Saddam Hussein

LimpingFish · Sat 30/12/2006 21:27:28

Lest we forget, he was all cosy with the US when he invaded Iran in the early 80's.

America seems to have no problem befriending these regimes when it suits them.
Just like they buddied up with the Talaban when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan.

You only have to look at America's relationship with the affluent sectors of the Middle East to realise that democracy and freedom, not to mention the "War on Terror!", take a backseat to big business.

It's all very depressing.

Nacho · Sat 30/12/2006 22:14:51

And voilÃ Â !!! (or how talking about an iraqian executed by iraqians under a judjement dictated by an iraqian jury can turn into bashing the USA)

LimpingFish · Sat 30/12/2006 22:19:21

Quote from: Nacho on Sat 30/12/2006 22:14:51
(or how talking about an iraqian executed by iraqians under a judjement dictated by an iraqian jury can turn into bashing the USA)

An Iraq currently under American occupation.

To believe that all of this isn't in some way, however small, influenced by America's foreign policy in Iraq at the moment is naive.

And look how easily bashing the current US government was construde as bashing the USA itself.

EDIT: On a seperate note, it seems the biggest fear among americans at the moment isn't terrorism or war. It's the fear of being perceived anti-american. It now seems to be on a par with being accussed of some heinous crime. Just mho

(Edited for flagrant misuse of the

emoticon.)

Nacho · Sat 30/12/2006 22:39:35

Your use of the tonge emoticon is an unbeatable dialectical tactic. I surrender. You win.

LimpingFish · Sat 30/12/2006 22:41:12

Just trying to keep my post non-threatening.

EDIT: I've always considered the tongue to be cheeky rather than spiteful. $:-\$
If any spite was inferred, 'pologies.

ManicMatt · Sat 30/12/2006 22:55:09

I always follow my

with a

because the tongue one looks like they're sticking their tongue out in spite rather than cheeck.

If only the tongue one smiled like on msn!

Nacho · Sat 30/12/2006 23:23:18

I have been close a lot of times to open a thread about that, guys... For me the tonge emoticon is very, very irritating... For me it is like showing disgust, or that the opinions of someone make you sick... a really serious insult in such open minded forums.

But I know that some people sees on it the "slightly embarassed and therefore smiling with a tonge" pose we' ve seen a zillion time in manga characters.

If someone feels the same than me, I think we should open a little contest to design two different emoticons for that.

LimpingFish · Sat 30/12/2006 23:32:27

Fair enough, Nacho. Point taken.

And as for you, Tongue, you've gotten the better of me for the LAST time.

LimpingFish and the evil Tongue become locked in battle, suspended over a boiling pit of tar! The real sticky kind...that...m-makes your clothes...um...nevermind.

ManicMatt · Sat 30/12/2006 23:40:02

I think the off-topic-ness shows how very little Saddam means to us mwahaha!!

I'm glad I finally brought up the tongue icon.

For the time being, I'll have to use my own custom one!

Yeah, like I will be bothered to look up the url for the pic all the time..

Mr Flibble · Sat 30/12/2006 23:50:14

I'm expecting a lot of flak for this, but I don't really feel much malice towards Saddam. Or rather, I didn't feel malice.
I mean, yeah, he did a lot of terrible stuff. But the way I see it, we invaded his country without just provocation, we kidnapped him, and now we have executed him.

Yeah, that makes us much better people than him.

Sam. · Sat 30/12/2006 23:54:57

Hussein was a mentalist. Fact.

Hussein was an arsehole. Fact.

Hussein deserved punishment, not death. Fact.

ManicMatt · Sun 31/12/2006 00:48:38

Quote from: Mr Flibble on Sat 30/12/2006 23:50:14
..Yeah, that makes us much better people than him.

I'm sure these guys would disagree with you if they could talk:

Hey i get to use my smiley tongue again! bah can't be bothered to get it.

QuoteHussein deserved punishment, not death. Fact.

That is clearly your opinion, not a fact.

Ishmael · Sun 31/12/2006 00:55:31

Fact.

