the ags/glumol/scramm and any engine review--Talk abou told AGS members too

Joseph DiPerla · Sat 03/12/2005 17:47:04

Ok, this is the ABSOLUTE LAST POST I will make in regards to this situation regarding my suggestions and Helm and Andails observation. Before we continue with this topic, I want everyone who gives a rats behind to please post here NOW and get it all out of your damn systems. You all have one day, after that, lets stay on THE TOPIC OF MY THREAD.

Helm, Andail, you can make your friggin observations, but from now on, keep them to yourself. I would also like to ask any AGSer who is in favor of me in this discussion to please keep calling the following people by this name: "Those guys who have to flame and stick their unimportant observations which tick people off." Here is that list:

Helm
Andail
And anyone else who contributes to this debate. Maybe CJ can make it a permanent Avatar to you people so that everyone could see.

By the way, Here are links that date back to March 2004, almost two years ago. These are all my threads which are CLOSE to being suggestions. You will notice that the title you are all giving me no longer fits. Here are my past suggestion posts, feel free to do your own search:

http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=13784.msg167393;topicseen#msg167393
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=15818.msg196704;topicseen#msg196704
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=23192.msg286105;topicseen#msg286105
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=22406.msg274126;topicseen#msg274126
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=23494.msg290946;topicseen#msg290946
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=13491.msg162124;topicseen#msg162124
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=12251.msg146151;topicseen#msg146151
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=20426.msg249492;topicseen#msg249492
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=23107.msg285151;topicseen#msg285151
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=21531.msg263155;topicseen#msg263155
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=14143.msg172638;topicseen#msg172638
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=23091.msg284706;topicseen#msg284706

I am sorry to all those who have defended me, to CJ, to m0ds, and to all the others who have stuck on topic. But this is starting to piss me off. I did not start this damn friggin topic, just so that CJ can look at my wishlist. I really didn't even think CJ would care about this post. You know people, I wanted to have a good discussion on this, but I have a feeling this is heading towards a locked thread. And its sad becouse I took a lot of time to write the post and do my research on the projects(even if it is imperfect). And in reality, the post was made to Praise CJ for his hard and generous work.

But thats it! Everytime I post anything that is half-decent, I get harassed! You morons who keep thinking of me as only the guy who makes suggestions, should do a search on my posts. Then you will notice that that I dont only make suggestions.

Once again, I am sorry for any foul language used in this post, and for just being so pissed off at this moment, but some retards need to turn something good into something evil just becouse they all have no lives and nothing better to do. CJ, I am especially sorry to you for this. I dont want your boards to be a place of trouble. But I really had it now.

Squinky · Sat 03/12/2005 18:23:25

It's probably better not to post when you are angry.

Believe me when I say I am not jumping on the bandwagon (is there even one?) but I do remember you for two things:

1. Posting a lot of feature requests

2. Being really into star wars ( I remember you all dressed up in a star wars outfit)

I'm not saying it's bad, but thats what I associate you with, just like people associate being a sexy mother with me....right? right?

Helm · Sat 03/12/2005 19:06:53

I thought this was cleared up in PMs (remember? the bit where you said "on a far more HUMAN level, I'd like to apologize" and I said "likewise, on a far more HUMAN level, I apologize too"? I guess we're back to being animals...) and you asking CJ to ban me. I'm gonna point out that I was called a moron and a retard in your last post, whereas I never called you any names. Even poor Andail who expressively said that is not supporting me got called those things. I have to tell you, Andail's pretty smart. I've met him, he's intelligent and polite and well-spoken. Hardly a retard. And still you don't see me running to any moderators to shut you up. I might have thicker skin than you, but you better start reconsidering your attitude. There are ways and ways to deal with what makes you mad, and this is hardly the best one.

Nikolas · Sat 03/12/2005 20:14:44

Let me act as a moderator here (although I shouldn't and it's not really the case but...)

