Saddam Hussein

[Sam.]

That is clearly your opinion, not a fact. 

It's almost as if I meant that to happen....

[voh]

How much damage from one person would it take for you to think they should die? Do you think you would never think they deserved to die? If a pyscho killed your family in cold blood but were locked up, would you be happy knowing some of your tax is going towards their living costs?

I would gladly pay money/tax to have someone who has done a heinous act stripped of his freedom for as long as he lives. For a murderer, rapist, genocidal maniac, it is an easy way out, to die. Also, why the hell should I condone state-sanctioned murder? Don't forget not everyone here is an American - concerning the western world, the death sentence is only actually used in the U.S.

Why do you think they prevent those people from having access to belts, pens, knives whenever possible? Because suicide is very popular amongst those people. A lot of them prefer death over beign in prison for 20-30-40-50-60 years (choose, depending on crime and age, as well as expectancy of further life).

Also, in cases such as Saddam, it's nothing more than bloodlust. Petty vengeance. He didn't deserve to die (and therefore not being punished at all, since he's dead, which is a binary choice, you either live, or dead. While living, you can receive punishment. When dead, not so.), he deserved to be locked up and live decades in solitary confinement, slowly going insane.

And when he's insane, his hands shaking like the feeble-minded halfwit he has now truly become, show pictures and footage to the world, showing his followers and supporters their former leader and example, that'll be worth much more than this.

Those who believe he was on the right path (and no matter how much people deny it, there's more than we think), have now seen him die for what he believed in. He didn't beg, he didn't do anything. He recited passages from the Quran and they didn't even let him finish that. He went in a dignified way (sad as I am to say that), which has a high probability of instilling a feeling in his followers that since he was willing to die for what he believed in, they might as well.

He IS a martyr to those who supported him. And the bloodshed in Iraq is far from done.

This is what I both believe and what I'm afraid of.

[Sam.]

The biggest thing with Husseins execution is the amount of shit it will  throw up. Sure they show the pictures of shiites dancing in the streets, but what about everyone else? The ones who supported him have a cause now, a martyr.

[shitar]

Quote from "Kingdom of Heaven":

Saladdin: King does not kill a king.

Exactly. That says it all, seriously.

Oh and why are people asking about the "stability" of Iraq now? Its the easiest question to answer. The country is divided into 3 hostile factions. The one man that was strong enough to tell them to stfu and force them united is dead. What is there to think about? I give that country at the MOST 10 years without Sadaam before they collapse because of ethnic problems. Take a look at Yugoslavia if you really need any kind of example of what happens when a unitary leader dies (and BTW Tito killed alot more people then Sadaam in political prisons and USA loved him).

[gangstar]

 
there is a problem bro why they kill saddam in sacriface festival it s very holy for muslim
and he kill a lot of people in iran war right but this is a war israil kill a lot of muslim in lubnan and in east europe srbian kill muslims too how about that and my perents came turkey from macedonia near the srbia...
saddam kill his people but why in our holy festival kill him he 69 he ll die in a few year i dont say saddam is angel
dont make fun of with saddam he is already dead that s all

[LimpingFish]

There will always be a question mark above the timing of the execution, as there will be about the very act itself.

The current US government has been using Saddam as a platform to consolidate its political control since it entered office, laying the blame for everything from Al Qaeda and 9/11 to the recent situation with Iran at his door.

How anyone can believe anything the US government says regarding the middle-east anymore is beyond me. None of this has anything to do with freedom, justice, or a free democratic Iraq. It's about focusing attention on a nebulous "Enemy" figure, of using political slight-of-hand to appease the masses. Fear is the ultimate political controlling factor.

Saddam ran Iraq into the ground, and what should now be an affluent middle-eastern power, is a fractured warzone. He murdered his own people for years before the US got interested, coincidently around the time he invaded Kuwait.

The abuse of religion, of foriegn nations, of the concept of democracy itself, continues.

Next stop, North Korea...

[shitar]

Next stop, North Korea...

You are forgetting Venezuala. Probably the reason they will be invaded first is because they have a law that says Americans cannot do the drilling itself, for oil. Its practically in the crosshairs already because over there gasoline is 16 cents a gallon. And I know this because I've been to Caracas.

The US gov. has been supporting/funding groups to overthrow Hugo Chavez but they are NEVER successful because he's managed to make a good image for himself to his people. Whats funny is that alot of media outlets try to suggest his "elections" are fishy. Which is funny because last time he got 95%+ of the votes. Thats not even close enough to call it "fishy". It would have to be like 51/50 to be fishy not 95/5. On top of that 5/6 of the voting regulation organizations there have claimed the elections are legitimate but one of the American groups claims EVERY time that he is cheating.

On the other hand, you have to wonder. If gasoline is only 16 cents there why are so many people poor. If they took the money they could make from drilling and distributed it to the common people everyone would be millionaires. I understand his idea of socialism about everyone needing to be an equal, but if everyone is upper class and rich, dosent that mean it has been accomplished? 

[vict0r]

Fuck saddam! Its 2007!

[Ishmael]

Fuck saddam! Its 2007!

Eh?

What a timely execution, indeed. The American mind is so corrupted. No violence on TV. Everything that shows even a glimpse of real life has a warning of being extremely graphical plastered all around it. The same people apparently think the whole war on terrorism is justified. But it's not. If there were weapons of mass destruction in a country with no oil in it and the US would go in and get rid of said weapons, I'd understand...

