Horror

[voh]

I am probably one of the few who owns both the American Ring and the original Rings. I've seen the Japanese Ring 0, 1 and 2, and even Spiral. They all sucked donkey... Well, you can guess the follow-up word on that one. The American version of numero uno was actually fairly well-done, and definitely more entertaining than the Japanese version, which was sadly lacking any kind of suspense.

Ju-on was fecking annoying and boring. The Grudge wasn't much better. Though the sound... That gargling sound coming from deep within. That still kind of creeps me out. I'm a regular Japanophile, but usually Japanese films are too slow-moving and too subtle for me. I want to go "OMG OMG OMG THAT WAS SCARY" from time to time. Ring did that twice, but did it well. Raised my neckhairs proper.

My favourite horror movie is Hellraiser. My favourite horror movie series is Hellraiser. I own Hellraiser 1 through VI and when I can get VII and VIII on DVD as well, I shall own them too.

I saw Sleepstalker a couple of days ago, it was incredibly boring. That the murderer guy would turn into a literal 'sandman' was horribly logical and predictable. Also, the acting sucked.

Nightbreed, based on Barker's Cabal, was an entertaining movie - but then again, I think Craig Sheffer is a dandy actor and thoroughly enjoyed his acting in Hellraiser V: Inferno, so I might be partial.

I love 80's/90's horror.

Rign isn't horror - it's more a psychological thriller than anything else. It's got suspense - sure, but it's not horror. Not in my book. Horror means at least two naked boobies on every two films in the series (Friday the 13th's really do keep up the balance) and lots of gushing blood. Original ways of dying gives extra credit, but especially new ways to make my skin crawl are awesome.

To quote Pinhead: "We bring pleasure where pleasure has been hollowed out - to bring experiences beyond pleasure. We are angels to some, and demons to other."

There is none as great as pinhead in the world of villains. And mostly because, quite frankly, Pinhead isn't evil. He's just fulfilling his part of the deal

[LimpingFish]

This thread is quite horrific... 

[Corey]

Asian horror movies just have style coz they dont have to let someone gte killed every 2 sec to make it interesting...

Err ... and what film does?

Most Americain horror movies are about a thing that kills people, and that most times bores me...

So you're saying that films like The Shining, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, American Psycho and Evil Dead are all the same because they involve people getting killed, and therefore they're all boring?

2.It's coz ... thats short for because (you didnt know that?? ohhh really didnt...??!!! ohh cute...)
3.yes , its my style... yeah... hehu... (many "..."s just to anoy you)

Please re-read the forum rules. Firstly, it is not acceptable to do things here "just to annoy people"; and secondly, the word you want to use is "because". The minimum age here is 16 -- if you are unable to act that age, please refrain from posting.

The Shining isnt boring BECAUSE it has a good story but that other movies. A killer on the lose , people get killed and the killer get killed (or something) and then he returns in part 2 & 3 ... C'mon we have seen that enough.

almost any movie you have mentioned ecept from the shinning does that.

and btw:

you all saying IT isnt scary is just bullshit. You all are just afraid that if you believe in Pennywise the nightmares will come back again

[Pet Terry]

I saw IT once. I even recorded it on tape. I laughed, oh how I laughed.

It's like all Stephen King's movies, the beginning is very good... and all of a sudden it becames just silly.

EDIT: Okay okay, not all movies by him, but many nevertheless!

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

Petteri, I think that's because usually when you read the book you sort of become entranced...ok, scratch that. WHen I read the book, I usually become entranced. The book weaves some spell and I don't really think it's silly - it's perfectly allright, and more often than not it's well told. The quality of his writing may be up for grabs, but he casts a spell on you.

Filmwise, this is MUCH harder. Kubrick (Shining), Carpenter (Christine), Darabont (Shawshank, Green Mile) and DePalma (Carrie) have pulled it off, but notice how they're all big names (except maybe for Darabont). I think it DOES take a big name (and all the quality that name carries) to convert a book like that into a film.

After all, come on - haunted hotel? Psah. A haunted car? Oo-er. A convict who performs miracles? Good for priests. A little girl who goes on a killing spree? Puh-leze.

But when you read the books or see the films, it doesn't sound so "oo-er" anymore, does it?

[esper]

Sorry, Corey, but I must agree with just about everyone else in here... IT is just not scary. It was a good idea, and I like it because of the comraderie betwen the characters (was it Rui that said Stephen King was good at making characters.... That's very true) but it was not once scary. It was actually more ludicrous. If I EVER saw Pennywise, I would probably wind up laying down the law... And then once he left, there would most likely be some manner of urination down the shower drain to remind him not to come back. However, I have to deny everyone who said zombie movies and serial killer movies and stuff like that are scary too. Once again, ludicrissimo...

And no, you aren't evil. Seriously. I USED to be evil. I know what it means to be evil. And, whichever way you cut it, whether you are just a confused teenager or a member of a cult that performs human sacrifices, evil is just plain stupid. I still require the occasional bit of omnicide because I hate people and hope to never become one, but the whole reason I DO hate people is because most of them don't seem to understand that we all share this friggin' world. There's a degree of respect involved. You can think you are a god, but you need to remember that everyone else has the right to believe the same thing of themselves.