There are three members involved into this: Joseph, Helm and andail.

Try not to post here for a couple of days. Relax and see what happens.

I've got to say this. From the three of you I got a good impression only from Andail, who he knows how much I love/care about. Helm suddently came onto Joseph (for no apparent reason for me who am here only 6-7 months, but do have 600 posts (not bad at all!)) and Joseph politely, honestly politely answered. Then the whole thing backfired to Joseph and now I don't like the both of you.

And I had a couple of discussion with Helm privately, and I find him pretty mature, relaxed and certainly open minded. It is fair to say that a value his opinion.

Unfortunately I didn't have the chance to meet Joseph more, but from what it seems he must be also a great guy! And joseph, I would be pissed also, but then again, when I critisise something I do it with a good heart, open mind and a will to help. This is what you did (from what I can understand), in all your suggestions. Nothing wrong with that really! The only way Helms posts could bother you would be if you felt kinda guilty yourself. After all you, yourself hand picked 12 threads on which you came close to suggesting (or \ctually di suggest). Why is this wrong? Why is it bad?

I can't stand seeing a debate and not entering, honestly. Even if it is none of my buisness, it is that I feel that I can help, and budge in! hehe!

Anyway relax.

About the topic: I dont' care about SCRAMM or GLUMOL. The actuall games in AGS have proven that AGSs capabilities are close to endless. And for me who know nothing of coding or scripting still, but offer my help in other sectors (music) I find that it is not only the AGS engine that keeps us together but this wonderfull community. And btw if anyone wants to say thank you there is a thread in the gen gen.

passer-by · Sat 03/12/2005 20:28:32

Just when there was a whole thread with hugs and kisses ... Go figure...

Joseph DiPerla · Sat 03/12/2005 20:40:59

Here is my first Quote I would like to point out:

QuoteHelm, I Am sorry to have to say this, but to RESPECT CJ, Darth and other Mods and the community. I really want to keep this to PM so that the topic stays in topic. I would kindly ask the mods not to delete or lock this thread as I think this can become an interesting discussion. I am going to keep my issues with Helm in PM from now on.

I asked here to stay in topic. The topic is: "A comparison between AGS the was supposed to be SCRAMM and GLUMOL". Criticizing me is not being in topic. You cant seem to follow that SIMPLE rule, therefore you must be a retard. Just like you Helm, I am just calling it as I see them.

Here is my second quote I would like to point out:

Quote(Note: Once again for all who are defending my point of view... Lets not discuss this any further in this thread. Please either PM me or Helm regarding this situation. Also I would like to express that we are talking this out together in PM and just to make you all understand... Dont jump on Helms back, there were just some misunderstandings. Thank you all again.)

LETS NOT DISCUSS THIS ANY FURTHER IN THIS THREAD. What dont you understand about that? I am sorry if I am taking personal offense, but now there are other people jumping on my back too for this. This is getting on my nerves. I mean this last quote was the last thing I said regarding this whole issue between me and Helm. Then there were about 9 posts which began getting in topic. Then out of nowhere Andail has to ressurect this topic again. As if he skipped all my requests, skipped all the other things that were said after, and completely went off-topic again. And I tried to stay as calm as possible both in PM and publicly Helm, And it was pretty obvious that your comment bothered me. So why bring it up again? In my opinion, its becouse you would have to be pretty retarded to do that. ONCE AGAIN, just like you Helm, I am calling it as I see it.

Now let me go to the rules of this particular board, since my friggin requests mean diddly squat!

QuoteIf you want some comments, constructive criticism or similar on elements of your game, like backgrounds, music or character art, please use the Critics lounge - no smoking!

Dont want comments or criticism regarding me, just the topic we are discussing. Although this is more for games, maybe we should apply it in general as well.

Quote- We don't want this place filled with general chat.

Criticizing me and bringing up what you think of me is considered general chat.

