Feuersturm 3

[Arvhus Hoth]

I simply can't find the code which the boy at Randstrasse asks for, would appreciate some help, thanks.

[FireOrange]

Remember that the "Ballad from the shell" (Ballade aus der Muschel) is the most important poem of the time after the firestorm! In the part of the poem you`ve found in this chapter you will find the solution! -> Look at the words exactly!

For none-german-speakers there is a helpful translations in one of the readmes you can find in the Feuersturm 3-directory.

[Leon]

Yeah I did that and can come up with only three numbers hidden there (as written in the translation). Should there be more? You could also interpret some words as numbers. There isn't really an indication of what resembles the Feuersturm..

[FireOrange]

The ballad is a poem about the firestorm.

The numbers are just written in words - and there are more than three - look at the poem again and write down what you find!

[Leon]

I did that. If I only take the ones from the 'translation' list, I can only find 3:

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Die großen Häuser verfallen dem Glühen, wechseln vom Rot ins Schwarz.
Gigantische Gebilde von einst sind auf einen Slag verschwunden - die Erde hat sie zu zich gerufen.
Traumhaft gefertigte Gärten verlieren an Beachtung.
Im Mittelpunkt steht nun das Feuer. Meine Ehrfuhr wächst, ich sehe die Welt sterben.
Niemand Weiß zich zu helfen.

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The questions:

- Is this the right poem?
- How many numbers should I be looking for?
- Should they be litteraly there or also interpreted?

[FireOrange]

You are right. There is nothing to interpret. Do it so as you did it before.

And yes - there aren`t more different numbers. But some numbers repeat in this text. The repeated numbers are also part of the code.

[Leon]

Es tut mir leit,  but I fail to see any repetition. The only thing repeated

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is the one at the end (11=double 1). I've tried lots of combinations with these numbers but I can't see any logical explanation for the code. There aren't any words in the text that indicate a repetition of a number.

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Any more suggestions/hints?

[FireOrange]

I think I`ve given you all possible hints, so I am going to say you the code and how you find it:

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It`s 118111 - in the right order: eins, einen, Beachtung, meine, helfen.

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[Leon]

Thanks for that. But then.....

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...you should say that 1 is EIN, EINE or EINS not just EINS...

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This would have taken me very long...  Aparantly I took the translation too literally.   
Oh well, on with the story, sorry for bugging you. 

[FireOrange]

Oh, ok, sorry for that. I did not have in mind that this could be irritating for non-german-speakers.

We have different forms in our language, so we say EINS to the number itself, but for example "EIN Hund" (one dog).

[Leon]

Yeah I know, and einer, eines, einem and all variations. I thought it were only the real numbers you were looking for... I know, shortsightedness of the non-german-speaker.. 
This might become a problem if you ever want to translate it into English... although... one, gone, none, done... enough possibilities :-)

Great game (again), by the way. Good puzzles (apart from the numbercruncher  )

[FireOrange]

Thanks.

A translation of the game into english language would anyway be a difficult thing - not least because of the poems.  So I`ll concentrate on finishing the series before thinking more about it. But it`s great to have already some english players.

[TassieDevil]

I liked the previous chapters. But this number thing is way too difficult. Besides it was unclear if the number should be spelled out or not.. 5 or Fuenf.
I had the numbers 3, 5, 6 from the map; 1, 8, 11 from the poem; 700 - the money... way too many possibilities and no hints.
So I gave up, otherwise it was good until then!

[FireOrange]

You gave up only because of one puzzle? In this thread you should find every hint you need to solve it.

Which money you have or what the maincharacter says about the map has nothing to do with the firestorm. But the ballad is an important part of literature based on the firestorm, so you have to search there.

And the solution:

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It`s 118111 - in the right order: eins, einen, Beachtung, meine, helfen.

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And spell it in numbers, not in Letters!

[FireOrange]

The critism of the players are important to me, so:

Feuersturm - Kapitel 3 has been updated!
Download now at: http://www.secondmoon.de/feuersturm3.rar

I added additional hints for the code-puzzle and changed the readme for non-germans. I think the puzzle should now be easier.

[TassieDevil]

You gave up only because of one puzzle? In this thread you should find every hint you need to solve it.

Which money you have or what the maincharacter says about the map has nothing to do with the firestorm. But the ballad is an important part of literature based on the firestorm, so you have to search there.

And the solution:

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It`s 118111 - in the right order: eins, einen, Beachtung, meine, helfen.

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And spell it in numbers, not in Letters!

Well, I gave up last Friday because I wasn't getting anywhere. Now I know the solution and go from there. My background is German, but I only considered eins, acht and elf - given the readme for non-german. If you expect numbers not words, please say it in the dialogue... and someting to smile at
http://fraktalwelten.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/was-ist-eine-zahl/

Cheers, TD

[FireOrange]

If you expect numbers not words, please say it in the dialogue

In the updated version there is written over the password-GUI "Eingabe (Zahlen, keine Buchstaben)". I think, this should make it clear.

And how I already said, I also added a hint in the dialoge with the boy to make it more clear in which document you have to look. I really hope this will make it a bit easier.

[Leon]

FireOrange,

I don't think the problem here is where to look for the code or how to enter it. It was clear where to look and it was clear how to enter it. The problem lies within the language. Let me try to explain:

In the German language you have a thing called cases (Kasus in German). It's a terror to learn when you're non-German speaking because there are 8:   nominative, genitive, dative, accusativecase, vocative, ablative, locative and instrumentalis. The last 4 aren't frequently used so skip those.

Then you need to know if a pronoun is masculine, feminine, neuter or plural. Depending on these facts you base the cardinal number or article preceding the subject.

In your case, you're mixing the number 'eins' (translated 'one') and articles/cardinal numbers ein/einer/eines/einem (translated 'a'). It's like you want to use the word 'a' for the number 1 as well. For non-German speakers is it very confusing.

In your game, we expected only the number one (eins) and not the articels/cardinal numbers ein/einer/eines/einem. You are right that they all translate to the same 'single' item, but it's just how it's written. In such cases it's safer to take higher numbers (skip the one and two). With the 8 and the 11 there wasn't an issue.

Hope this helps and also clarifies the problem for non-German speakers.

[FireOrange]

Of course, but I don`t understand why you say me that since I made this update version only because of giving additional hints.

Beachtung also just contains the word acht, the same thing you see in words like einem or ein or eins. They just have to contain the word "ein". There is no need to know any german grammar. I changed the readme that it is clear that ein and eins means the number one both. I think I did everything I can to make this puzzle more clear. And skipping words which contain "ein" is nearly impossible.

Sure, this is a german game and german games are always not such easy to play for non-german-speakers.

I don't think the problem here is where to look for the code or how to enter it.

Oh, TassieDevil has had this problem - read his post again! I did the changings based on his postings. But of course I can`t change the whole puzzle or the ballad.

[FireOrange]

sorry, double posting...