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Worth a shot  Trying to convert everyone to AGS is a goal of mine... Err... Not that there is anything wrong with the other engines.

Wow, I actual like this Module!

Good Job.

No, thats ok  , It was just a joke 

LOL Progz...

No, I am not worshiping AGS or CJ. Just gotta admit, for one guy, he did an amazing Job. And he never looks for glory or money. Something rare in people.



PS: I wont get offended anymore guys. You dont have to add [joke] [/joke] lines anymore. If you are joking, just add a smiley face and I will know. Sorry for scaring you guys like that.

I use Trillian, which incorporates ICQ MSN and AIM.

Man CoveredinSludge, I wish you would consider porting one of your old games to the AGS engine. I find that you would really enjoy it.

And AGS is not kinda pretty. Its Freaking GORGEOUS!

When I see missing members, or lack seeing them, I feel worried. Especially if they dont post a goodbye post. Makes me wonder if they are ok and still interested in some of us.

Erica was cool. I miss her contributions to this community.

Oh and Squinky II, dont worry, we appreciate you. We accept you as the official Squinky. Just not the original.

Anyone heard from Tommy mayer recently though?

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Here is Tommy Mayer's engine site" http://www.tomkatgames.com/SFCI1.htm

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Yeah I remember original Squinky, Trapezoid. Brings back a lot of memories. By the way, I loved Cubert Badbone!

But you should atleast try making a small 1 hour adventure in AGS. You obviously have what it takes to make a simple game like that. I guarantee that once you do it, you can never go back. I myself am planning on releasing one of my Simpsons games this month and an updated template. After the events in this thread, it made me think of me over the years and decided that, since I was always asking or saying "gimme gimme gimme", that its my turn to give a little more to the community. I apologize in advance if the game sucks, but I should atleast release something.



Here are some more engines to remember and some links:
Edpack: http://web.archive.org/web/20010201071000/http://edpack.pagina.de/
TROIACS: http://www.geocities.com/troiacs/whatis.html
Maker R2-- Do a search on Masterton.de on archive.org
RoBot: http://web.archive.org/web/20020718214748/robot.mixnmojo.com/

Then I remember some other engines from the creator of Sage Classic, I dont remember his name, Tommy Meyer I think. I am not sure.

I started looking at some of the old members of this board too. Man, whatever happened to Erica Mclane?

Yeah, I used IndyJava. Other than AGS, I think the only promising engines were Maker R2 and EdPack.

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On a side note... I wish to apologize for my Reactions. I guess I was just upset at the way people viewed me. Its not the way I wanted to be viewed. I am sorry for any trouble caused. As far as name calling... It was an emotional reaction of the moment. And I no way meant the Retard to be offensive to anyone outside or inside this community. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me for that. Helm, Andail, and everyone else, I wish to apologize and hope we can rebuild our relationship in this community. I really wish what happened in this thread will not allow anyone here to think negatively or immaturely of me. Thank you all for continuing this topic. And again, I am very sorry for the trouble. It was in now way my intention. I just have a lot going on in my personal life...

Here is my first Quote I would like to point out:

Helm, I Am sorry to have to say this, but to RESPECT CJ, Darth and other Mods and the community. I really want to keep this to PM so that the topic stays in topic. I would kindly ask the mods not to delete or lock this thread as I think this can become an interesting discussion. I am going to keep my issues with Helm in PM from now on.

I asked here to stay in topic. The topic is: "A comparison between AGS the was supposed to be SCRAMM and GLUMOL". Criticizing me is not being in topic. You cant seem to follow that SIMPLE rule, therefore you must be a retard. Just like you Helm, I am just calling it as I see them.

Here is my second quote I would like to point out:

(Note: Once again for all who are defending my point of view... Lets not discuss this any further in this thread. Please either PM me or Helm regarding this situation. Also I would like to express that we are talking this out together in PM and just to make you all understand... Dont jump on Helms back, there were just some misunderstandings. Thank you all again.)