QuotePlease note, I won't tollerate strong language or abuse

I made a request to not criticize me any further regarding the suggestions matter, and I made it obvious how I felt that Helm brought it up as well. Yet the fact that some people cant seem to listen to this and continue to disregard my feelings on the matter, should be considered abuse.

Now to answer Squinky:

QuoteIt's probably better not to post when you are angry.

Believe me when I say I am not jumping on the bandwagon (is there even one?) but I do remember you for two things:

1. Posting a lot of feature requests

2. Being really into star wars ( I remember you all dressed up in a star wars outfit)

I'm not saying it's bad, but thats what I associate you with, just like people associate being a sexy mother with me....right? right?

Your right, its not a good idea to post when I am angry. But its like I had enough of this crap when it started with Helm. And it started trailing in the right direction, and then BOOM!, out of nowhere, someone has to start this back up again. Plus, take into consideration my defense. I might have other things on my mind, I dont need people demeaning me and bringing up old traits of mine.

YES YES YES YES, we have all established that, I post a lot of suggestions. FINE! I asked people who thought that to post it, and you did. Thank you. But again, look at the post prior to this one. DID YOU SEE HOW MANY REQUESTS I MADE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS?

AGAIN!, do a search on my profile and look at the numerous OTHER things I posted about. Stop picking out something that was outstanding years ago. Thats the whole point of this argument.

And yes, I am into Star Wars. But there are other things I am into far more than Star Wars. For instance, the transformers. I like the Transformers far more than Star Wars. Oh, and to point out that sometimes what people associate with me is wrong... I never owned any star wars costume, nor any clothing that looked similar to Star Wars clothing or creatures.I never owned a star wars mask and I never owned any replica's of weapons and items. On top of that, I never met any of you people here face-to-face, and I never ever posted a picture of myself on the internet. Therefore, you remembering me as wearing a Star Wars outfit is wrong. Now if you could be wrong about that (something you were pretty sure you remember me for), couldn't you all be wrong about me with the suggestions? I mean I have not posted a long list of suggestions in atleast TWO YEARS.

And no Squinky, there is nothing wrong with being associated with something, if its something good. Helm, in his initial post did not associate it with something good. I dont want to be associated with, "hey this is the guy who posts a bunch of suggestions, so lets jump on everything he does now."

Squinky, please dont take this as me being mad at you. I am just REALLY REALLY frustrated. I mean it took me several hours to make the post I made in this thread, and there are people who just decide to find the faults in it and bring it out, rather just let it be. Its kind of frustrating.

Now back to Helm.

QuoteI thought this was cleared up in PMs (remember? the bit where you said "on a far more HUMAN level, I'd like to apologize" and I said "likewise, on a far more HUMAN level, I apologize too"? I guess we're back to being animals...) and you asking CJ to ban me.

Uhm, number one, I didnt ask CJ to ban you. I just reported the situation to him and asked him to make the rules for the forums a bit more clear for a situation like this, so it wouldn't happen again. I said to him if he felt he should ban you, its his decision. And I recommended that you DIDNT REALLY DO ANYTHING THAT MERITS A BAN. Two, we really kind of left things in the air in PM's. Remember? I said lets just forget it becouse it seems like this will never be resolved. So I let it go. I made my last point and even asked you that if you want to make a last point, to go ahead. But we never cleared anything up. We just left it alone. The reason why I included your name before was becouse you were the one got all this started.

QuoteI'm gonna point out that I was called a moron and a retard in your last post, whereas I never called you any names. Even poor Andail who expressively said that is not supporting me got called those things.

Uhmm, again, the term Retards and Moron where generalized and not pointed towards you. And, like I said, if you cant see the changes I have made over the years in this (Regarding making fewer suggestions) and only keep associating me with my past, then yes, your moron. I'm sorry, thats the way it is. If you dont want to be a moron, its totally up to you, stop associating the "old me" with the "current me". And yes, if you have to continue to bring my, or other peoples, faults, then your a retard. And Helm, reread your PM's to me. You didn't call me any names, but I did feel you were insinuating some bad things, which is practically the same.

