
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[LGM]

No need to apologize for normal behavior.

[PsychicHeart]

normal or normal for me?

[Darth Mandarb]

I think [am hoping] that the gaming industry is going to realize that, now, anybody can make snazzy looking graphics and they will go back to making games with plots and characters that are actually good.

Kind of like the movie industry, as I mentioned in the War of the Worlds thread, has finally reached a point where the fancy shmancy CGI no longer takes center stage and the characters/plot are now sitting in the driver's seat again.  (in some cases)

If computer games can get back to what they were before the 3D craze started, but maintain the fancy shmancy graphics of today, I think we're really in line for some fantastic games soon ...

[PsychicHeart]

exactly. that's why amatuer game makers sometimes get spotted by big games industries.
Quote from 'The Simpsons':
Homer: Marge [Big game Industries], you don't know what it's like for me [amatuer game makers]. I'm the one putting my ass on the line all the time, i'm the one who has all the pressure!

[Kinoko]

Oh god, not this bloody discussion again @_@ Can't we stick it in popular threads and ban all further mention?

[Blackthorne]

Dude, I heard you guys were selling Poo Slingers 3D Turbo in here.... sweet.  I want one!



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