Shes 18 i swear [some replies could possibly be offensive to sensitive readers]

[Calin Leafshade]

I assume you are aware that being a paedophile is not illegal. It's a psychological compulsion just like any other paraphilia... Obviously ACTING on that compulsion is illegal but just having peadophilic desires is not.

So i presume you mean that *sex offenders* should be drawn and quartered.. still a little harsh i think.

[Andail]

True. You can't really help being a paedophile. Nobody would be one, if there was a choice.
Then again, Calin is splitting hairs a bit, because you really don't refer to someone as paedophile if that person hasn't already crossed that border. It's not like we can scan people for paedophilic tendencies.

I think realising that you have a sick, destructive and even illegal perversion must be the worst nightmare a human can experience. You'll spend a lifetime constantly fighting the same kind of urge that other people find so pleasurable.

[LimpingFish]

It's not like we can scan people for paedophilic tendencies.

Won't stop people trying.

The hysteria surrounding paedophilia in Britain has reached gargantuan proportions. Taking pictures of your own children in public is now grounds for being stopped by cops of all flavours.

Forget terrorism, money woes, global warming...Paedogeddon is Britain's number one panic engine.

EDIT: And the picture in the first post is a pretty weak attempt at humour. The fact that you only have to show a picture of a child, captioned with an obvious double entendre, for people to become uncomfortable shows how close to hysterical madness the situation has become.

[InCreator]

My initial reaction was "ugh" and emotion that I'm looking at something wrong.

Given it a little of thought, why the hell? There's nothing wrong about this little gymnast, neither about the picture. There's really no valid reason why this advertisement couldn't be used, even if girl is 11 years old (as she looks really).

It's not like she's naked or anything. Pedophiles? They're everywhere anyway. So?

The advert itsself is perfectly safe, methinks. It's not like it turns anyone a pedophile or something.

[monkey0506]

InC I don't think you read the text as it was rather small.

Spoiler

Lickable.

Luscious, smooth, sweet and fun. These are just a few of the words we used to describe our new Vanilla Orange Sherbert Creamsicle [(sic) Notice the extra 'r' in Sherbet..]. These words also apply equally to America's 2006 Olympic Rhythmic Gymnastics Team and the beautiful young ladies that comprise it. In response, Breyers has created a flavour inspired by the sassy metallic orange leotards of our young feminine gymnasts who are eagerly busting their fresh young asses to make every American proud. And of course, our [RSG (??)] themed Creamsicle is just as fun to eat as the girls are a pleasure to watch! So come join in on the action. All proceeds to sales from the Vanilla Orange Sherbet Swirls line go to help sponsor our young ladies in competition against other rhythmic gymnasts from around the world. [(sic) As far as I can tell..if there is anything I got wrong feel free to correct me.]

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I understand the idea that there is nothing inherently wrong with the image itself. The suggestive text however does delve into the realm of being questionable at best, and disgustingly vile at worst.

There is nothing wrong with young girls being gymnasts. There is nothing wrong with them wearing leotards. There is something horribly wrong with the type of people who would actually exploit children sexually. There is a difference though, and it is very important to take note of this.

I have encountered in my travels along the "Information Superhighway" extremely graphic representations of the reality that Pedobear represents. I have come across things that make me want to puke, considering the reality the images represent.

I am somewhat hypocritical in that sense I suppose in that I find the idea of Pedobear, conceptually, hilarious. Many of the images of young girls in which he is placed include him as a very comical addition.

Was there anything wrong with the image of these young gymnasts? No.

Was there anything wrong with linking that image via sexual innuendo to Creamsicles? Probably.

Is the result funny? Possibly, to some.

Is the result upsetting, vulgar, and/or disgusting? Probably, to some.

I don't think any of the opinions that have been voiced here have been extremely over the top as of yet..but as I said, there is a difference:

[Mr Flibble]

If you think all paedophiles are evil child molesters then you think anyone who plays FPS games is a mass murderer waiting to happen.

[Ryan Timothy B]

I don't know what it's like in most countries, but here in Canada and USA the girls seem to dress sluttier and sluttier.  Young girls wearing low rise jeans and exposing shirts.  I'm 25 and I have a hard time NOT looking at the young fully developed 14 year old girls who are dressing like they're 20.  Mostly once I look at them though, I'm usually thinking "God they're young, why are they dressing like that?".

Does that make me a bad person that I check these girls out?  No, I don't believe it does.  I'm not aroused by these young girls.  But now if I started asking these girls out, or wanking off to the mental image of these girls, I wouldn't blame ya if you called me Quagmire. *cough* Giggity Giggity Goo! lol

No really. It's human nature to be attracted to the opposite sex (in most cases) so the only thing that is really making it 'wrong' is what we've become accustomed to and what the law states.  Not that I'm agreeing to pedophilia.

And that image in the first post is totally wrong.  My eyes are somehow drawn to the area of which I'm not supposed to be looking.  Then you see the big words "lickable" and I shudder.

[InCreator]

This text is cipher for me. I tried, but cannot make heads of tails out of it, even from your retype

There is something horribly wrong with the type of people who would actually exploit children sexually.

Um, cheerleading? Isn't that the culture of stimulating sport with sex? Also, generally drunk public watching game? Games come with tickets, which come with money so it's all business.

Soviet (or japanese or whatever) school uniforms? I always wondered how such short skirts made it into school uniforms - especially at age of when even kissing in movies was taboo: probably at the end of the line was bald, middle-aged, sick and sneaky man/men with power to make laws...

I don't see how named - and billion more similar things would be less "sexual exploit". Pedophiles can think dirty thoughts while looking and whatnot.
It's like this ad: maybe the motivation behind making this WAS unhealthy - why should gymnast care? Or anyone else? We cannot restrict thoughts anyway, so pedos think what they think and others ignore it as people ignore every other ad nowadays.

