The Afterlife... (And a little bit about human nature, too)

lo_res_man · Wed 20/12/2006 22:45:50

Well he admitted the intelligence was wrong, it was on cnn. and don't ask me when, I once hummed a song, it got in someones head they asked me what the song was 30 seconds later, and I couldn't tell them for the life of me. so my memory is not the best in the world.
[edit] here the internets not the best sorce, but here
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/attack/140133_bushiraq18.html

shitar · Fri 22/12/2006 04:09:48

Why is it SO hard for people to believe that we cease to exist when we die? That there is nothing left?Ã,Â

Energy cannot be destroyed or created, only change form/purpose/cycle. So we could assume that if all beings carry this "energy", when they die it is "realeased" and joins a different energy cycle. Maybe something like providing nutrients to the soil, as the body is decomposed in ground, is an example of that?

I seem to be the only one that likes the idea that we came from primates and that when we die we are completely gone (so live your life accordingly).

I agree with you guys saying you would rather die a painful death then a peaceful one.

I mean think about it for a second, why do we fear pain? In a way when we experience it we relate it to death. But if you know you are going to die and your brain accepts it, what is pain? Its nothing. Its just there but it dosent mean anything because you WANT to and ARE dying. Does someone understand what Im trying to say? lol

I think a 'cool' death would be jumping out of an airplane from the highest height possible without a parachute. That would have to have an awesome "bliss" effect on your brain to be falling through the sky like that.Ã,Â

edit: c'mon man, no triple posting, you should know that...

Nikolas · Fri 22/12/2006 08:36:16

Jumping out of an airoplane would give you plenty of time to go:

"Shit! Did I do the right thing? Shit! am I right? Am I going to die? Did I turn off the lights?" and mirriad other stuff, so I wouldn't think that it would be enjoyable enough...

No a fast death is better.

Pain is suffering it's not something close to death, so that if we know we're dying we should accept it.

Not to mention all the people who actually know that they are dying. Do you think they feel fine? Aids, drugs, terminal diseases... Bad things, bad...

Erenan · Fri 22/12/2006 16:35:16

I'm going to die whilst saving a blind orphan's crippled puppy from an exploding convent.

EagerMind · Fri 22/12/2006 17:38:50

Oh, come on Nikolas, don't be such a wuss!

When I die, this is how I want to go. I bet you get one hell of a head rush. Bring it!!! 8)

edit: Changed the link to the Wikipedia entry. The original website I linked to had some other disturbing stuff on it.

Sometimes Google is not your friend!

shitar · Fri 22/12/2006 19:58:25

Quote from: EagerMind on Fri 22/12/2006 17:38:50
Oh, come on Nikolas, don't be such a wuss!

When I die, this is how I want to go. I bet you get one hell of a head rush. Bring it!!! 8)

Hell yeah!

vict0r · Fri 22/12/2006 20:28:10

QuoteAs we can see from a series of printings and engravings of that period, the victim was hung in an inverted position in order to assure sufficient oxygenation of the brain and to slow down the general loss of blood so that he didn't lose consciousness at once, thus to inflict a longer suffering before death struck.

Sick people!

shitar · Fri 22/12/2006 23:14:49

Quote from: the vict0r on Fri 22/12/2006 20:28:10
QuoteAs we can see from a series of printings and engravings of that period, the victim was hung in an inverted position in order to assure sufficient oxygenation of the brain and to slow down the general loss of blood so that he didn't lose consciousness at once, thus to inflict a longer suffering before death struck.

Sick people!

I believe humans probably act cruel like that in a natural environment. Its civilization and society that allows us to get rid of the animal side of our brain.

Helm · Fri 22/12/2006 23:16:17

We don't get 'rid' of shit. And also 'animal side'? You can't cauterize that sort of thing out.

Raggit · Sat 23/12/2006 00:24:25

Helm, what do you believe about our "animal side?"

Do you believe that we have one, and society blocks us from acting on it?

Helm · Sat 23/12/2006 00:36:57

the word that creates problems is 'side'. We are animals.

evenwolf · Sat 23/12/2006 01:20:36

I'm with Helm on this one but the only clarification I'll add is that humans, during one (call it fortunate) turn of evolution, developed speech and the ability to form languages.

Linguists propose that humans developed language around the time tools were invented. Humans needed some way to express how to use a tool to younger generations, also money in the form of tokens and whatnot, gave humans a system in which to gain an understanding with each other. Spoken word offered humans into a category beyond "animal".

