AGS AWARDS 2009 [read the log of the ceremony!]

[Snarky]

I think the reason why best innovation is jury-picked is that it's hard to vote for. "Innovation" is a lot harder to define than something like "good graphics," which you know when you see it. It usually refers to something specific, not just an overall impression, and may be so subtle that you overlook it if you're not paying special attention.

That means you have to think pretty carefully about the games, how they're constructed, whether that's innovative, and how much that innovation contributes to the quality of the game. Each person will think of different things, and probably forget some major innovative aspects of other games. The votes could be all over the place, and just from each vote you can't really tell what the reasoning was. So merely adding up the numbers of votes for each game isn't enough.

It's the kind of thing you really have to discuss among a group of people, to try to make sure that you don't forget anything major, and so you can evaluate the arguments for the different candidates. Hence the way it is now. It also means that when the award is handed out, the jury can explain their reasoning.

That's just my interpretation, though. I don't actually remember if that's why the system was made the way it is.

[SSH]

That's pretty much it, Snarky. Maybe next year if bici isn't too demoralized by passive-aggressive numpties then he can see what he thinks works or doesn't work from this year and make next year's awards so awesome that even idiots fall on their knees and idolise him. Or something like that. I think that given the short notice and lack of help from the previous administrator 8) then bici has done an awesome job.

[bicilotti]

That's pretty much it, Snarky. Maybe next year if bici isn't too demoralized by passive-aggressive numpties then he can see what he thinks works or doesn't work from this year and make next year's awards so awesome that even idiots fall on their knees and idolise him. Or something like that. I think that given the short notice and lack of help from the previous administrator 8) then bici has done an awesome job.

Thanks thanks thanks, I think my time as an attention whore is over now

Helme:

I'm thankful for bicis effort and curious about the results of the voting.
But I want to dig up a question, that hasn't been answered yet (or I missed it)

I wonder why the users can't choose the best innovation?

It was always committee decided and I preferred to change nothing this edition, so to test the water before any "reform" of the awards. If there's a general consensus towards user's choice I'll gladly do it in the 2010 edition (or whoever's the host).

Which wasn't quite an answer, so again . I somewhat agree with you Helme, but Snarky made very strong points, especially about the committee members sharing the reasoning between each other.
Sharing opinions and suggestions on how improve this is always healty, and you all are more than welcomed to do so.

[Chicky]

Don't get this the wrong way or anything Goldfish, but as I said on another part of the forums, you do give a feel you're a little aggressive/hostile. It would be wise to use smileys (but don't overdo it), to set the mood of your sentences.

I think he IS being hostile.. I'm not usually a confrontational person but frankly he can take a long walk off a short pier...

Agreed. I gotta say that i don't like Goldfish, i thought i was the only one who noticed the arrogant aggressive tone to his posts, coined with trying to type every word in the english dictionary before getting his point across. There's no need for ego's in AGS, the point of the forum is to make everyone feel equal. Also, i can't help but feel that his old skinhead avatar made his persona feel that much more aggressive.

Goldfish, i suggest taking a more understanding approach to your posts. Not everyone is as computer-literate as you!

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Back to topic, i didn't have time to play all the nominees this year; maybe increase the time next year?

[abstauber]

... passive-aggressive numpties...

"Art people" are always somewhat special, I even start to believe that it's a psychological law (if those things exists)

@topic
I think the innovation award is also commitee chosen to be more distinguishable from awards like "best gameplay".
It's also way more exciting

[Igor Hardy]

It's also way more exciting

I think it would be even more exciting if the runner-ups would be mentioned during the ceremony. Surely, it can happen that there is more than one innovative game during a year, and it is a shame those slightly less innovative titles will be totally ignored in the Awards.

[SSH]

I think one year I had to beat the committee members with a stick to get them to collectively come up with just one suggestion for Innovation, which does undermine the whole "discussion, sharing" argument. And against the "tell us the shortlist" suggestion too!

[Igor Hardy]

Surely this happened during the Dark Ages of AGS when people were afraid of Innovation in general. The past year and 2008 had both produced several games that can be seen as innovative - it would be great to support a larger number of fresh ideas and experimentation in general.

[selmiak]

is there a soundtrack somehwrer? 

[Snarky]

For anyone who feels left out of the process, that probably means that the public at large can wield considerable influence over the winner by starting a thread and presenting a case for games they think are worthy candidates.

[Dualnames]

Bic, is there a plan for a game, like last year?

[bicilotti]

Bic, is there a plan for a game, like last year?

No, this year the ceremony will be held on IRC only. I had this idea of a dual ceremony, Dual (ehehe), but then realised it would have been a bit stale, with all the light shed on the IRC one.

[Wesray]

It's a pity that there won't be an award game like last year, that was awesome! Still, looking forward to the ceremony.

[Dualnames]

If one knows how to make the TCP/IP plugin we can totally have an IRC game!!

[A7A]

I didn't vote in all categories, which seems to have went just fine. Is this possible? If so, good, because I like to make my opinion voiced but don't feel I should be voting for stuff I have no clue about.

[bicilotti]

I didn't vote in all categories, which seems to have went just fine. Is this possible? If so, good, because I like to make my opinion voiced but don't feel I should be voting for stuff I have no clue about.

Yes it is valid. In a similar fashion to the nomination phase, you can't change you vote once submitted, so take your time to decide!

[Ishmael]

Oi, concerning dates, I'd prefer any other day around that except the 27th as that's booked but rest are not. :\ Time of day is fine though.

[m0ds]

Bump!

VOTE!

Date set yet bicci?

[bicilotti]

Bump!

VOTE!

Date set yet bicci?

Nice bump! I've yet to receive PMs from some of the announcers, soon I'll post here!

[ddq]

Also, if you have trouble deciding, you could swing by good ol' HardyDev where I hear a great new article on the subject exists!
http://hardydev.com/2010/02/18/ags-best-games-of-2009-awards/
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