There's no end of roads we can take here and all lead to something as strict than - say, Islam.

But I think that this particular advert is tasteless and dumb.

From personal standpoint, I wouldn't have sex with underage, or even 18-year old -- they are simply too dumb & underdeveloped for my taste and age -- but I DO believe that when I'm 50 or so, I believe I'll think back and blame myself for playing video games at the time I coulda' get some young ass

But attraction? Some 14-year olds can look seriously hot. I don't see anything invalid in this opinion. I'm a man!

[Stupot]

True, a girl doesn't automatically become attractive on her 16th birthday (or whatever the age of consent is in your area), but I think if you even slightly suspect a girl to be underage you should turn your eyes immediately... if only because it can get you into serious trouble otherwise.

I mean, age is just a number... but if a lass looks like an attractive young woman as opposed to a little girl, that's not a license to gawk.  She probably doesn't want you looking at her anyway... and her parents certainly don't... and all the while she is still young enough to be the responsibility of her parents, you should probably respect their wishes, lest you end up with the pitchfork-toting mobs chasing you around the country for the rest of your life.

[LimpingFish]

Like I said, the image is a joke. Not a very good one, or even a clever one, but a joke all the same.

When you start discussing the variations on the age of consent and what does and doesn't constitute sexual attractiveness, you're not actually discussing paedophilia.

Paedophilia is the sexual abuse of children, as much about the abuse of power involved as it is about sexual gratification.

[Calin Leafshade]

Yeah. Paedophilia refers to a sexual desire for *pre-pubescent* children.. i.e someone with whom mating would be biologically pointless. Its an unnatural desire (like rape) based on power.. it has nothing to do with sex really.

Finding a fully developed (i.e ready to mate) 14 year old girl attractive is not paedophilia. There is a word for a *compulsive* desire for adolescents but i cant remember what it is..  phagophilia I think... cant remember, cant be arsed to google.

Many cultures have no problem with sex with adolescents.. Western europe (and the US) have really very high ages of consent in comparison. Biologicallly everything that has reached puberty is fair game. However from a social perspective and a perspective that is likely to keep you sane I suggest sticking with your own basic age bracket.

[Tuomas]

I heard the girl for every man should be half their age +7 years. With that, there should be no problem, just keepp it in mind

[Andail]

I think that equation works best for men between 20-25. Soon reaching 30, I'd definitely consider 22 a bit too young. Even 25, the age of my current girlfriend, seems young at times.

[Dataflashsabot]

Does that mean a centenarian could date a 57 year old? 43 year age difference :o

[monkey0506]

Once two people have reached the age of consent, as long as they are both willing participants, I don't think age really matters..at least as much anyway. Certainly age differences can create drastic differences in a person's point of view on certain things; depending how large the difference is there could be a "generation gap" that would be very relevant. However, one of my best friend's parents are 14 years apart and they've been happily married for well over 20 years now. Despite the fact they both already had children, they had four more together.

I won't say I've never seen them have arguments or disagreements in the 13 or so years I've known them, but despite their differences, they are happy together. To me that's the biggest concern. Like I said, although age can make a significant difference, past the age of consent it does become negligible so long as the two people are happy together.

[SookieSock]

Edit by CalinLeafshade: Posted with girlfriends account. oops

[Calin Leafshade]

Nope, sorry monkey but thats bollocks.

Age of consent is a number... a 16 year old girl is no more suited to a relationship with a 30 year old guy than a 15 year old girl would be.

Granted, once you both become mature and sensible adults its really not an issue but I would say people dont *really* settle into adulthood until their late 20s/early 30s.

People in relationships should be dealing with a similar period in their lives. It would just be weird if you come home from work after just being promoted to regional manager only to have to help your girlfriend with her maths homework.

also.. more than 4 children? are they not aware that we are dealing with overpopulation?

[NsMn]

Finding a fully developed (i.e ready to mate) 14 year old girl attractive is not paedophilia. There is a word for a *compulsive* desire for adolescents but i cant remember what it is..  phagophilia I think...

I can only say that I doubt it's called that (phagein = to eat).

[Calin Leafshade]

Fine, ya made me google it.

hebephilia is the desire for pubescent individuals,
ephebophilia is the desire for older adolescents.

It you're interested teleiophiles are people who have a sexual desire for adults. So feel free to call all your friends teleiophiles.

[monkey0506]

Age of consent is a number that is determined by the government as the age at which a person is physically, mentally, and emotionally (on average of course, noting that this is actually different for every person) mature enough to enter into a sexually active lifestyle if that is their choice.

Whether or not a 16 year old would be better suited to a relationship with a 30 year old than a 15 year old would be would have to take several factors into account that you are not. This would have to be considered not as a generic example, but as a specific instance between two people. If your government decides that a 16 year old is fit to enter into a sexually oriented relationship, then it is entirely her choice whether the person be 16 or 116.

I do agree with you that the "age of maturity" (meaning, "mature and sensible adults") and the age of consent can often be considered as being vastly different. Again though, I still say that this is based entirely on a per-person basis. One girl might be as mature at 16 as another might be at 30. Generally this probably wouldn't be the case, but it is possible.

As for the issue of overpopulation I have never seen any evidence that would suggest that the North American continent (as a whole) is overpopulated. There is plenty of food, water, and other resources to properly accommodate those living here, with room to grow for those who are being born.

If we were living in a country classified as an LDC (of which Haiti is the only one in the Americas) I might view things differently. But the country I'm living in still has room for growth, so saying that we're dealing with overpopulation seems a bit bullocks to me.