Cruise Journal

[Tuomas]

Don't much know if this fits the somewhat hostile atmosphere of this thread, but I'd sure like to hear about the vacation when it's over... hearing one's impressions and such would be interesting. Some change to the oncoming cold winterseason and hard schoolwork that is
   Fluke, once you get back and if these ragamuffins wouldn't mind, you could at least tell us wherther the land/island whatever it was again is actually worth visiting or not... Dunno if you have a camera, but you know the drill.

But I must agree with the fact that an ongoing list of happenings will eventually lead to filling the forums frontpage with too many open threads and conversations... hmmm, and preferably think before posting if the thread would arouse conversation or just be there for nothing... usually people have ideas, they just need something to stimulate them. Let's assume the flag (someone mentioned a flag?) didn't because they did not know what it was for. that's why I couldn't give any C&C...

Farlander, I follow the limits because I can't keep the car in control no, actually it's easier to drive at 80km/h when other people are driving the same 80km/h too

[Nacho]

Ok, two points: 

If there is hostility here, for me, it's just against Fluke's "hey, I am still here!" attitude, not to Andail, Niko, Esper...

Point two: You can keep posting pages of examples of laws that need no punishements because you are good people and your soul instintivelly makes you follow the rule. But rules are not made just for good people. They're made for everybody. And everybody includes bad people too. So, to stablish punshiements is an essential part of making laws.

[TheYak]

I think it could've been a quite interesting topic.  Unfortunately, Fluke failed to make it a topic worth reading.  If it were more story-like, had interesting unusual happenings or just a general "It's not nearly as cool as I thought it'd be" or "It was twice as much fun as I thought someone my age could have on a cruise" then it'd be pretty damned interesting.  As it was, there was minimal information.  Any chance the thread had of being good was pretty much killed by the fact that FB can only update so often and you pirahnas have already devoured all the meat.  Just my take.

[Nacho]

Allow me to quote myself to express how deeply agree with you.

(Fluke's posts are not annoying because) they are silly, but because of the lack of effort...

That is miles away of the good starting topics examples we've seen in M0ds' or Andail's posts. Fluke's posts are boring, not helpfull, interesting or funny.

[Babar]

Farl, I don't think many people actually know the punishment for speeding. No one actually looks up the tables of punishments of how much you pay for how fast you are driving. Most people see the sense in following the rules, because if they didn't, something bad would happen to them (not that they'd get punished, but that they'd get hurt). Over here, it seems the punishment is to be ostracised from the community, and/or made a mockery of. I think that is enough. The 16+ isn't really a rule: it's a warning. If you act like a kid, people here won't accept you.

Fluke...take this as an attempt at writing (a good tool for any game-maker). Even if you have the worst or most mundane vacation ever, make it interesting! Make up interesting analogies for what you saw, try spoting the humour in any situation, etc. Don't just say "Went to a pizza place. Played on arcade machines. Had breakfast of pan-cakes and maple syrup". And of course, pictures!

[Nacho]

The good people, Babar... the good people...

[Babar]

Woooo! Lets turn this into a discussion of the morality of speeding!
Actually, Farl, even the good people break the law. They just do it when they understand that there is no danger. For example, when there is a long stretch of empty road, and someone is in a hurry (and of course, there is no one around to stop them), they might speed. The point is, they make an informed decision on how to act, not based on punishments, but on safety. Would you go full speed past a crossing even if you knew 100% that there was no policeman there to stop you? Rules aren't put in place to be mean. They are placed to protect those who they are imposed on.

The same way, people here break the rule about being older than 16. They understand, however, that they must act a certain way, and behave a certain way.
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I added a ton of text, then realised, I have no idea what you're talking about . "The good people, the good people"?
You were trying to show that punishments need to be enforced to make "bad people" follow rules. I showed you that the punishment is already in place. You speed in the wrong place=You die. You post silly threads=People make fun of you. This style of punishment is more likely to work than getting someone sulky because they were banned from posting 5 days. It effective! I haven't seen Chis around in a while. Besides, I don't think Fluke is really a "bad" person . Probably just doesn't understand a few things.

[Nacho]

What I am saying is that rules must stablish a punishement, because, whereas good people will follow the rules just because they are good and sensible, the bad people will need another incentive to strictly follow the rules. 

