Mohammed cartoons

veryweirdguy · Tue 07/02/2006 09:33:33

HADDAS is stating to SOUND like an INDIANA JONES game.

SSH · Tue 07/02/2006 10:11:34

Violence is bad and is only justified in true self defence. If everybody of the thousands who had protested at the Danish embassies in Syria, etc. had weapons with them and intended to attack the embassy with fire etc, don't you think that the damage and casualties would have been much higher? Yes. Everybody wthere was angry but not everybody was violent. Because some violence happens, we all assume that everybody there was involved. But if I go to a football match and some rival fans have a punch up, it doesn't mean that I was violent.

And Squinky, that's not it... it that they did the same personal attack to nearly every citizen of your country, then apologised for it and then some other people said they shouldn't have apologised. It's that last bit that would make me most angry, and the same happened here: riots only after the RE-publishing. And the muslims will "get over it" too, but in the meantime some of them might get very angry.

Haddas · Tue 07/02/2006 10:15:30

Quote from: veryweirdguy on Tue 07/02/2006 09:33:33
HADDAS is stating to SOUND like an INDIANA JONES game.

I'm just POINTING the IMPORTANT things!

passer-by · Tue 07/02/2006 15:27:30

Do you really think this is only and exclusively about the cartoons?Ã,Â Ã,Â :

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And the other side's reaction is really silly... if not openly provocative.

JimmyShelter · Tue 07/02/2006 15:32:35

Quote from: cp on Tue 07/02/2006 15:27:30
Do you really think this is only and exclusively about the cartoons? :

No, it's also because the muslims are jalous because we have puppies.

Squinky · Tue 07/02/2006 15:52:21

I get what you are saying SSH, but I just simply disagree with you.

voh · Tue 07/02/2006 17:36:25

One of the "cartoons" supposedly added by the imam who instigated this whole deal:

And here's the original:

It's Jacques Barrot, who won a contest where the goal was to imitate animals.

There were two other "cartoons" that were added, and were never actually in the paper, or supposed to be. And it just happens to be these 3 cartoons which pissed muslims off the most. And with so many people burning flags, and little of them stopping and critically thinking about it, it just goes to show that sometimes all people need is an excuse to go out and burn things.

I saw a piece of video last night of people rioting, and some were shouting "DEATH TO USE, DEATH TO ISRAEL". WTF does that have to do with anything?

I am now of the opinion that a lot of people are stupid, blind sheep. And that they should be safe-guarded from themselves.

Jesus...

SSH · Tue 07/02/2006 21:23:34

Quote from: Squinky on Tue 07/02/2006 15:52:21
I get what you are saying SSH, but I just simply disagree with you.

Can we test this... could you post a photo of a close family member?

fred · Tue 07/02/2006 22:10:53

SSH, the riots happened after republishing of the cartoons, but the official demands for an apology from the Danish government came before that. Our prime minister said he couldn't get involved in the case and have a diplomatic meeting with representatives from the Arab world, because the offense would have to be tried at a court and was not a political matter. This in particular offended the muslim representatives, probably because in their own countries the head of state is in control of the media and they didn't understand or believe in this difference, or in the concept of a free press.

Also, the cartoon is not personal. It's aimed at a historical person, and a lot of people chose to take it personally. Guess they are burning our flags to invoke the same feeling in us, which is just ridiculous. In the west, anyone who gets some public attention is prepared to have papparazzis and cartoonists make their best shots at them, which must be irritating, but which is inseparable from our political wish that all authorities should be occassionally questioned, just like they are at the elections. We see the reason in this, because without it, something like nazi germany may happen again. Same reason church, state, courts and police are separate institutions.

Nacho · Tue 07/02/2006 22:23:21

Quote from: SSH on Tue 07/02/2006 21:23:34
Quote from: Squinky on Tue 07/02/2006 15:52:21
I get what you are saying SSH, but I just simply disagree with you.

Can we test this... could you post a photo of a close family member?

So, are you saying that if we post a pic of our mom and you photoshop it to make it offensive, we are going to go to your house and burn it?

Let's be serious.

Squinky · Wed 08/02/2006 01:09:49

Quote from: Farlander on Tue 07/02/2006 22:23:21
Quote from: SSH on Tue 07/02/2006 21:23:34
Quote from: Squinky on Tue 07/02/2006 15:52:21
I get what you are saying SSH, but I just simply disagree with you.

Can we test this... could you post a photo of a close family member?

So, are you saying that if we post a pic of our mom and you photoshop it to make it offensive, we are going to go to your house and burn it?

Let's be serious.

I don't really want to test it, heh. I thought about it and realized if I was being truthful I would give you a picture of one of my kids to let you photoshop because that would provoke me the most. I still don't think I would go apeshit on you though. Different conditions though wouldn't you say?

voh · Wed 08/02/2006 01:18:30

If somebody photoshopped my mom having sex with a dog, I would laugh and show it to my dad, and we'd both laugh.

If you get angry about that sort of thing, you're too tight. WAY too tight.

tc · Wed 08/02/2006 02:02:30

ok, not giving a damn is one thing. But showing it to your dad and laughing with him about it?! No offence, but that's sick.

Kinoko · Wed 08/02/2006 02:08:55

I have no idea what this thread is about. What cartoons? What's happening? o_o

tc · Wed 08/02/2006 02:13:24

look who's awaken from hibernation! ^_^

Kinoko · Wed 08/02/2006 02:16:28

Try living in Japan, where international news is few and far between.

tc · Wed 08/02/2006 02:27:52

there's still the internet if you're looking for international news. but i apologize if i sounded mean.

voh · Wed 08/02/2006 02:39:53

Quote from: tc on Wed 08/02/2006 02:02:30
ok, not giving a damn is one thing. But showing it to your dad and laughing with him about it?! No offence, but that's sick.

It's called not taking yourself too seriously. Try it, you might like it.

tc · Wed 08/02/2006 02:54:11

i'm afraid i won't. there are certain limits.

Kinoko · Wed 08/02/2006 03:22:31

Quote from: tc on Wed 08/02/2006 02:27:52
there's still the internet if you're looking for international news. but i apologize if i sounded mean.

No, no, no. I didn't take it that way at all.

In regards to voh's comment, just remember that people are different. You might imagine that to be a mean laugh he has with his father, but I'm sure what voh meant is that they're both so secure in their own feelings for their mother, that any attempt to anger them with a silly little meaningless picture is just laughable. Kind of like "Pfft, whatever. This this sucks. Ah well, back to lunch"