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Tootsie?

Nope, and I'll give you a hint, it's not sci-fi. It's a very bad drama.

Tron: The Legacy?

They are giving him (her?) something "a little bit" stronger than aspirins. Maybe it's not a surgery, but...

3-5 years appears (at least to me) to be way too young to take that kind of decision. Maybe I'm not a specialist, but, are you one?

Which is why she will, closer to the time, be given hormones to delay puberty until she is old enough and adjusted enough to decide if she wants to go through with it or begin to transition. That is point of the decision.

Surely you didn't think they were giving gender-specific hormones that, to my knowledge, don't even exist in the body in any significant quantity until puberty has begun to a four year old?


And yeah, she tried to cut off her penis while crying from the story I read. That's a bit more intense than wanting to be a robot in passing.

Seriously...Are you kidding me?? Did you at least  read what I wrote?

And yeah, she tried to cut off her penis while crying from the story I read. That's a bit more intense than wanting to be a robot in passing.

That makes me think it might be a good idea to keep children in the dark about the other sex's genitalia until a certain age.

Now that you mention it...  

We are here to share thoughts, not to determine the fate of anyone.

And yet all I've heard in condemnation towards the parents for endorsing their child's choice and encouraging her to be who she wants to be. But no, if a child knows the particularities of their sex prior to age 13 it is obviously their parents fault. If a child is so distraught by their body that they try to mutliate their own genitalia it is obviously just a phase they'll grow out of, like when you were four and wanted to be Spiderman. Except for the part where you try and cut off a part of your own body from the anguish you feel...

If that's all you've heard from me, then clearly you haven't been paying attention at all

Still, the opinions on this forum don't determine the fate of anyone...

By the way, Did he (she?) tried to mutilate his (her?) own genitalia??

They're not forcing the kid into surgery. They're not forcing the kid to act in any way at all, they're just letting the kid act how she wants to in a respectful manner rather than letting it be something that the kid would feel ashamed of.

But no, clearly they are the bad guys. Not the people who think that the poor kid should be forced to live as a boy until she's "old enough".

They are giving him (her?) something "a little bit" stronger than aspirins. Maybe it's not a surgery, but...

3-5 years appears (at least to me) to be way too young to take that kind of decision. Maybe I'm not a specialist, but, are you one?

Congrats Snarky.

Last person to have a thread locked by Snarky is a rotten egg. *starts "Atheists are Homosexual" thread*

Maybe I'll try a thread called "All AGS users are losers" 

Weird... Electricity?

Horserunner?

My dream of Jeannie?

Which is why these decisions should be made by the families and psychologists involved, rather than opinionated people on the internet like us.

We are here to share thoughts, not to determine the fate of anyone. And you don't know if some of that "opinionated people on the internet" can be facing the same situation, do you?

By the way, if you think that way, that doesn't mean that your against this kind of forums?

I was being a tad flippant, but the US is a very unique country. It's not right to think of it as an offshoot of the UK. The big question is how a country with the world's most progressive, enlightened, humanistic constitution turned into... well America.

Capitalism, and by extension, corporate greed and the corruption of absolutely everything! 

I kinda agree with that (no joking)

I don't think this makes sense. Can an old man (seated or otherwise) look back at his childhood, when he didn't have gender identity disorder and give these kids advice?

That IS the point, because maybe some of these kids don't have GID neither... 

Yeah, but the UK kicked ass during the enlightenment. I mean arse. I mean... sorry.

Maybe, but, the US (at least the original 13 states) was an UK colony, so... Why Spain is now more gay friendly than the US, even after 4 decades of Franco (and still now, there are very powerful pro-Franco politicians)? 

To that, the best I can figure is that some cultures are more receptive to change and new ideas than others. It's hardly surprising to see some of the countries that were most involved with the Enlightenment period and the Renaissance to be the ones most supportive of social change.

Well, Spain was more involved with the Renaissance period than the UK, but we can see the differences. And LatinAmerica is the "heir" of Spain (but very influenced by the US), and we can see how anti-gay is the society here, so... I don't really get why the world is how it is 

@DeadSuperHero

Don't you think that one thing it's what an adult could think about it's own childhood different from what a child could think about him/her as a grown up?

I'm not saying that you don't have a point (a very strong one), but I believe (yes, it's a belief) that it's better to wait a little longer to let a child to take such an important choice.

Do I think that the parents of that boy (girl?) are bad people? No way. I believe they are loving, even brave and really interested in their son's (daughter's?) happiness, but I can't say that their choice was the best (as I really hope it is)

You try living in a country that games a two-party system, one of which parties is highly conservative and sometimes uses the worst contexts of their own religion to shape their party policies, and by extension, legal legislation. That isn't to say that there isn't social progress, but just take a look at some of the homophobes running for president this year (Santorum, Perry, Bachmann, etc)

It's an awful problem.

Already did that...

And I have been in Europe (as turist, not living there), but still I don't really get why it's so different. In Spain, to name one country with a relatively new democracy after a fascist regime, there is a LGBT community far more "free" than the US LGBT community. 

That's beside the point, what I'm talking about was society's perception and support for such things in that era, simply on the pretense that so many other people viewed it the same way and took little time to consider the implications. You can draw a lot of parallels to the LGBT community back from the 70's onwards, and the set of social challenges and inequalities they still have to deal with now.

That's exactly the point: Europe it's way "more advanced" than the US, and I think that the gap is growing. One thing that I'm trying to understand it's why the US have a society with such perception of the LGBT community (and other things, like segregation).

It's not unlike the seperatism we saw in the US, pre-Civil Rights Movement. All kinds of people were trying to find ways to throw down and support segregation, and the religious arguments against interracial marriage were appalling.

Well, I don't think that segregation is something that doesn't exist in the US. Maybe it's less evident, but still...

Bigotry, in general, is a stupid concept. It is very much an indulgence in this perverse idea that because people are different from one another, one group must surely be better than another. People set up walls, and really, having some kind of small subculture as a scapegoat is a pretty efficient way to keep the good old "Groupthink" going.

It's a form of control, and that form says "Think and act like me, or you're worthless."

People have died because of this way of thinking. If you look at the homicide rate against gay and transgender people, it's through the roof. Same with the suicide rates of both demographics. Some groups of people love to bully those that are misunderstood and mislabeled. It's treated like a disease.

Tell me something... Who do you "blame" for this situation? How do you think it can be changed?

Dragon Ball!!

I mean I can understand that everyone expects to have some quiet and privacy, but other than that people's behavior shouldn't be restrained.

I don't like how some people behave in public, no matter if they`re straight or not. There must be some limits.

Well, I'm planning to buy a console  I'm very interested in a xbx 360 with kinect, but I would like to hear your impressions