Two of a Kind - v1.01

[HillBilly]

I found a bug, but I don't know if it's mentioned before:

When I attract the bees with the flowers and walk out to the farm again(with the cow and all), and then switch back to TIM(who is at the bee place), I get this error message:

[YOke]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess the old movie cliché "Never work with animals or children" is true for adventuregames also. Those bees gave me the worst headache... Apparently the bugs (no pun intended) aren't quite kicked out of it yet. Have many others experienced this problem?

I will re-script this game sometime in the future, I promise!

[HillBilly]

I'm sorry. 

Well, apart from that, I havn't spotted a single bug.


Except that it's possible to walk behind the bouncer, but I'm not sure if that's intended.

[Bernie]

Errors like that tend to happen if a character who's got a character following follows another one. I had a problem like that in City of Fortune, too.

To fix it, you'll have to make sure the bees don't follow Tiffany anymore if Tim's the leader. For example, you could make them move back to the hive when characters are switched and Tim is in a different room than Tiffany, or just code a custom follow thing.

Anyway, this game was great. Make more, please!

[YOke]

I probably could have coded the bees in a simpler way. As they are in the game they are separate characters following an invisible "Queen Bee", randomly patrolling around her. The Queen will then be set to follow the character with the flower.
This game was the first "complete" game I've ever coded in AGS and I learned a lot from the experience. The bees were a pain, as my teammates will all tell you, until the bitter end. The constant recoding while under the added pressure of a deadline made for some interesting scripting, and the final version is really just the original with a bunch of patches on it.Ã, 
The problems seemed to finally disappear, but apparently a special set of conditions can still bring them back.Ã,  :

I'm very happy about the way the game turned out, but there are some n00bish errors in there that hopefully I alone am being annoyed by. 

[HillBilly]

heh. I was gonna press the minimize buttons(ALT + Those two arrows button that I don't remember the name of) and I accidently hit space instead of ALT:






Oh, and by the way: I distracted the bees with the flower, got tim to get the honey, talked to Yoker as tiffany, did some random searchings as Tim, and now Tiff can't move. 

[minniemoo]

great game!!


hi, having a problem with a particular bit

Spoiler

how do I open the portal? I have read the book but have no idea how to draw it.... also, how do I light the candle?

[close]

thanks

ps - I had the same problem with the bees as reply #140 by hillbilly. but, as I had already read this forum, I saved first! 

[minniemoo]

sorry - forgot to get rid of the extra "e"s... Ã, 

ps again - HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!

great game!!


hi, having a problem with a particular bit

Spoiler

how do I open the portal? I have read the book but have no idea how to draw it.... also, how do I light the candle?

[close]

thanks

ps - I had the same problem with the bees as reply #140 by hillbilly. but, as I had already read this forum, I saved first!Ã, 

[Dave Gilbert]

For the portal, the circle is already drawn for you.  Check the basement floor.

You don't need to light the candle.

[minniemoo]

For the portal, the circle is already drawn for you.Ã,  Check the basement floor.

You don't need to light the candle.

got it figured! thanks mate! 

[Anym]

Very nice game! I loved it, except for...

Spoiler

...the zap-the-bird-to-get-the-antenna-to-free-the-rat-to-get-the-password-puzzle. Well, perhaps that's just me, but it didn't make much sense too me, and as it came quite early in the game, the game frustrated me before making me like it. Unwilling to resort to clues, I probably wouldn't have finished it, if not for a friend of mine who assured me that it would be worth it. O.K., in the end, it was worth it, but that doesn't make me like the puzzle, which I only solved using trial & error.

So, what didn't I like about it? Well, if all you want to do is to pry open the window, then there has to be something more suitable for that job: a branch from a tree, a baseball bat (this is America, after all), a broomstick (I'm sure Tiffany has one to keep her half of the office clean) or even the neck of an ornamental garden ostrich, but not an antenna, especially if the twins seem to be reluctant to steal from the Gilberts, let alone vandalizing their store. I mean, I suppose the game wouldn't have allowed me to THROW ROCK AT ANTENNA (if there had been rocks in the game that is) in that situation, would it?

O.K., once I had the the antenna, it was very nicely hinted what I had to do with it (first when I picked it up and later when I tried to use it on the rat), but I had no idea of its purpose until then, I only grabbed it because after some trial and error I did end up with an antenna and as an adventure gamer, I have to pick up everything that isn't nailed to the ground (and sometime even things that are).