LETS NOT DISCUSS THIS ANY FURTHER IN THIS THREAD.  What dont you understand about that? I am sorry if I am taking personal offense, but now there are other people jumping on my back too for this. This is getting on my nerves. I mean this last quote was the last thing I said regarding this whole issue between me and Helm. Then there were about 9 posts which began getting in topic. Then out of nowhere Andail has to ressurect this topic again. As if he skipped all my requests, skipped all the other things that were said after, and completely went off-topic again. And I tried to stay as calm as possible both in PM and publicly Helm, And it was pretty obvious that your comment bothered me. So why bring it up again? In my opinion, its becouse you would have to be pretty retarded to do that. ONCE AGAIN, just like you Helm, I am calling it as I see it.

Now let me go to the rules of this particular board, since my friggin requests mean diddly squat!

If you want some comments, constructive criticism or similar on elements of your game, like backgrounds, music or character art, please use the Critics lounge - no smoking!

Dont want comments or criticism regarding me, just the topic we are discussing. Although this is more for games, maybe we should apply it in general as well.

- We don't want this place filled with general chat.

Criticizing me and bringing up what you think of me is considered general chat.

Please note, I won't tollerate strong language or abuse

I made a request to not criticize me any further regarding the suggestions matter, and I made it obvious how I felt that Helm brought it up as well. Yet the fact that some people cant seem to listen to this and continue to disregard my feelings on the matter, should be considered abuse.

Now to answer Squinky:

It's probably better not to post when you are angry.

Believe me when I say I am not jumping on the bandwagon (is there even one?) but I do remember you for two things:

1. Posting a lot of feature requests

2. Being really into star wars ( I remember you all dressed up in a star wars outfit)

I'm not saying it's bad, but thats what I associate you with, just like people associate being a sexy mother with me....right? right?

Your right, its not a good idea to post when I am angry. But its like I had enough of this crap when it started with Helm. And it started trailing in the right direction, and then BOOM!, out of nowhere, someone has to start this back up again. Plus, take into consideration my defense. I might have other things on my mind, I dont need people demeaning me and bringing up old traits of mine.

YES YES YES YES, we have all established that, I post a lot of suggestions. FINE! I asked people who thought that to post it, and you did. Thank you. But again, look at the post prior to this one. DID YOU SEE HOW MANY REQUESTS I MADE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS?

AGAIN!, do a search on my profile and look at the numerous OTHER things I posted about. Stop picking out something that was outstanding years ago. Thats the whole point of this argument.

And yes, I am into Star Wars. But there are other things I am into far more than Star Wars. For instance, the transformers. I like the Transformers far more than Star Wars. Oh, and to point out that sometimes what people associate with me is wrong... I never owned any star wars costume, nor any clothing that looked similar to Star Wars clothing or creatures.I never owned a star wars mask and I never owned any replica's of weapons and items. On top of that, I never met any of you people here face-to-face, and I never ever posted a picture of myself on the internet. Therefore, you remembering me as wearing a Star Wars outfit is wrong. Now if you could be wrong about that (something you were pretty sure you remember me for), couldn't you all be wrong about me with the suggestions? I mean I have not posted a long list of suggestions in atleast TWO YEARS.

And no Squinky, there is nothing wrong with being associated with something, if its something good. Helm, in his initial post did not associate it with something good. I dont want to be associated with, "hey this is the guy who posts a bunch of suggestions, so lets jump on everything he does now."

Squinky, please dont take this as me being mad at you. I am just REALLY REALLY frustrated. I mean it took me several hours to make the post I made in this thread, and there are people who just decide to find the faults in it and bring it out, rather just let it be. Its kind of frustrating.

Now back to Helm.

I thought this was cleared up in PMs (remember? the bit where you said "on a far more HUMAN level, I'd like to apologize" and I said "likewise, on a far more HUMAN level, I apologize too"? I guess we're back to being animals...) and you asking CJ to ban me.