Regarding Andail not supporting you... even though he stated that, in what way was he not? Not supporting you would be just not saying anything at all. If he agreed with you, he supported you, even though he said he didn't. Its like Bill Clinton saying that he did not have sexual relations with ML, when in reality he did.

QuoteI have to tell you, Andail's pretty smart. I've met him, he's intelligent and polite and well-spoken. Hardly a retard.

No doubts here, but people are smart in certain things, retarded in others. And he might be a polite and well spoken person, but still, his last reply was not a smart post to make. Thats just the way it is.

QuoteAnd still you don't see me running to any moderators to shut you up.

Your right, but I didn't do anything wrong to begin with. You started it and others continued it. I felt like my topic was invaded by foreign material that shouldn't be here.

QuoteI might have thicker skin than you, but you better start reconsidering your attitude. There are ways and ways to deal with what makes you mad, and this is hardly the best one.

Helm, you want me to reconsider my attitude? How did I try to handle this issue initially? I really tried to be polite about it. Read a couple of posts back when some people starting jumping on your case. I defended you. So tell me Helm, what would have been the best way to deal with this? Just shut up, and have you and anyone else who felt like it go off topic? Disregard the work I put into writing the topic post? I really tried to be kind and patient. But then I felt attacked. How would you have handled this differently?

To Nikolas:

First off, I really appreciate the way you intervened in this off-topic debate. It was polite and not-insulting. On top of that, I really appreciate you trying to bring this back on topic. But to address some things you mentioned:

QuoteI've got to say this. From the three of you I got a good impression only from Andail, who he knows how much I love/care about. Helm suddently came onto Joseph (for no apparent reason for me who am here only 6-7 months, but do have 600 posts (not bad at all!)) and Joseph politely, honestly politely answered. Then the whole thing backfired to Joseph and now I don't like the both of you.

Most people know me as well for being a good guy. I mean ask the members who have been here a long time. Ask m0ds, ask CJ, ask Darth Mandarb, ask the majority of people. I am a pretty nice, mature person. I have been around 4 or 5 years, or longer (I really cant remember when CJ began his engine). CJ, in all that time, other than my annoying suggestions, have I ever been rude to anyone or caused trouble?

On top of that Nikolas, I am pretty nice guy when you come down and think about it. How much do you appreciate Insta-Game? A lot, correct? It was a nice thing to be done. Even CJ a while back had a freeware package of graphics he allowed us to use. That was nice too. I made a Simpsons Template, which even though means I RIPPED the graphics, it still took a lot of time to do. About 4 years. And I made the template available for everyone to use, so that people wouldn;t have to rip any graphics, or design their own GUI, or program how the rooms connect to eachother. Thats in ADDITION to the full length game I have been making for years. I did it so that everyone in this community could do such a thing.

And your right, it did backfire on me this whole situation. For the hard work I put in that template, all I get remembered for is something I did over 2 years ago. I am remembered as " The guy who made too many suggestions." I would rather be remembered for the contributions I made, "The guy who made the Simpsons Template." Or even "The Veteran who has been around for a long time." Others I wouldn't mind being remembered for : "The guy who made the GUI Tutorials", or "The guy who was always supportive of others games." or "The Italian Guy". Etc..., there are so many things I can be remembered for, why do people have to remember me for an imperfection I had years ago? Why couldn't Helm, or Andail, and even Squinky (Not that I am particularly mad at Squinky) just remember those things? Its like a selective memory.

QuoteUnfortunately I didn't have the chance to meet Joseph more, but from what it seems he must be also a great guy!

I appreciate you not being close-minded on me based on my stressful situation.

QuoteAnd joseph, I would be pissed also, but then again, when I critisise something I do it with a good heart, open mind and a will to help. This is what you did (from what I can understand), in all your suggestions. Nothing wrong with that really!

