MAGS February: Chunky Salsa (Winner Announced!)

Helme · Sun 28/02/2010 22:18:51

Congrats tzachs. I didn't have time to finish all entries so I didn't vote either.

Leon · Mon 01/03/2010 08:36:05

Congrats Tzachs, great game!

I didn't vote either. I only played the first game. The deadline came way too early. So I wonder how many votes eventually made it. The problem with Dual postponing the deadline for the entries, gives the player less time to play and to compare the games. Although in this case it was just the month being too short (as is almost every ;-)

Now that he's changing the guidelines to the commenting I might start giving feedback again. But still the time to play (even though I have quite some spare time) is very short.

Quote from: Dualnames on Fri 26/02/2010 21:36:24
I think the MAGS is not at its best, but I'm struggling to keep it at the quality Klaus was giving to this competition and as a developer myself, I'm trying to help you guys out.

You shouldn't play with the deadline. Being flexible is nice, being strict is better, certainly in competitions. Clear for everyone, strict rules so everyone knows what's expected. So here's a suggestion. Why don't you overlap the competition? Give a month to create a game (a real month, 1st - 31st/30th/28th/29th). Give 3 weeks to play, comment and vote and have another week to let the winner come up with guidelines etc and prepare for the new competition. The 'rules' for the new competition are then from the month before.

The pro of this is that people don't have to stress to play a game. Of course there will always be people not being able but the same goes for participating.
Another pro is that you have more time to attract people from outside the community who accidentally stumble upon the games and not familiar with the concept. They can play and vote as well.
Cons would be that you have to wait longer to announce a winner and that you need to fill a gap of one month. Maybe you can choose 2 winners before changing or the host chooses the rules for the 1st overlapping game.

Just a thought.

abstauber · Mon 01/03/2010 08:44:34

Congrats to Tzachs as well.

Too bad I got stuck on "This odd Feeling" so I didn't vote either. The short voting deadline came a bit unexpected and maybe I've been a bit too excited about the AGS awards. So anyway: good show, I'll play the rest later on.

david · Mon 01/03/2010 09:34:54

oh well, that was soooooo quick

I just wonder who played ALL games and voted in time either :o

I only finished tzachs's game

Bulbapuck · Mon 01/03/2010 09:44:14

Quote from: Leon on Mon 01/03/2010 08:36:05
You shouldn't play with the deadline. Being flexible is nice, being strict is better, certainly in competitions. Clear for everyone, strict rules so everyone knows what's expected. So here's a suggestion. Why don't you overlap the competition? Give a month to create a game (a real month, 1st - 31st/30th/28th/29th). Give 3 weeks to play, comment and vote and have another week to let the winner come up with guidelines etc and prepare for the new competition. The 'rules' for the new competition are then from the month before.

The pro of this is that people don't have to stress to play a game. Of course there will always be people not being able but the same goes for participating.
Another pro is that you have more time to attract people from outside the community who accidentally stumble upon the games and not familiar with the concept. They can play and vote as well.
Cons would be that you have to wait longer to announce a winner and that you need to fill a gap of one month. Maybe you can choose 2 winners before changing or the host chooses the rules for the 1st overlapping game.

Just a thought.

This sounds like a great idea! It's better for everyone!

david · Mon 01/03/2010 12:44:34

Quote from: Bulbapuck on Mon 01/03/2010 09:44:14
Quote from: Leon on Mon 01/03/2010 08:36:05
You shouldn't play with the deadline. Being flexible is nice, being strict is better, certainly in competitions. Clear for everyone, strict rules so everyone knows what's expected. So here's a suggestion. Why don't you overlap the competition? Give a month to create a game (a real month, 1st - 31st/30th/28th/29th). Give 3 weeks to play, comment and vote and have another week to let the winner come up with guidelines etc and prepare for the new competition. The 'rules' for the new competition are then from the month before.

The pro of this is that people don't have to stress to play a game. Of course there will always be people not being able but the same goes for participating.
Another pro is that you have more time to attract people from outside the community who accidentally stumble upon the games and not familiar with the concept. They can play and vote as well.
Cons would be that you have to wait longer to announce a winner and that you need to fill a gap of one month. Maybe you can choose 2 winners before changing or the host chooses the rules for the 1st overlapping game.

Just a thought.

This sounds like a great idea! It's better for everyone!

I agree...it is also better for those who play the games

tzachs · Mon 01/03/2010 16:41:06

Thanks again to all congratulators

Quote from: Bulbapuck on Mon 01/03/2010 09:44:14
This sounds like a great idea! It's better for everyone!

Except for dualnames, he'll have to keep tabs on two competitions at once...
But yes, better for everyone else

Vukul · Mon 01/03/2010 16:47:18

Quote from: tzachs on Mon 01/03/2010 16:41:06
Except for dualnames, he'll have to keep tabs on two competitions at once...

Why? The voting will be open only for one competition at the time... Only two threads will be running at these forums...

...if I understand the procedure correctly, of course

tzachs · Mon 01/03/2010 17:12:10

Two threads = two competitions

There can be some confusion between these two threads (even if only one will be open for voting)...

Leon · Mon 01/03/2010 17:41:09

There will be two threads of course. But since you can obviously find out which month you're currently in, you know which one to use as a participant.

And since you as player know the month's not over yet, you don't have to search for the games in that month's thread (unless there are early finished games of course).