And what's all the talk about the US having chosen the time of Saddam's execution on a less news-flashy time of the year?

Mr Flibble · Sun 31/12/2006 01:54:05

Quote from: ManicMatt on Sun 31/12/2006 00:48:38
I'm sure these guys would disagree with you if they could talk:

So would this guy;

God bless America.

DGMacphee · Sun 31/12/2006 07:22:42

Quote from: earlwood on Sat 30/12/2006 03:16:53
No more than ten minutes ago, Arab reports state that Saddam Hussein has been executed. Certianly there is something to be discussed here, how will this effect the stability in the middle-east?

I'm just hoping it doesn't further destablise an already destablised country.

QuoteAlso 38th president Gerald Ford died and no one seemed to make note of it.

Whoa, are you kidding? What about the televised funeral? And the interview by Bob Woodward? That was frontpage news for many publications!

And it's quite an interesting parallel the Ford interview got released just days before the Saddam hanging because, in the interview, Ford shitcanned Bush for his Iraq invasion policy and said they should have imposed further sanctions instead.

Which is also what I fucking said back in March 2003. You know, around the time when many people here said I was stark raving bonkers for thinking the invasion of Iraq was a stupid idea.

But hey hindsight is 20 fucking 20 vision, right?

Nacho · Sun 31/12/2006 12:47:13

Quote from: Ishmael on Sun 31/12/2006 00:55:31
And what's all the talk about the US having chosen the time of Saddam's execution on a less news-flashy time of the year?

I don' t know if the people saying that are ignorants or ill-disposed liars. Saddam was executed when he was executed because Islam' s law does not allow executions during the holy party period... A law that Saddam followed diligently, being the period with most executions in the year.

InCreator · Sun 31/12/2006 13:49:02

Quote from: Social Reasoner on Sat 30/12/2006 20:57:12
Quote from: InCreator on Sat 30/12/2006 17:21:32
Soliders and military leaders, whatever they do (well, all soliders and military leaders do same thing), deserve to be shot, by wild tradition of humankind. Not ~~hung~~ hanged.

Saddam never served in the military and I dont know if being the dictator of your country and doing your own thing instead of listening to the actual military leaders makes you one of them.
The uniform he wore was completely fake and just something he made up to look more dashing.

I think that anyone who commands warlords with armies and makes war/military-related decisions is considered a military commander. Crawling in mud and shooting practice isn't neccessary for being one. That's what differs him from casual murderer.

For example, isn't president of US considered a highest commander by US laws?

Quote from "Kingdom of Heaven":

QuoteSaladdin: King does not kill a king.

I think that this is one thing that went wrong. How can people around the world trust their leaders if another leader could slay them any minute? Then again, "release Hussein" could be demand used by numerous further terror acts by his supporters. I sense someone striking a fist onto his table and yelling "I want him dead before new year!".
Wonder who this was...?

vict0r · Sun 31/12/2006 14:03:44

Well, kinda off-topic, but the video of the hanging is out. I have to warn you, this is extremely graphic and very disgusting! Please do not click this link unless you are prepared to see a human being get hung.

link removed, a video of someone's death is not entirely appropriate forum material no matter how infamous

Moderators, feel free to remove the link if you think it is too inappropriate.

Neil Dnuma · Sun 31/12/2006 15:34:12

So, you don't believe those with an interest in seeing that would have been able to find it themselves?

I'm with Zoot on this one, noone has the right to take lives, not even Saddams.

ManicMatt · Sun 31/12/2006 15:59:23

As far as I'm concerned he took away his own right to live. He was a cancer, and has been purged from the Earth.

Why spend money keeping him in prison? What a waste!

How much damage from one person would it take for you to think they should die? Do you think you would never think they deserved to die? If a pyscho killed your family in cold blood but were locked up, would you be happy knowing some of your tax is going towards their living costs?

I am not going to watch the video of him being hanged however, I know he's dead and that is enough. If he had killed my family and friends then I probably would want to watch it though.