And I have also done that in other situations, but I should be grateful that your saying this much after my last explosion. But I appreciate it. Thanks.

QuoteThe only way Helms posts could bother you would be if you felt kinda guilty yourself. After all you, yourself hand picked 12 threads on which you came close to suggesting (or \ctually di suggest). Why is this wrong? Why is it bad?

I dont feel guilty, but remember what I just mentioned to you above? I dont want to be remembered for that when I did other good things. I dont want to be criticized by someone for doing something wrong when I did not do anything wrong? You catch my drift?

QuoteI can't stand seeing a debate and not entering, honestly. Even if it is none of my buisness, it is that I feel that I can help, and budge in! hehe!

Sometimes, its better not to start the debate at all. And, you should never feel that you should enter a debate. Reason: Why stopped the debate, then Andail started it up again, and now look what happened. Better to not enter a debate then.

QuoteTry not to post here for a couple of days. Relax and see what happens.

I understand what your trying to do, but, this was my topic that I started. And the criticism was directed at me. Just like you feel that when you see a debate, you should enter it, I feel that when I see someone saying something about me, I should defend it.

I feel that this Topic will not gather any interest anymore. Right now, I would appreciate CJ to make a reply about all this. I am sorry for being like this, but now I would like to see what he has to say about all this. He will most likely lock this as well, but at this point I lost all interest.

Squinky · Sat 03/12/2005 21:05:40

Good lord, leave poor CJ out of this. He makes an adventure game maker, which we all love, you can't expect him to pick sides in your weird little war you have going on here.

I am sorry I labeled you as a star trek guy, after all the years it's easy to mix people up.

One thing I felt I should mention is this: Just because you say in your thread that you don't want the topic of conversation to steer a certain way, dosen't mean people have to. This is the general discussion forum, a little slack is allowed here...You aren't the master of the thread, we all share it....

I hope you aren't angry at me for pointing this out, and I also hope that I don't join your "retard" club...

MrColossal · Sat 03/12/2005 21:07:06

Enough.

Andail · Sun 04/12/2005 10:00:38

Hm, Eric, I'd like to write some words in my own defense here. The forum won't collapse from some serious arguments once in a while. I do think that this can be talked out, and locking it before giving that a shot will create very strange vibes, I must say.

Joseph, I'm sorry that I caused you so much frustration. I wouldn't have posted if I had known how sensitive this was to you. So, my apologies for that.

Still you have to realise that some things can't be yelled away, or even argued for that matter. If people have a certain image of you, be it one you don't agree on, you can only begin to slowly and steadily work to achieve another image. I'm sorry if I have an image of you that you don't agree on, but the best thing you can to is to accept it, take some wisdom from it and carry on.

I was making an honest observation because I felt it could help you understand Helm's argument. I expressively said that I didn't side with Helm just to stand up for him; on the contrary, I think that he was being a bit rude and hostile.

Now, a few more things.
Firstly, threads develop. You were the one who started it, with a certain topic. It was also you who made a wishlist. So the current course of this thread isn't so much off-topic as threads generally get around here.

Secondly, I'm not retarded. I have worked with retarded people, and I don't appreciate the term being used in the careless and immature manner displayed in your posts.

You are eager, well desperate, not to fit a certain image. Just be careful with the image you're now portraying for future ags-members.

Anyhow, sorry again for the immense frustration my post caused you.
I believe that this thread can still live on without damaging the community spirit too much (even though it's soon christmas), and I hope that people who are allergic to arguments can perhaps look away. I for one believe I have made a pertinent and important reply.
If other moderators think it'd be better to put the lid on again, I will not re-open it.

Thank you and have a nice day.

jetxl · Sun 04/12/2005 10:42:38

The topic is a non-discussion, since
A. glumol and scramm were never made.
B. both projects died half a decade ago.