Uhm, number one, I didnt ask CJ to ban you. I just reported the situation to him and asked him to make the rules for the forums a bit more clear for a situation like this, so it wouldn't happen again. I said to him if he felt he should ban you, its his decision. And I recommended that you DIDNT REALLY DO ANYTHING THAT MERITS A BAN. Two, we really kind of left things in the air in PM's. Remember? I said lets just forget it becouse it seems like this will never be resolved. So I let it go. I made my last point and even asked you that if you want to make a last point, to go ahead. But we never cleared anything up. We just left it alone. The reason why I included your name before was becouse you were the one got all this started.

I'm gonna point out that I was called a moron and a retard in your last post, whereas I never called you any names. Even poor Andail who expressively said that is not supporting me got called those things.

Uhmm, again, the term Retards and Moron where generalized and not pointed towards you. And, like I said, if you cant see the changes I have made over the years in this (Regarding making fewer suggestions) and only keep associating me with my past, then yes, your moron. I'm sorry, thats the way it is. If you dont want to be a moron, its totally up to you, stop associating the "old me" with the "current me". And yes, if you have to continue to bring my, or other peoples, faults, then your a retard. And Helm, reread your PM's to me. You didn't call me any names, but I did feel you were insinuating some bad things, which is practically the same.

Regarding Andail not supporting you... even though he stated that, in what way was he not? Not supporting you would be just not saying anything at all. If he agreed with you, he supported you, even though he said he didn't. Its like Bill Clinton saying that he did not have sexual relations with ML, when in reality he did.

I have to tell you, Andail's pretty smart. I've met him, he's intelligent and polite and well-spoken. Hardly a retard.

No doubts here, but people are smart in certain things, retarded in others. And he might be a polite and well spoken person, but still, his last reply was not a smart post to make. Thats just the way it is.

And still you don't see me running to any moderators to shut you up.

Your right, but I didn't do anything wrong to begin with. You started it and others continued it. I felt like my topic was invaded by foreign material that shouldn't be here.

I might have thicker skin than you, but you better start reconsidering your attitude. There are ways and ways to deal with what makes you mad, and this is hardly the best one.

Helm, you want me to reconsider my attitude? How did I try to handle this issue initially? I really tried to be polite about it. Read a couple of posts back when some people starting jumping on your case. I defended you. So tell me Helm, what would have been the best way to deal with this? Just shut up, and have you and anyone else who felt like it go off topic? Disregard the work I put into writing the topic post? I really tried to be kind and patient. But then I felt attacked. How would you have handled this differently?

To Nikolas:

First off, I really appreciate the way you intervened in this off-topic debate. It was polite and not-insulting. On top of that, I really appreciate you trying to bring this back on topic. But to address some things you mentioned:

I've got to say this. From the three of you I got a good impression only from Andail, who he knows how much I love/care about. Helm suddently came onto Joseph (for no apparent reason for me who am here only 6-7 months, but do have 600 posts (not bad at all!)) and Joseph politely, honestly politely answered. Then the whole thing backfired to Joseph and now I don't like the both of you.

Most people know me as well for being a good guy. I mean ask the members who have been here a long time. Ask m0ds, ask CJ, ask Darth Mandarb, ask the majority of people. I am a pretty nice, mature person. I have been around 4 or 5 years, or longer (I really cant remember when CJ began his engine). CJ, in all that time, other than my annoying suggestions, have I ever been rude to anyone or caused trouble?

On top of that Nikolas, I am pretty nice guy when you come down and think about it. How much do you appreciate Insta-Game? A lot, correct? It was a nice thing to be done. Even CJ a while back had a freeware package of graphics he allowed us to use. That was nice too. I made a Simpsons Template, which even though means I RIPPED the graphics, it still took a lot of time to do. About 4 years. And I made the template available for everyone to use, so that people wouldn;t have to rip any graphics, or design their own GUI, or program how the rooms connect to eachother. Thats in ADDITION to the full length game I have been making for years. I did it so that everyone in this community could do such a thing.

