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Show posts MenuQuote from: blackman890 on Wed 29/09/2004 19:09:06It is a crime, called "fraud". In the UK, under-18s are not extended any kind of credit (and that includes things that might not seem as credit, such as switch cards that give you 3 days of credit, and paying for phone calls AFTER you make them... I know, I tried to get a BT phone line when I was a 17-year-old student) and the reason is that under-18s as minors are not deemed capable to make an informed decision about their ability to pay back a debt and thus any debts against them are NOT ENFORCABLE. So obviouslt, any lender would be
but i am just going to lie to buy things, thats not a crime
I really need do get my pass, i mean it is not a crime, and if it is, since when???
also i think you have to be 18 because when you get this pass, you can sell things, so i think thats why you need to be 18, if it is so, then lying about your age to buy one thing, will not be a crime
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Wed 29/09/2004 17:35:36Sorry to stay offtopic, but I think that in this case, actually blackman was correct to mention it, becuase these problems are actually often invisible to the one who posts them due to their cache, cookies, etc. However, if you are a person who knows how to solve the problem (which he wasn't) then you should of course try and be helpful and post a solution as well as the problem...
I think what Farlander was trying to say was that there's really no point in posting a message that says, "Image Hosted by Tripod!", or "Big red Xs".
If you can't see the images, just wait awhile. The author of the thread will (most likely) take steps to fix the problem.
Quote from: blackman890 on Wed 29/09/2004 17:24:12Is it illegal for under-16s to buy things in your country? And even if it is, does that mean its then OK to steal instead? When I was your age and I wanted to buy something mail order, I went to the post office and got a postal order for the amount... or asked my parents to get it for me after I gavce them the money.Quote from: SSH on Wed 29/09/2004 16:41:22i can't buy one because i'm 15 but what in the world is the second one?
Try here or here??
Quote from: blackman890 on Wed 29/09/2004 16:05:13Try here or here
i am looking for
Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade
for my dos computer
Quote from: QuantumRich on Tue 28/09/2004 15:39:04Because I don't agree with them one iota?
SSH, instead of criticizing my ideas, why not try amending/changing them?
QuoteIn which case, for the purposes of welfare, they'll just claimed they were raped but don't want to prosecute.
We'll add an exception for rape
QuoteHow about instead, if there are two parents, then at least one must have a full time job.So if the mother looks after the kids and then the father is made redundant through no fault of his own then they dont get any help?
QuoteSo the poor newborn baby has to suffer because the parents were silly?
As for already having more than one childre, they can apply for, say, limited welfare. I mean, if you can't limit yourself on how many kids you have and start reproducing like rabbits, and never prepared for it, then why should they get the same welfare treatment as people with one or two kids that need the help?
QuoteOh, well thats alright then :
Why would it be unfar to devout Catholics, etc.? Just don't have sex if you can't have more children.
QuoteOr maybe due to the fact that "natural" family palnning methods can have a best-case 2% chance per year of conception if done perfectly (which is about the same as the Pill) and even if done badly sometimes gives about 15% per year chance.
This is why most devout Catholics don't have 25 kids.
QuoteSo reward people who would murder unborn children? I thoguht you wanted parents who were good parents?
If the person has a moral objection to abortion, then they can have the kid, but either (1) be eligible for limited welfare, or (2) be disqualified. If you can't afford kids, don't have them. People should learn that.
QuoteSo you should penalise people whose parents have both died young?
If the parents don't have some trusted relative, then they should prepare before having children.
Quote"Tend to"? Which statistical study is this assumption based on? Anyway, doesn't foreplay count?
That's the thing with having a family. People tend to start them without ANY preparation whatsoever.
QuoteThat's kind of what my wife and me do at the moment and it means that we nearly never see each other. In a marriage that wasn't so strong, it could destroy the relationship which would be REALLY good for the kids.
One parent could work the nightshift if need be. But there are ways to do it.
Quote from: Kinoko on Tue 28/09/2004 16:12:44What if a murdered killed someone out of revenge for them having hurt their child and got away with it (e.g. A Time To Kill movie).. would they then not be allowed to have kids? And what if a conviction was overturned? Medical technology can't guarantee that sterilisations are reversible, and they aren't 100% reliable, either. And that's before we even get into the whole punishment versus reform argument.
Agreed in some circumstances, but there ARE circumstances where a persons previous behavious in other areas indicates they definitely would not make good parents, or at least are at great risk of not being a good parents. I totally agree with rapists/murderers/child abusers never being allowed to have children. Not matter how reformed, the risk is too great and when you've done something as bad as that, you lose your rights in this regard for life.
QuoteBut since its impossible to measure and oh so very subjective, should it become law anywhere? I argree that there's some pretty irresponsible people around, but you just can't legislate for this kind of thing. And the whole idea stinks of the slippery slope to Eugenics.
There are some people you can just speak to and know that aren't ready for parenting. They just give off "stupidity" and "irresponsibility", and you -know-. It's a vibe... hard to measure, but in this case it's not that people should be made sterile. Just that I don't think they should have kids until they've grown up and become better people.
Quote from: QuantumRich on Tue 28/09/2004 14:43:39Despite the fact that this may be worse for the children, or may be more expensive than any wage they can earn? Surely part of the point of all this stuff was that we should do what is best for the kids?
I've had many ideas for welfare, on restricting it.
The recipient(s) MUSt be employed full time and hire a babysitter/daycare center if they need to.
QuoteIsn't this kind of unfair to (a) Devout Catholics or other religions that prohibit contraception and thus violating some constitutional amendment or other (b) People who have already had lots of kids, find themselves unexpcetedly out of work through no fault of their own and are trying to restart their lives (c) those extra kids, who are now going to suffer because of your rule? (d) women who have been raped but have a moral objection to abortion (e) when it comes to fathers, would children that you act like a father too (i.e. stepchildren) count? If they did count, does that mean the biological father then doesn't count them? Does a couple get counted as a pair or separately? Wouldn't it discourage adoption, which is generally far better for the kids than care homes?
There should be a maximum child requirement, any birth or adoption over that number immediately disqualifies them for welfare.
Quote from: Kinoko on Tue 28/09/2004 15:17:11
I'm not talking about a parent who accidentally lets their kid scrape a knee, or a parent who has a shoplifting record from the age of 15, or a mother who can't say who the father is. We ALL know there ARE parents out there who just should not have ever gotten pregnant and don't under any circumstances deserve the right to raise a child. Children aren't toys, we all know that. A parent's responsibility is to raise another human being as well as that child needs to be raised. I can't say "To the best of their ability" because some parents' best isn't near good enough.
I'd LOVE the right to take people's children away from them when I saw them being raised by what I consider to be bad parents. However, what we want to do or what we feel people deserve isn't the goal, it's a world where ALL children are raised well, lead happy, healthy lives and ALL have chances in life.
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Quote from: Mephistophilis on Sun 26/09/2004 22:47:09
Dibbs on the 'Angry Scotsman Guild'! where me and my Scottish bretheren shall plot the downfall of you all BWAHAH-- I mean colaborate for some kick ass games!
I think it would be a pretty good idea, allowing for a kind of localised critics/production crew, and it would probably ease tension in asking people for help on projects.
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