And as a host, you need to follow two threads, that's right. So it will be slightly more challenging for Dual. But he can do it!

Besides, there are currently two threads as well. You can still comment for the month that's already finished. Although not really really active, there are still two 'active' threads.

So all in all, I admit it's more administration, but less stress..

Dualnames · Mon 01/03/2010 20:41:29

Thanks, anyone has any more paperwork that he wants me to work with? There will be some confusion with the MAGS website. Though not necessarily. We could run the vote while the next MAGS is starting, but who is going to define the theme? The winner that has yet to be announced?

I'm thinking of having this: Two MAGS competitions. One starting like 1st January till 31st January and voting for like 7 or 14 days. And one starting 1st February - 28th February. The winner of January announces the theme for March. The winner of February announces the theme of April. Sounds confusing though, but more time to play more time to vote, more time to create.

Though it seems a little confusing.

Leon's idea is to do this:
1 month to create
3 weeks of next month to play
1 week to vote.

That means 6 MAGS per year.

Or we can combine both ideas into one with two MAGS..it's going to be a little confusing though. But if it's up to me it can be done.

Bulbapuck · Mon 01/03/2010 20:54:50

Quote from: Dualnames on Mon 01/03/2010 20:41:29
Thanks, anyone has any more paperwork that he wants me to work with? There will be some confusion with the MAGS website. Though not necessarily. We could run the vote while the next MAGS is starting, but who is going to define the theme? The winner that has yet to be announced?

I'm thinking of having this: Two MAGS competitions. One starting like 1st January till 31st January and voting for like 7 or 14 days. And one starting 1st February - 28th February. The winner of January announces the theme for March. The winner of February announces the theme of April. Sounds confusing though, but more time to play more time to vote, more time to create.

Though it seems a little confusing.

Leon's idea is to do this:
1 month to create
3 weeks of next month to play
1 week to vote.

That means 6 MAGS per year.

Or we can combine both ideas into one with two MAGS..it's going to be a little confusing though. But if it's up to me it can be done.

I think you misunderstood dual

Basically, the idea your proposing is almost exactly the one that Leon proposed.

Quote from: LeonThe 'rules' for the new competition are then from the month before.

Dualnames · Mon 01/03/2010 20:58:46

I know, I noticed. Well, I don't know, you guys are regulars and all, so you deserve to have the competition shaped up to your needs. I'd love to have an outsiders opinion on Leon's wonderful suggestion.

Snarky · Mon 01/03/2010 21:07:03

Well, since I've never submitted, and hardly ever played, any MAGS games, I guess that makes me qualified.

Sounds good to me! Not sure how you'd transition (the runner-up this month sets the theme for April's contest?), but the arrangement sounds more efficient.

Dualnames · Mon 01/03/2010 21:26:25

I'm going to start the changes from April and forth. So this month's MAGS stays by the book. Summing up, to de-confuse:

MAGS A (January, March,May, July, September, November)

It starts on 1st and ends on 30/31st

The winner sets up the theme of the next MAGS A
Voting and playing lasts whilst MAGS B is going on. (2 weeks each)

MAGS B (February, April, June, August, October, December)

It starts on 1st and ends on 28/29/30/31st
The winner sets the theme of the next MAGS B

Voting and playing lasts whilst MAGS A is going on. (2 weeks each)

If we go by that idea the theme of MAGS B will be set by the winner of this MAGS March, and either the runner of this month or the runner up of the MAGS March, or a public poll for a sort of special MAGS will have it.
.

Leon · Mon 01/03/2010 22:15:45

Why A and B? That's what'll make it confusing... Is it A or B this month? Why not call the MAGS by it's name?

I see two options:

The runner up of MAGS March gets to set the rules for MAGS April, the winner of MAGS March gets to set the rules for MAGS May. Then the winner of MAGS April has to call the shots for MAGS June, the winner of May for July etc.

Or just decide to have a special MAGS in April. Rules set by Dualnames (one rule: just as long as there are hitchhikers in your game! ;-) And the winner can decide for June, as the current MAGS March's winner wil announce the rules for MAGS May.

Dualnames · Mon 01/03/2010 22:21:14

Quote from: Leon on Mon 01/03/2010 22:15:45
Why A and B? That's what'll make it confusing... Is it A or B this month? Why not call the MAGS by it's name?

I see two options:

The runner up of MAGS March gets to set the rules for MAGS April, the winner of MAGS March gets to set the rules for MAGS May. Then the winner of MAGS April has to call the shots for MAGS June, the winner of May for July etc.

Or just decide to have a special MAGS in April. Rules set by Dualnames (one rule: just as long as there are hitchhikers in your game! ;-) And the winner can decide for June, as the current MAGS March's winner wil announce the rules for MAGS May.

I just thought A and B would clarify it easier, it's MAGS A this month. I'm gonna officially call them MAGS both. But I just set A and B to make the distinction more appropriate on how it would work.

Wyz · Mon 01/03/2010 22:30:59

It might be a good idea since I always had difficulty playing the mags games in time. This month was a bit of a extreme case, without any leaping

. Well it would take a bit to get used with, but after that it might really work.
Maybe a suggestion: entering all games at the deadline itself, so only after the voting of the previous MAGS has stopped. It might be a bit less confusing.

Ow shame shame WYZ, I forgot to congratulate you Tzachs and Jakerpot. Well that was a really remarkable game, clever use of plugins too! And also nice job on the next MAGS subject.