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The AGS camera follows a character marked as the player character.

However, you can slightly get around it, check this thread for one way to do it.

~Trent

Now, tell me, what science do you propose we use to disprove there is no god?

Where's Dualnames to quote Hitchhiker's Guide for us? lol

~Trent
[Edit]: Dang, shouldn't have double posted this one... Sorry mods!!

space boy, that's not a contradiction. It falls in with the 'argument' of science vs religion. It's stupid, because they in fact coincide. God used science to create the world, universe, and man. God has to follow the laws of nature (atoms, energy, etc).

This will probably spawn more flames and discussion....

~Trent

To follow-up:

Let's please not talk about the separation of church and state. That topic just completely annoys me.


On believing in 'fake things', I think that the difference is that Spiderman is a creation of Stan Lee and he's proved and testified so. Same with Lucas and Star Wars, the guy that made up Big Foot, the chicks that made up ghosts (side note--I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe in spirits), and the apparently high dude that made up Smurfs.
If you can ask the guys that 'made up' religion and they told you it's not true, then that'd be proof. Unfortunately that's not possible. (again, not a great argument, and I recognize that)

~Trent

[very simplified]

Alright, let's roll.  


1) Even though I said I believe in the Big Bang theory (parts of it), I do not believe in evolution from monkeys. God made man in his own image (from the book of Genesis). As for the evidence of neanderthal bones, I have an interesting point that I'll make later.

2) In somethings you could call me a literalistic, but in others I am not. It depends on the issue. That's a lame excuse, but true.

3) One of the basis of any religion is faith. You believe in things you don't have concrete proof of, which shows your faith. Again, not the most concrete argument, but essential nonetheless.

4) God's Maker: This actually gets even more interesting once you throw a bit of LDS belief into the mix. A very simplified version is that we 1) lived with God as spirits, 2) got bodies and came to earth, 3) will die and go to one of 3 kingdoms, 4) if in the highest kingdom, you will become a god yourself (with your wife as a goddess) where you can repeat the cycle. Also know that it is taught elsewhere that God and Jesus has been through the trials we go through.
These together pose the abstract (and most-likely incorrect) question/assumption, "If we can become Gods, and God was once a human, then who was God's God? And who was his God?" and so forth.

I dont' tell you that to confuse you. As for the answer, I don't know and probably never will in this life. What I do know is that our perception is based off this life. God is eternal, whereas this life is temporal. Basically, God (and his God's, and our spirits) have existed forever.
Yet again, doesn't make complete sense and doesn't have concrete evidence, but that's were faith comes in.  

Also, I can talk about the Holy Ghost who helps in addition of faith, but that will come later.


~Trent
PS-Obviously this is just a discussion with Nacho and others. For anyone ACTUALLY interested in the beliefs of the LDS Church, check out www.mormon.org which explains basic beliefs and answers questions you may have.
PSS-Lol, 9 replies in the time it took to write this one.

You know, if you believe God managed to make the whole universe and create Adam, why would he have trouble doing it in 6 days or making Eve from a rib? Not that I'm trying to say that is what happened, but the Christian God is supposed to be omnipotent. He can do anything. So maybe he did make the world in 6 days, or 6 aeons or 6 billion years: how does this affect my day-to-day faith? Not at all.

As for Adam and Eve, completely agree. He is omnipotent. I believe that it wouldn't be written in that way if it wasn't meant to be symbolic. It's also possible that it's both symbolic and literally.

However, even though God is omnipotent, the only power he doesn't have and can't have is to control time. If he could, there'd be no point to life (as we believe, life is to be a test for the next life, but its more complex than that) because we could simply reverse time or such and undo mistakes. This also means that God can't fast forward time, and I believe that he would've have used the laws of nature and let the earth create itself naturally. At the same he is omniscient, so he could've known how to make it exactly.

I also agree with your points in comment previous.

~Trent

Just read through your post Nacho, but I will be taking a short break from the computer. I'll be back soon to reply.
~Trent

Church taking money

The LDS Church deals with tithes differently than most, and I hope you can respect our view. Bishops and other church leaders have other jobs. This means that they tithes aren't going towards simply supporting them and their way of life (exception to this is LDS Missionaries, which I'll get to soon). Tithes go to services such as helping the poor and needy, building temples and meetinghouses, supporting missionaries, Humanitarian Aid (we were one of the first organizations in New Orleans after Katrina), and other uses.
Ad for supporting missionaries, yes, those funds get used to support the lives of missionaries. However, they aren't just living normal lives like anyone else, they are in the service of God and the Church and have strict rules to follow. The money goes towards their food and living expenses, not entertainment or anything like that. Also, the missionary himself (and their family, if applicable) pays for a good chunk of the expenses (my mother sends a check off each month to support my currently serving brother).