And your right, it did backfire on me this whole situation. For the hard work I put in that template, all I get remembered for is something I did over 2 years ago. I am remembered as " The guy who made too many suggestions." I would rather be remembered for the contributions I made, "The guy who made the Simpsons Template." Or even "The Veteran who has been around for a long time." Others I wouldn't mind being remembered for : "The guy who made the GUI Tutorials", or "The guy who was always supportive of others games." or "The Italian Guy". Etc..., there are so many things I can be remembered for, why do people have to remember me for an imperfection I had years ago? Why couldn't Helm, or Andail, and even Squinky (Not that I am particularly mad at Squinky) just remember those things? Its like a selective memory.

Unfortunately I didn't have the chance to meet Joseph more, but from what it seems he must be also a great guy!

I appreciate you not being close-minded on me based on my stressful situation.

And joseph, I would be pissed also, but then again, when I critisise something I do it with a good heart, open mind and a will to help. This is what you did (from what I can understand), in all your suggestions. Nothing wrong with that really!

And I have also done that in other situations, but I should be grateful that your saying this much after my last explosion. But I appreciate it. Thanks.

The only way Helms posts could bother you would be if you felt kinda guilty yourself. After all you, yourself hand picked 12 threads on which you came close to suggesting (or \ctually di suggest). Why is this wrong? Why is it bad?

I dont feel guilty, but remember what I just mentioned to you above? I dont want to be remembered for that when I did other good things. I dont want to be criticized by someone for doing something wrong when I did not do anything wrong? You catch my drift?

I can't stand seeing a debate and not entering, honestly. Even if it is none of my buisness, it is that I feel that I can help, and budge in! hehe!

Sometimes, its better not to start the debate at all. And, you should never feel that you should enter a debate. Reason: Why stopped the debate, then Andail started it up again, and now look what happened. Better to not enter a debate then.

Try not to post here for a couple of days. Relax and see what happens.

I understand what your trying to do, but, this was my topic that I started. And the criticism was directed at me. Just like you feel that when you see a debate, you should enter it, I feel that when I see someone saying something about me, I should defend it.

I feel that this Topic will not gather any interest anymore. Right now, I would appreciate CJ to make a reply about all this. I am sorry for being like this, but now I would like to see what he has to say about all this. He will most likely lock this as well, but at this point I lost all interest.

Ok, this is the ABSOLUTE LAST POST I will make in regards to this situation regarding my suggestions and Helm and Andails observation. Before we continue with this topic, I want everyone who gives a rats behind to please post here NOW and get it all out of your damn systems. You all have one day, after that, lets stay on THE TOPIC OF MY THREAD.

Helm, Andail, you can make your friggin observations, but from now on, keep them to yourself.  I would also like to ask any AGSer who is in favor of me in this discussion to please keep calling the following people by this name: "Those guys who have to flame and stick their unimportant observations which tick people off." Here is that list:

Helm
Andail
And anyone else who contributes to this debate. Maybe CJ can make it a permanent Avatar to you people so that everyone could see.

By the way, Here are links that date back to March 2004, almost two years ago. These are all my threads which are CLOSE to being suggestions. You will notice that the title you are all giving me no longer fits. Here are my past suggestion posts, feel free to do your own search:

http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=13784.msg167393;topicseen#msg167393
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=15818.msg196704;topicseen#msg196704
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=23192.msg286105;topicseen#msg286105
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=22406.msg274126;topicseen#msg274126
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=23494.msg290946;topicseen#msg290946
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=13491.msg162124;topicseen#msg162124
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=12251.msg146151;topicseen#msg146151
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=20426.msg249492;topicseen#msg249492
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=23107.msg285151;topicseen#msg285151
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=21531.msg263155;topicseen#msg263155
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=14143.msg172638;topicseen#msg172638
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=23091.msg284706;topicseen#msg284706

I am sorry to all those who have defended me, to CJ, to m0ds, and to all the others who have stuck on topic. But this is starting to piss me off. I did not start this damn friggin topic, just so that CJ can look at my wishlist. I really didn't even think CJ would care about this post. You know people, I wanted to have a good discussion on this, but I have a feeling this is heading towards a locked thread. And its sad becouse I took a lot of time to write the post and do my research on the projects(even if it is imperfect). And in reality, the post was made to Praise CJ for his hard and generous work.