But thinkl about yourself. If your parents kept you in isolation, away from langauge and the proper role models, you as a human would behave much like an animal.

Make sense? It should, but of course I am currently innebriated.

Raggit · Sat 23/12/2006 02:35:16

Should we revert to our original ways, and become animals in the wild, killing each other, and taking what we want?

evenwolf · Sat 23/12/2006 02:38:49

Do orcas kill each other of their kind? Do wolves kill those in their immediate circle? I think not. Dolphins, they live in harmony until meeting groups outside their own. We are animals. Try another point of view and I will be happy to disprove it.

Yes, even more innebriated. I am orangatang.

DGMacphee · Sat 23/12/2006 02:45:17

Quote from: Helm on Fri 22/12/2006 23:16:17
We don't get 'rid' of shit. And also 'animal side'? You can't cauterize that sort of thing out.

someone begs to differ...

shitar · Sat 23/12/2006 02:55:01

Quote from: Helm on Sat 23/12/2006 00:36:57
the word that creates problems is 'side'. We are animals.

You are wise.

Quote from: Raggit on Sat 23/12/2006 02:35:16
Should we revert to our original ways, and become animals in the wild, killing each other, and taking what we want?

If it is the way nature intended for us to be why would we do it any other way? Im sure antelope dont enjoy being eaten by the lion but it happens anyways. You dont see them building spears to escape their destiny.

edit: Seriously, stop double and triple posting!

Raggit · Sat 23/12/2006 03:37:02

Quote from: evenwolf on Sat 23/12/2006 02:38:49
Do orcas kill each other of their kind?Ã,Â Ã,Â Do wolves kill those in their immediate circle?Ã,Â I think not.Ã,Â Dolphins, they live in harmony until meeting groups outside their own.Ã,Â Ã,Â We are animals.Ã,Â Try another point of view and I will be happy to disprove it.

Yes, even more innebriated.Ã,Â Ã,Â I am orangatang.Ã,Â

Then what causes humans to kill each other off in captivity?

Helm · Sat 23/12/2006 04:30:39

Quote from: Raggit on Sat 23/12/2006 02:35:16
Should we revert to our original ways, and become animals in the wild, killing each other, and taking what we want?

I am having trouble telling you what the human should be doing, because it's already doing the only thing it could be doing. The situation that has led to this point is massively complex, interfacing, and holistic.

I was objecting to dividing a human down the middle, here's your atavistic side, and here's your rational side. I've had a long experience trying to live that one out and it didn't lead to anything viable. If anything, the many facets of a human being are tied together and support each other to create an unfathomable, singular configuration that is beyond our moral scrutiny.

EagerMind · Sat 23/12/2006 07:11:46

Quote from: shitarâ,,¢ on Sat 23/12/2006 02:55:01If it is the way nature intended for us to be why would we do it any other way? Im sure antelope dont enjoy being eaten by the lion but it happens anyways. You dont see them building spears to escape their destiny.

The implication being that the history of human civilization is somehow unnatural?

It's natural for ants to dig habitats in the earth and scavenge resources from the surrounding environment. It's natural for a pride of lions to live, hunt, and otherwise coexist together as a social unit. It's natural for a hornet hive to send out some hornets to massacre honeybees hives and steal their honey. But it's not natural for humans to form and develop civilizations?

What makes you think that humans are anything other than what nature has intended them to be?

shitar · Sat 23/12/2006 07:58:20

Quote from: EagerMind on Sat 23/12/2006 07:11:46
Quote from: shitarâ,,¢ on Sat 23/12/2006 02:55:01If it is the way nature intended for us to be why would we do it any other way? Im sure antelope dont enjoy being eaten by the lion but it happens anyways. You dont see them building spears to escape their destiny.

The implication being that the history of human civilization is somehow unnatural?

It's natural for ants to dig habitats in the earth and scavenge resources from the surrounding environment. It's natural for a pride of lions to live, hunt, and otherwise coexist together as a social unit. It's natural for a hornet hive to send out some hornets to massacre honeybees hives and steal their honey. But it's not natural for humans to form and develop civilizations?

What makes you think that humans are anything other than what nature has intended them to be?

Because we are the only species of anything in the known galaxy that is capable of destroying its own planet (nukes)?