If they ever get their troops out of Iraq alive and still have a military command then, I bet it's Venezuela next. But the soldiers will remain in Iraq because the situation doesn't calm down, and they'll all be eventually killed. And meanwhile they settle the situation there, the supporters of Saddam have time to plan out and attack the US. And Osama's people will join in the fun, no doubt. Now the don't even have anything to bargain with, so the US can't play time in a ransom situation.

[deadsuperhero]

Kinda sad. I wanted a more ironic death.
Make him eat thumb tacks. One for every person he killed.

[Nacho]

It' s amazing for me that when someone "good" dies, there' s allway someone here which comes with something like "A condolence thread? Why? Because he was popular? The cousin of my neighbour Mr. Emily died two weeks ago and no one seems to care about that!" and now, some of those people seem to be so "sad" about the dead of such son of a bitch.

[Babar]

If he had killed my family and friends then I probably would want to watch it though.

This is what's so immensely scary. We think we've gone above that, got civilised and all, but we're just as barbaric at heart. I understand the need to 'view' an execution to be able to say that all went in accordance with how the state wanted it and all, but a public execution, with with people from a rival party jeering while he's about to hang, someone whipping out their mobile to show off they were there, I mean, it's like we're back in the middle ages.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he deserved punishment, it's just that the way everything was done, it doesn't serve any purpose. Iraq is going to stay in the rut it's dug for itself for decades ahead, more terrorists are going to use this to spearhead their movement, and well, Saddam is dead. That's it. Not that I have any idea what could have been done better.

[voh]

some of those people seem to be so "sad" about the dead of such son of a bitch.

It seems you misinterpret what most of us who aren't happy with the hanging are saying - we don't feel saddened by the death of Saddan. I can only speak for myself, but I'm definitely not sad that he's dead. That he's dead I don't care about.

What I care about and am slightly irritated by is the public spectacle they made out of it. And I'm afraid of what the consequences are.

No sadness anywhere. And for the others, as far as I've read, they're not sad either, just wary of how this will play out.

[Nacho]

I think my point is still "valid"... when someone "good" dies, allways someone finds a "but..."

My "feelings" (and feelings can be wrong), is that this "buts", in this case, are smaller, and I can' t understand it.

Look, I am going to put an example: Yestersay 31 of dec., 0900 in the morning, a close friend of mine is driving drunk and sees a police alcohol and drug control. He escapes and he kills himself and two girls. Today is the burial ceremony... And I am thinking where to go. To my friend' s ceremony, or to the two girls one. He died as a stupid irresponsible jerk, and I am not really sure if he deserves the homage the ceremony will be. He was a good pal, but the final spot spoils all the record.

So... If my feelings about a FRIEND who killed 3 people by irresponsability are these, imagine my scruples about a bastard who gassed towns.

[voh]

Your personal feelings, however, will have no effect on the already explosive situation in Iraq that might only gain momentum from this hanging.

My personal feelings say that I don't care whether he's dead or not. He's not in power anymore, and that's what matters. My rational and skeptical side tells me it's not for the better that he was hanged in such a public way.

In a situation like you just mentioned, I'd go to the two girls' funeral, due to the accident not being their fault. In the situation concerning Saddam, there's no personal benefit in believing either (except for bloodlust and petty vengeance, which are imnsho barbaric emotions, and to which I refuse to give in) and all that really matters is how this is going to influence the already difficult situation over there.

if I have the choice of having someone terrible become a martyr by killing him in a public display of barbarism, or by having him slide into the annals of history by keeping him in solitary confinement, I'll happily opt for the latter.

[radiowaves]

Ah, Saddam, the father of terror! Certainly the cause of 9/11 and what more... Finally, dead, BURN IN HELL!
Isn't that just plain stupidity to roll all terrorism acts to Saddams fault? Oh, he killed his own people? Well, America and many other countries do it too! USA death camps in Cuba, Russian censorship etc.

I don't actually care if the bastard is dead or alive, the thing is, that all the shit is actually the same. Just another media manipulation to icrease "the war of terror" to insert fear in peoples minds. And what would be the better place and time than THE NEW YEARS EVE to remind that there is still a great chance of terrorism!

Fuck, there are pople dieing in Afghanistan. Families killed, and bodies sold back to some remaining family members so they could bury them. Deal with that!

[gangstar]

who is terorist saddam or bush or israel
what did saddam do to you say me is he kill your  family or???
but abdullah öcalan kill a lot of people one of them in  my family and  if turkey kill the baby killer we  re barbarian and we re  terorist right cause we re muslim
be europen bro they kill saddam in most holy festival they sende a mesage to world

[neelhound]

I think bush is a stupid idotic man who just wants power and doesnt care about the lives of his people but pretends to, therefore the equivalent of a terrorist.
I think saddam is also an idiot wanting power and killing,etc, therefore the equivalent of a terrorist.
I think there are lots of people like this in the world but saddam has now got what he deserves-although alliances idea was good. There would be a big problem to give bush what he deserves.

[Tuomas]

That's quite passionate, and pretty unthoughtful to shout out like that Neelhound. Nevertheless, I agree as much as is humainly possible.

[Layabout]

They shouldn't have hanged him. They should have chopped him up alive and finish with the head.

But there are people who always must be the one to disagree.