But thats it! Everytime I post anything that is half-decent, I get harassed! You morons who keep thinking of me as only the guy who makes suggestions, should do a search on my posts. Then you will notice that that I dont only make suggestions.

Once again, I am sorry for any foul language used in this post, and for just being so pissed off at this moment, but some retards need to turn something good into something evil just becouse they all have no lives and nothing better to do. CJ, I am especially sorry to you for this. I dont want your boards to be a place of trouble. But I really had it now.

No, its a good point. I never really called myself an 3d artist, even though I use Blender to do other artwork. But either way, easy or not, cheating or not, I can still provide some 3d characters 

Well, that depends. Poser can do some amazing things. Plus it still is helpful, I mean, how many people own Poser?

Poser really isn't that bad. I use Poser 6 now. Its really much simpler to use. You just download Hair and clothing. You can change colors and designs. You attach the stuff to the body.

You edit the face in almost every possible way until you get the desired look. You edit the hair style and length. You attach any other foreign objects.

You use the preset poses to simulate walking and other things and then BOOM! you extract it to JPG or  BMP.

Simple, really.

LOL, lets hope that never happens! Someone put out a gag Topic on how you were killed a while back. I really think my heart stopped for a second. I instantly became depressed. Then when I read the topic, I felt much anger.

I dont care what Agast, Sludge, Wintermute, or MAD has or what SCRAMM or GLUMOL promised, CJ, your still the King!!!! LEC and Sierra should have hired you.

Thats what they said about my Zak McKracken project

LOL, you still have those images? Would be curious to see them. What game were you planning on making in SCRAMM?



(Note: Once again for all who are defending my point of view... Lets not discuss this any further in this thread. Please either PM me or Helm regarding this situation. Also I would like to express that we are talking this out together in PM and just to make you all understand... Dont jump on Helms back, there were just some misunderstandings. Thank you all again.)

Helm, I Am sorry to have to say this, but to RESPECT CJ, Darth and other Mods and the community. I really want to keep this to PM so that the topic stays in topic. I would kindly ask the mods not to delete or lock this thread as I think this can become an interesting discussion. I am going to keep my issues with Helm in PM from now on.

To the rest of you reading this, I apologize if I did say anything stupid or offensive, or if I did give the wrong idea to most of you. That was not my intention, nor was it my intention to seem or be rude to or even twist Helms words around. I really hope me and Helm can get our issues straightened out in private messaging.

Thank you all for the patience you are having with us.

Please continue on topic.

Unfortunatly, Ionias has made the game Abandonware. Goto www.the-underdogs.org to download. I hope I am not breaking any forum rules here by saying this. I just read them and I dont remember seeing it in there. So sorry if I did break them.

Hey Helm, I dont normally respond this way, but to be quite honest, I dont like your tone.  Even if it is text that I am reading, you really sounded accusing. So to address your comments here are my following replies. Whether you believe me or not or agree with what I am about to say, unless you have something positive to contribute to this thread, please do not continue to post replies. Thank you. Here are my replies.

Regarding you having been here for years... Yeah its true, you have been here for years. And not wanting to turn this into a debate of who has been here longer, I think Mods and CJ can both confirm that I have been here in this community longer than you have. If this answer does not satisfy you, goto archive.org and do a search over the years.

And your right, for as many years as I have been here I have always given lists and lists and lists of suggestions. In fact, if you read the previous replies in this thread, I said that. But I would prefer for you to do a search on when the last time I posted a list of suggestions was. The last few months(Years maybe) I have given smaller and smaller suggestions. And even if I had given tons of suggestions, you still have no right to demand to see my work. If CJ wishes to question my suggestion, its his, and only his decision and right to do so. In fact, I improved so much that CJ even granted me priviliges to moderate the Bug Tracker.  As far what I stated in this thread, they were not suggestions. It was more of a wishlist. Suggestions are something for CJ to work towards. Wishlist is something I would like but have to realize that we may never see. So please dont accuse me of suggesting something to Chris in this thread.