One could argue that one could make a hypothetical comparison, however others are then free say for instance hypothetically AGS could controll an ion canon in space.

Last, since this is the AGS board, a discussion of this matter (comparing AGS with other non-fictional programs) would be, sorry for using this word, biased.

Pumaman · Sun 04/12/2005 17:51:07

Quote from: Joseph DiPerla on Sat 03/12/2005 20:40:59
I feel that this Topic will not gather any interest anymore. Right now, I would appreciate CJ to make a reply about all this. I am sorry for being like this, but now I would like to see what he has to say about all this. He will most likely lock this as well, but at this point I lost all interest.

Joseph, please stop taking things so seriously.

And Helm, please stop winding him up.

Now, let's all play some Christmas tunes and get on with life.

Helm · Sun 04/12/2005 18:32:26

Okay, I won't wind Joseph diPerla up anymore, only if you promise to implement the following in the next version of ags:

*bloom lighting

*bump-mapping

*lens flare

*pressing the button C in-game will result to an audible cowbell sound-effect

*a Vic20 port

Pumaman · Sun 04/12/2005 18:37:03

It's a deal!

Rui 'Trovatore' Pires · Sun 04/12/2005 19:38:23

Suggestions 4 and 5 are already possible, you bum. Get a 1337 artist and a decent coder!

Spoiler

Joke, joke, let's not argue anymore.

[close]

The Inquisitive Stranger · Wed 07/12/2005 06:08:18

Hey everyone. Remember me? The *original* Squinky? Probably not, unless you've been part of the adventure game development scene for a LONG time... or have played my world-famous 2002 hit, Cubert Badbone, P.I.

Anyway, I randomly decided to lurk over from the SLUDGE side, and found this thread. I was actually wondering what happened to all the SCRAMM people a little while ago (after watching Potter's Puppet Pals, and discovering that it was made by Trapezoid, who I remembered from the SCRAMM board... apparently he's some sort of Internet celebrity these days). It was I who posted the infamous splash screenshot of SCRAMM, which everyone thought was photoshopped or something, cementing the popular view that it was fake. (In reality, though, I was in close contact with James Slaughter at one point, and was supposed to be an alpha tester. I'm pretty sure SOME work was done in SCRAMM, but it never got anywhere near alpha mode, most likely because of the overly-ambitious features list...)

But yeah... I had some great times over at that board. I remember when MrColossal was called Brand X and signed his posts with "Long time reader, nth time poster." And there was that Outrageous Evan Courageous guy. And when everyone lost faith in SCRAMM because James Slaughter mysteriously disappeared, someone wrote a parable about people who waited for SCRAMM as opposed to people who started using engines like AGS instead, and it had to do with waiting for the Messiah or something like that. Good times.

I wasn't all that active on the GLUMOL side of things, mainly because by then I'd started tinkering with AGAST. I tried AGS, but it wasn't really my cup of tea. Mind you, this was back when it was completely DOS-based.

Years later, I'm quite impressed at how far AGS has gotten. I'll always be a happy SLUDGE user (seeing as I'm used to it, I have half a game finished in it, I like coding, and I paid for it ages ago), but if I'd gotten introduced to AGS in the state that it is now rather than five years ago, I'd have probably liked it enough to actually use it to make a game.

It's interesting to see that even though SCRAMM and GLUMOL were never made due to their ambitiousness, all the frequently-used adventure game engines of today (AGS, Wintermute, and dear ol' SLUDGE) have feature lists that rise above and beyond what SCRAMM and GLUMOL were supposed to be. There are times when I wish the technology we have today was available all those years ago, and yet, I'm quite certain that had I used my original Cubert Badbone art in a game, it would've scarred people's retinas more than Richard Longhurst and the Box that Ate Time did. (By the way, is Captain Mostly still around?)

Anyway, enough rambling. Back to lurking.

P.S. MrColossal, that guy you mentioned was named WorldMaker.