In short, giving up your human rights just because someone else tells you to do so is in my opinion stupid.

People have free agency, you don't have to do anything anyone else tells you.

~Trent

[I will be as civil as I can, and I ask for the same courtesy in return. (and I'll admit that my previous comment wasn't completely civil, so I apologize Nacho)]

Let me say that I am a Latter-Day Saint, or more commonly known as a Mormon. Which means the views I part are probably not the most common Christian belief, but fairly close (besides, each person is allowed to interpret scripture to their own understanding--but don't try to misquote me on that). Also know that I have my own personal beliefs mixed in with the overall religious ones, so I will try to differentiate the two.

I will be as civil as I can, and I ask for the same courtesy in return. (and I'll admit that my previous comment wasn't completely civil, so I apologize Nacho)

First off, one basic Mormon belief is that the bible is not completely translated correctly. Whereas the Book of Mormon (another book of our faith) we believe is translated completely corrected by our founding Prophet.

Second, there is a lot of symbolism and a lot of literallism. If you ask about them, I'll explain my beliefs about each.

And so:

Earth? 6,000 years old?

I personally believe in the Big Bang theory of the creation of the earth. 6,000 years is the age of man, not the planet he lives on.

Earth made in 6 days

I learned that the original bible uses a word that doesn't always mean 'day', and in this case it should mean 'time period'. The first day could've been 8 minutes and the second 24 billion years.

Eve made from Adam's rib

How God made man, I'm not sure exactly. But this statement is not literal. It is symbolic of Eve being equal to Adam. If she was 'made' of something from his head, it would put her above Adam. Likewise with his feet and being below. This simply shows that man and woman are equals.


Those are a few from this and the previous thread. Any others that I can answer?

~Trent

Post-apocalyptic is always cool
And yes, even though it conflicts a bit with my personal beliefs (Mormon) I'd totally play that based on the intro.


~Trent

I believe Babar already asked what Dudeface Thingman is asking.


~Trent

Can you add watermarks in your program and then use a PDF Printer driver? Of those, I use PrimoPDF (but I never tried out too many)

~Trent
[Edit]: Primo is made by Nitro. Also, just saw that you want to embed files... so Primo isn't what you want.

you did so in a thread that was not started with the intention of discussing religious belief as a whole.

Which is why I didn't bother to read more than the gist of what you only to simply understand the replying comments. But now that you've started your own thread, continue on.

I will add, that I feel that if you say that ones beliefs are stupid, it translates to saying that they are stupid. Believing is an act of the mind and heart (wow, that sounded super cheesy)

~Trent

Why don't we make an Oregon Trail clone of the Jewish Exodus?

~Trent

so in theory it should make AGS run a bit faster. Also, it's properly supported and easier to work with.

Hurrah! Hurray!

If anyone still wants their games to run on Win98, then stick with AGS 3.1 or a lower version.

Which would be fine, cause there are still a number of people sticking to 2.72 because of the interaction editor... So people are willing to keep features that they want.


~Trent

Yes it is because it helps with coordination and pencil use, and to example what Ghost said, it is not my forte--making me better with programs like Photoshop.

Also, if you draw your own character you can post it in the Critic's Lounge and get tips on how to improve and continue discussion like this. Whereas this thread will be locked soon because it's in the wrong place.

~Trent

I'm with SSH!

I think Christian Games (or heck*, any genre/theme of games) can appeal to whatever person if done correctly. I'd play it.

~Trent
*No pun intended

Excellent, playing with it right now. 2 things that I changed:

Added

 if (data==gconsole.ID) return;

to 90 and 94/95. Also added

 if (keycode==32) return;

to line 230/232. These both prevent 'useless' additions to the listbox, especially for the mouse click. It was broken before cause I couldn't scroll at all (kept adding new entries).

~Trent

Actually, I would really like the other operators implemented. There's no meaning to the numbering, so it's not a 'storm' that I'm cooking up about a tiny issue.

As for the manual, isn't it about teaching someone how to script? Yes, I know that they work and I know quite of scripting because I've used other languages, but what about others that might not know? And when they're 'in the manual' it's the scripting tutorial, but I skipped that because I already knew about all of those topics. I'm talking about the Operators entry.

~Trent

seven brides for seven brothers

Hahahahahha, this had me cracking up for a while. Jeez I love being a thespian.


~Trent

Time to go steal some of Nikolas's music.....


~Trent