Many times, if you are stupid enough to break the laws, putting yourself and other people in danger, (driving 200 kms/h in a fast lane) you'll be stupid enough to give a f*ck about the punishement. But what about that people who is not completelly evil, but not completelly good as you and Nikolasideris? They might need that fear to the punishement.

And that fear might save lifes, for God's shake, what is this "no punishement" attitude? Is the new politically correct position? Because I need to know that things, I want to be popular! 

Penalties have two tasks. To strike fear (dissuade) and a teaching task. If a rule does not have punishement it won't work, it won't accomplish its tasks, so, we should remove the "under 16" rule, as it is proven it is totallty useless.

But this has been totally unrelated with the matter, I am talking about general laws composing. About Fluke, I think that the "let's mock him till he realises he does not post in an interesting way" is quite mean. Notice that I don't reply to him firstly, I'd like anybody does, so that would dissade him of posting in such an unelaborated way, but someone finally does, and then I just can't avoid to try to educate him.  (As many teachers, I finally get stuffed about the pupils and I become as cruel as the attitudes I was trying to avoid  )

I would put a "tutor" to him, a guy who he could post through, via PM, and he could explain him how to do the posts more interestings, or if something is going to be accepted or not. I would gladly do the job, but I don't consider me a good example... 

[Tuomas]

I would gladly do the job, but I don't consider me a good example...Ã, 

I think nobody does anymore well, to return to offtopic, I find it rather intriguing that you reckon the world would be a better place if we all lived in fear... Kill all who say no to the king and no-one shall... might work too [place a matter of ethics here]

[Nacho]

Your post has a lack of fidelity when quoting mine. I haven't said that "If we ALL llive in fear the world might be a better place..." I've said "if all THOSE WHO ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH to follow the rules without the fear to punishement live in fear, the world might be a better place... "

That lack of fidelity when quoting makes totally useless to try to reply to your post, because,subsequently, your reply is wrong. Sorry. Try to explain to me what you are talking about and I'll gently try to reply

Thanks.

[Tuomas]

no way dude, chill out! I was kidding for christs sake!   now take a dep breath and read what you said earlier... You're cooking here. I rest my case, I don't want to get into this fight, and don't tell me it's not a fight because I can read!!!

btw, define bad person and good person, then tell someone he is bad and punish him, or he's good and don't ... Isn't that how the system works... anyway, I don't want to get in to this, and neither does FlukeBlake I bet...

[Nacho]

Of course, the "bad and good" people is a simplification to save words... It is difficult to explain, but I was talking about making laws, and talking mainly of criminal issues. 

Nothing to see with Flukeblake. I finished my stalement about that a lot of posts before. 

And don't worry, no possible fight here, I really wanted to discuss with you, but I thought it was a mistake to base a discussion into an error when quoting. 

[jetxl]

Restrictions on Younger Members: Lets Make Their Avatar Automaticly a Yellow Star.

The liberal "post and let post" additude here is why people are atracted to this forum.
Including flukeblake, and including you, farl! Look how many times you already posted in this topic. What if some nazi moderator banned you because of posting so much? That wouldn't make you come back, now would it. (unless you just want to piss them off some more)

We can all complain in unity because of members who crave attention. Wich makes us all feel connected.

There is no law. The moderators aren't judges of policemen, so they don't have to follow rules but can just go along on gut feelings.

Hm, this may sound harsh to a friend, but please just leave this to the moderators.
Not only have I been moderator here long enough to have worked out a pretty well-founded agenda, I also work with kids on professional basis.
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Put more trust in moderators and less trust in PHP code.


ps.  of course, I would have banned the little fuck a year ago. Good thing it's not up to me.

[Adamski]

The biggest problem we have here is people making big deals out of these threads when they should really just ignore it if it isn't interesting to them. There's absolutely no need to made needless drama out of a harmless post, and yes we all know Flukeblake should really be out playing with children his own age but there's no need to constantly go through the same routine every time the kid makes a post.

If you don't care for the topic, don't reply! It's simple! And if you're reading this Flukeblake then feel free to make a fresh new topic on the subject of your holiday. I'd suggest waiting until it's over though, then you can provide us with a fuller account of your travels, and perhaps some pictures if you have any