MrColossal · Wed 07/12/2005 15:16:56

Old Skool Squinky!

How funny, this thread made me remember you and your disappearance then your come back and then disappearance again!

Of course I remember the "long time reader nth time poster" thing but I especially remember when someone asked me how I counted my posts, a few people responded with various ways that I do it like I have a program that does it for me or I wrote a program to do it for me and I responded "Um, I... Count... With my mind..."

It's good to hear that you're still a part of the adventure game community! I was also wondering "How curious, she made a game, struggled over it with MMF [that is what you used right?] and then never be heard from again." I just didn't feel like someone could wait years for SCRAMM and then disappear from the adventure making community all together. The Game that Takes Place on a Cruise Ship, eh? Rock on.

WorldMaker: He and I discussed the possibilities and problems with a MMO Adventure Game and I think he assumed I wanted to work on it and not just discuss it... I wonder where he is, RPG making forum maybe?

Also, wasn't there an engine called BOT that got renamed to roBOT or something? I briefly remember that appearing in my adventure game engine radar search and then disappearing again.

Eric

DGMacphee · Wed 07/12/2005 16:26:09

Hmm, a textual punch-up without me. It's just not the same. Better do something about this...

AGS, more like fAGS lol

glumol 4eva!!!1

and everyone on this forum is either a retard or a moron except for me. i crown myself "King Awesome!!!"

There. Now the universe feels complete.

The Inquisitive Stranger · Wed 07/12/2005 18:41:54

Yup, I've always been a part of the adventure game development community. I just tend to have dry spells when it comes to forum posting, is all. These days, I can usually be found at Adventure Developers and the relative inactive SLUDGE forums, and quite rarely on the Adventure Gamers Underground forum. I haven't stopped by here all that much, mainly because I'm not an AGS user, but I do recognize a lot of faces from back in the old days.

Actually, I used SLUDGE for Cubert Badbone, and have been continuing to use it for TGTTPOACS and The Interview. I've never touched MMF in my life... well, actually, I think I may have tried it ONCE, in my search for an engine post-SCRAMM, but that was ages ago.

Yup, I remember BOT/RoBot. I also remember SAGE (which King Super was considering using) and Maker and IndyJava (which I actually tried at some point).

And speaking of WorldMaker, lookie what I found: http://www.2dadventure.com/abstarcia/

MrColossal · Wed 07/12/2005 19:00:22

I remember touching Indyjava once... It burned me so...

So, how do you like SLUDGE?

Also, anyone else remember Mauve?

This big awkward website that was going to be a game that some people from SCRAMM were making and it made no sense and of course disappeared but it just popped into my head.

The Inquisitive Stranger · Wed 07/12/2005 20:37:05

SLUDGE is teh awesome. Of course, I'm very very biased because it's the only adventure engine I've been using for the past... er... four years is it? But yeah, it's got everything I could possibly want and need in an adventure game engine. Tim Furnish is even coming out with a new version soon that features anti-aliased sprites, which I'm quite looking forward to.

Only downside is, our community's pretty sparse. We don't really attract all that many n00bs, mainly because most of us SLUDGE veterans are too busy working on our games to write tutorials. (Most people seem to flock to AGS because it's the easiest to use, anyway.) Plus, you gotta pay for the full version of SLUDGE, which ends up discouraging a lot of people from even trying it. (Come to think of it, that's the reason I never used the Opera web browser until it became free. The reason I bought SLUDGE in the first place was because I was a beta tester and got a discount, and because circa 2001, it was probably the most advanced adventure engine that existed.) Also, SLUDGE doesn't really have an IDE; you gotta code everything. Some people, myself included, see this as an advantage, but I can understand that a lot of people love their IDEs and would be a teensy bit scared of an all-coding interface.

Anyway... oh man, Mauve. Yeah, I remember that. And Stouth-Rief/The Lugubrious Game, or whatever it was called. Crazy.