Dead Man's Chest: Not Half Bad!

[=The=Brat=]

Jet, you beat me to it.

[Tiki]

Zor - Note that Farlander said "POTC 1", which does in fact have the ending he is referring to.

[Erenan]

Tiki - Note that he also asked about the scene after the second film's credits.

[Phemar]

No Tiki He actually did ask about Pirates 2!

[Nacho]

I've mentioned POTC because there was also a scene in the end, after the credits, but my question was about POTC 2... Anyway, I went to the cinema and saw it personally... ^_^

Just for those who have seen the movie...

Spoiler

I was hoping to see Jack in the water after defeating the craken...Ã,  :'( I know they will resurrect him, but it could have been cool to him to manage to save himself with no external help... I am still confident he did it, we will see in part 3

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[Darth Mandarb]

Disclaimer - I've not read the entire thread so I don't know if any of this was previously mentioned (I'm at work and can't take too much time to read it all right now but I wanted to weigh in the movie)

I really enjoyed the movie.  The sword fight scene w/ Norrington and Jack and Will on the wheel was WAY cool.

Having said that I have some complaints:

1) too long.  I'm all about lengthy movies when they need to be long, but this movie didn't need to be near 3 hours long.

2) too many re-characters.  I don't mind (and it's logical in sequels) that there are some of the same characters but it was like they were just throwing in the popular ones (the two goofy guys from the first one) for no reason.

3) Elizabeth.  Now don't get me wrong ... I could stare at Keira Knightly all freakin' day ... but in the first movie she was a resourceful, if somewhat naive, young woman who, suddenly in the sequel, is a swash-buckling sword master?  It was too over the top and I think they were just trying to capitalize on her "bad girl" persona she developed between black pearl and Dead man's chest (w/ films like Arthur and Domino).

4) my biggest gripe (which I'm sure most won't agree with) is the "urkle" syndrome.  They took 10% of Jack Sparrow from the first film (the quirky silliness) and made it 90% of his character in the sequel.  I felt like he was a bumbling idiot in this movie.  Think of the scene in the first when they are stealing the ship and Wil says, "here they come" and jack turns toward the camera and gives that little smile ... THAT was jack sparrow.  Not some dainty feminine ninny like he seemed in the sequel.

Having said all that I still rather enjoyed the movie and I love a good cliffhanger ending.

[Cookieswithmilk]

The problem with some sequels is that the movie almost acts like the preceding film never happened... POTC goes a little too far in the other direction... it was annoying to hear the same exact lines in very similar situations as what happened in the first film. You could almost tell they were coming, in a bad way. Not that this happened a bunch or that I didn't love the first one, but I found these moments uninspired.

It wasn't a huge problem, though. The length was. The entire cannibal sequence had nothing to do with the main plot. It was fun sure, and really that's what matters most, but it had practically nothing to do with the story. The scene where Elizabeth faked fainting on the beach while Jack, Will, and the washed up commodore were fighting was unintentionally funny and completely useless. The water wheel fight scene was great, but it dragged on I thought. These three had been fighting for a good while now and it was starting to get dull. Maybe they could have cut out a lot of the previous fighting?

I thought Davey Jones was very good. His voice and look and everything was nothing short of awesome, except for the organ-playing session. The character should have been explored more though... I know almost nothing about him. His crew was laughable at best though... am I supposed to be intimidated by some guy with a hammerhead shark head in place of a human one? Or the one with a hermit crab for a head? Stupid.

Jack really was just a bumbling idiot in this one. He's no longer the smooth, manipulative, unorthodox hero of old; replaced with a guy who practically does nothing right. Elizabeth and William were flat characters. There were a lot of things wrong with the movie, but you know what? It was fun to watch. The good easily outweighs the bad. There were plenty of memorable moments. The effects were great as was the music. And I loved the twist ending, the voodoo lady, Davey Jones, and the action. No other pirate movies have come out for a long time, and it's a nice change of pace to watch a movie placed in a mysterious version of sail-era carribean than to watch another by-the-books action flick. It's a good movie set in a superb universe. 4/5

[MarkPhantom]

Keira and Orlando are just damp fireworks.

True, but they play the nice characters. Orlando Bloom isn't supposed to be funny, and Keira isn't supposed to be tough. It's their characters, and also, they shouldn't change. Their dependence on others make the other characters important. Look at The Mummy. Great movie. The characters were funny, clever, and each had their own flaws. In The Mummy Returns they've changed way too much.
I think POTCII balanced the characters out just fine.
And of course, Jack Sparrow kicks ass.

No, I don't ever accept the excuse that they're 'supposed' to be like that. The characters could have been more fun, could have been more interesting - but they just left them as pretty poster boys. Yes, The Mummy Returns changed the characters FAR too much (reincarnation of Egyptian Princess? Karate? EH?) but if you're going to expand your characters for your sequel, make them more solid. And make Keira's 'tough girl' character three hundred times less irritating.

[n3tgraph]

I guess we could all make a wonderfull movie!

heh

I love the movie
I really need to watch it again to catch all the details I think, but I enjoyed it.
The thing that Keira acts piratish isn't bad, but I think they overdone it a bit. The part where she forced that guy from the East indian trading thing was great! But she shouldn't be able to sword fight that well imo.

The voodoo lady was marvellous! And the jar o' dirt too!!
Really reminded me a lot of MI 2, which ofcourse is great.

The kraken was great too! Based on old myths where octopusses would turn over ships with their tentacles.
Also davy jones based somewhat on ctulhu (thanks Nacho ) That's great!

I really didn't think Jack was a lot different in this part then in part 1.
I found it kind of refreshing that they didn't really team up. Everyone followed their own goal,

Spoiler

leaving jack on the ship and all.

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I liked it.

Waiting for part 3Ã, 


Sequels aren't always that bad, some I really like:
The Bourne Supremacy
X-Men 2
Spiderman 2
Leathal Weapon parts
American Pie


But alas, there sure are a lot of dissapointing sequels

[Scummbuddy]

Being a daughter to the governor/high ranking official of the time period, I would find it highly plausible for her to have learned some sort of fencing or sword fighting.

[Erenan]

Perhaps, but she was depicted as not having done so in the first film. Then Will gives her some lessons, and all of a sudden she's amazing at it?

Davy Jones's crew were a bunch of pushovers, if you ask me. They'd probably been picking on the dead and nearly dead so long that they were out of practice at doing any real fighting.