Joseph, show me your 3d character mesh that you intend to bring into the 3d-supporting ags of the future. Show me your backgrounds that require built in paralax scrolling. Show me a background you've made at 1024x768 that benefits from the res.

Like I said, I dont have to show you anything.  But since I dont want you to reply in a rude way again, Look at my icons under my screenname. You will notice I offer some basic help with characters done in 3d. So yes, I do 3d art. Which means I would have 3d characters. Also, I was working on a 3d transformers game and TFQ, so yeah I do a little 3d, not really impressive, but I still do it.

As far as the res, when I scan images, thats the size it comes out in. And everytime I resize a scan to be smaller, it turns out to be like crap. On top of that, I dont have any paralax scrolling images, fine you got me there. But sometimes I really would like you to understand my giving suggestions too. Sometimes its not just for me. I know that people have told me that if AGS supported so and so feature, they would use it. So in a sense, more features also help others to be encouraged to make games. Plus if you notice some of the suggestions that I made the past have been implemented, and tons of people have used the features to make their games. For one instance, the plugins feature was a request I made a while ago. And from what I remember it started a good thread which eventually lead CJ to implement it. And people used it.

Yet, as far as I can tell, you've never made a game or demo or something in AGS, correct?

You were correct when you stated you might be wrong. Here have been the following things I have worked on in AGS:

*I had the second official Zak McKracken Sequel going on. I did try and make the game. I had a demo which I never released. It had only two rooms with some concept art as backgrounds and a 1 frame Zak character. I had dropped this becouse other projects were advancing further than I was.

*I was involved in "The new adventures of Zak McKracken".
*I was also involved in the Sam N Max Sequel "The Gilbert Case" in which the game had a demo. But the project leader had lost contact with me.
*I was involved in the "Big Project" a few of us were working on a few years ago. This got dissolved becouse of a lack of interest. I always wanted to get this started again, but figured nobody cared.
*I was involved in "Demo Quest" a few years ago. Of course, becouse of time restraints and other real life issues, I had dissappeared from the project. This was my fault, and I had felt bad for letting the team down.
*A few years back, I also had some tutorials on how to make your own GUI's in the style of LEC games. These tutorials became obsolete with the new scripting engine and other features which made making those GUI's easier.
*And here is my big project that I have been working on for years: http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/games.php?action=detail&id=546
It is a game template, but you can consider it a demo as well. There are like 40 rooms and 9 characters in that template as well as a complete custom GUI. A lot of work. There are certain features I would like in the game, so in order to complete the game the way I had in mind, I had to (And probably still will) suggest features to Chris.

Now Helm, I think (in this thread anyway) we got off to the wrong foot, me and you.  As per Forum rules and respect to CJ, the mods and others, lets try and be peaceable. You know, I was planning on asking you to work on a game with you. I always felt you were talented as far as art goes and adventure games in general. If you are still interested, please PM me and we can talk.

But to the rest of you, CJ, the mods... Sorry if I seemed rude in my reply. Please, lets continue to stick to the topic of discussion here.

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Yeah, I am surprised noone has heard of those two projects. They were like legend, even without a release.

To Scummbuddy: Thanks for the defense, but for future, just so the moderators dont need to be deleting and modifying posts, just PM the user any thoughts you may have. But thanks for your defense. And yes, you have helped in the Simpsons game and I am very grateful for thats. I would like to publicly thank you for that.

And yeah, I do remember that thread. In fact, I think the same person did the same thing to me here. CJ did a comparison of IP's and I cant remember exactly the name of the guy who posted that. I think it was Jeremy something...

Like I said before, good ol' times.

Wow, I am still surprised you never heard of Glumol or SCRAMM.

Oh and regarding 2d games, such as Mario games etc... I was a big fan of them. But as I got older, they interested me less and less. For adventure games, Clik n Play just doesnt do it for me.

Whats new? I hope you have checked out all the progress AGS has made since 2003. We even have a Linux and Mac version of AGS.