Getting the antenna makes it even more "surreal". Talk the bird into sitting on the antenna, so that the antenna breaks down, when you zap it. Huh? Why did it do that? It was obviously able to support the bird weight before so why does it collapse when he falls down? And I was always bad at physics, but you fiddling with the signal amplifier in the house causing enough voltage to build up at the antenna for the bird to notice seemed more than a little strange to be, but as I said, it might be my lack of electronics knowledge. Don't worry, I know that adventure game physics don't always matches up with its real live equivalent.

I could make the connection OPEN WINDOW -> FREE RAT -> GET PASSWORD and USE AMPLIFIER -> AFFECT TV SET (OR TV ANTENNA), but MOVE BIRD -> ZAP BIRD -> GET ANTENNA -> USE ANTENNA, was obviously beyond me. Hmmmm, had I simply talked to that stupid bird more than once, I might have avoided some (a lot of) frustration and maybe wouldn't have thought about that puzzle so much to write several paragraphs about it. Before and after that, the other puzzles seems reasonable enough and they were neither too hard nor too easy.

[close]

Now I feel bad a bit, because my enjoyment (now that I've finished it) greatly outweighs my dissatisfaction, but this post makes it look as it if was the other way around. Let me assure you, it is not! Well, actually, it is (first sentence), it's not the other way around, that's what it's not (second sentence). Story, writing, graphics, music, interface and the rest of the puzzles were all nicely done. I hope my criciticism was at least constructive and you continue to make games as good as this one.

P.S.
If I notice any bugs, should I post about them here, PM one of the developers (which one) or write an e-mail?

[Ionias]

Great game, Dave Gilbert, BerserkerTails, Dart, Scotch, and Yoke.

A few of the puzzles were a little to much for me so I had to cheat a little. Other than that a great play. I enjoyed the two characters and the story. The ending's music and photos were great. I've got that .mp3 tucked neatly away on my HD.

[Phemar]

I think i found a bug: If you click load at the title screen and then new game, the load gui just kinda stays there... not going away.

Great game so far. It's the GUI that bothers me, like I can't right click to look etc. It doesn't automatically switch to walk after each command... But then again I suppose it wasn't meant to be LEC.

-Zor

[enken]

I'm running v1.01 on Windows XP, Athlon 64 with a gig and a half of RAM.  The sound hardware is crappy on-the-motherboard type from SoundMAX, and I don't know if it works well with other software that using MIDI.  I've got Pro audio hardware for working with Pro Audio apps, but I use the built in crappy sound for games..

The music won't play for me either, EXCEPT that it -does- play when I hit Alt-Tab and subsequently hold the ALT key down.  So if I want to hear the audio for a new location, that's what I do..

Am I running an old version?  Has this been fixed or has the problem really even been identified?

Anyway, thanx for a fun game!!  And I really did have to use some hints from this forum.  Hope me mentioning the music problem helps get it fixed somehow.  All the other problems I've encountered so far have been mentioned.. like the action text not changing until the mouse moves off from the bottom of the screen, or Tim/Tiff getting suspended in mid-air.

Cheers!

[BerserkerTails]

Enken, that sounds like a bug in the AGS engine itself, it wouldn't really have anythign to do with the way we coded the game.

But thank you for the compliments, I'm glad you enjoyed the game!

[enken]

Update:

Not sure why this worked, but I got midi working.  Changing the AGS Game Settings to use the Win32 MIDI Mapper (instead of the Default MCI Music Device) didn't help.  But now I've got it set back on the Default MCI and I changed my windows audio properties MIDI music playback settings Default device to the Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth (rather than the SoundMAX Wavetable Synth) and MIDI music is working!  Hooray!

This information may be useful to other users, and may belong in the readme, who knows..

Thx again!

[Stalker]

I've been wondering... has the "everyone has an unusual ability" thing inspired by Xanth? I've been toying around with the idea of making a game with the same idea (or even a Xanth-Fan-Game), but scapped it for various reasons (mainly because I'm a horrible artist).

[Dave Gilbert]

Actually it was inspired by the "Alvin Maker" series by Orson Scott Card.

[Aka]

 ???I have searched high and low for the bowls. I just couldn't find them. I need a tiny suggestion....

[jetxl]

Use 'Float' with Tim and open the top cupboard in the kitchen.

walktrough
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