I would wonder how many people that have been posting here actually BELIEVE in the supernatural... It's cool to read books and watch movie and all that crap... But how many people actually believe in the supernatural? Alot of us say we are atheists, which would mean there is no room for the supernatural... But anyone who believes in ANY kind of religion should believe in the supernatural or just not believe in their religion. You can't have one without the other... Tom Hanks (I forget your forum name, but you LOOK like Tom Hanks with a goatee), you're a Catholic... You should know that Ephesians 6 says "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalties and Powers..." It was very admirable that you said you believed in exorcisms... Most Catholic priests do not...

So then, in our discussion of horror movies and books, is there a little bit of room for REAL horror???

[Nine Toes]

You all are just afraid that if you believe in Pennywise the nightmares will come back again

I seriously hope that you don't actually beleive that. 

However, I have to deny everyone who said zombie movies and serial killer movies and stuff like that are scary too. Once again, ludicrissimo...

HERETIC!  HEATHEN!  Just kidding.  Zombie movies were really only scary for me when I was younger.  Now, zombies are just an obsession due to the extreme fear I had as a child for them.  You would not beleive THE NIGHTMARES I had from watching Return Of The Living Dead, and the music video for Michael Jackson's Thriller.

I would wonder how many people that have been posting here actually BELIEVE in the supernatural... It's cool to read books and watch movie and all that crap... But how many people actually believe in the supernatural? Alot of us say we are atheists, which would mean there is no room for the supernatural... But anyone who believes in ANY kind of religion should believe in the supernatural or just not believe in their religion. You can't have one without the other...

I prefer not to practice any religion, and I consider myself not to be of any denomination at all.  Not agnostic, not atheist, just nothing.  But I still do believe in the supernatural, in spite of that.  There are things in this universe that don't need to be explained with religion or faith.  There's always science, or a lack thereof, if you know what I mean by that.  I beleive in ghosts, I strongly believe I've seen one or two, and lately, I've been trying to catch them on film, and record EVP.  (putting my self at risk of having the rest of the forum laughing at me...) I also beleive in the existence of vampires, werewolves, aliens, and possibly zombies as well.  I'm not saying they DO exist, but I beleive that somehow it's possible.

*Hyde prepares for the barrage of rotten tomatoes about to be thrown at him*

[Pet Terry]

Actually, I haven't read IT, I just saw the film. But I saw Stephen King's version of The Shining, and then read the book, and I found the book hell lot of better than the film. Kubrick's version, on the other hand, it's teh rockrock.

Maybe it's just that I would do things other way than what they are. But the thing you said about it taking a big name to make a good film out of book, I don't think it's that. For example, I saw Carrie years ago, and I still have no idea who DePalma is. I shall investigate. But on the other hand, The Shining by Kubrick is good, because it's by Kubrick.

I do like many of King's ideas, but when the story goes on, they often turn silly (read: I wouldn't do it like that).

Spoiler

Dreamcatcher: Okay, it all starts out nice, when suddenly... aliens?! What on Earth? That was my impression when I first saw it... though that might be because I when I saw the trailers, they gave me different image of what to expect.

IT: Okay, use silver earrings on slingshot. Use slingshot on Pennywise. It works! Eh...
And another. Use asthma pipe on Pennywise. It works too! What the??!

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[Nine Toes]

Petey:  It was supposed to be all about "beleiving", when it came to the silver earrings, and the asthma inhaler.  "This is what will kill the thing of my nightmares"

You know, the one kid was having nightmares about the wolfman, and silver supposedly kills werewolves.  As for the asthma inhaler, I don't have a clue where that came from. 

[Andail]

I don't like splatter movies, but I kind of enjoy movies like the ring, the others and the shining, etc.

[esper]

I remember there was a reason for the asthma inhaler, but it's been too long... (get it.... IT's been too long... bwahahaha)...

Sorry for my open blasphemy, Hyde, but I didn't say I didn't LIKE zombie movies.... I just said they weren't scary. As a matter of fact, I really liked the remake of Dawn of the Dead, not because it was scary (which it wasn't) but because it was a good movie. I especially liked the part where they were making a game of killing zombies from the rooftop ("Get that one! It looks like Oprah!" "No, no, get Richard Simmons over there!")...

And you and I are gonna have to compare notes sometime. I'm a little shady on aliens, but I've been studying all things "paranormal" for quite some time, and have pretty much come to the conclusion that I believe in alot of what you said you believed in, and, more importantly, WHY I believe in it... As for filming and getting EVP's, I've been doing that since 1991... You'll get no rotten tomatoes from this direction...

[Pet Terry]

The Others! How could I forget that movie, I love it.

Sully: I see. I might as well go through my tapes to see if I could find IT somewhere, heh.

Also, I believe in supernatural, too. I'd like to encounter supernatural, but I probably would be really scared if I did. It's kind of like, when I was a kid, I found The X-Files very scary, because it had aliens, and the main theme is spooky (and they often advertised it on the telly at night, when it was dark... I'm afraid of the dark, you never know if there's something hiding in the shadows!). But I also wanted to watch it, because I found all the supernatural things interesting. It's still one of my favourite shows, ever. And Sully and esper, we shall became paranormal investigators!

Talking about aliens, I mentioned this mini series earlier in this thread, about alien abductions. It's not really horror, I guess, but it was horror enough for me when I was a kid. I couldn't sleep properly in ages because I was scared that aliens are coming to get me. Anyways.

Spoiler

There was this family, I think, and the mother was abducted. She became pregnant (I think!), and later gave birth to a boy (again, I think! I just remember that there was a boy). The boy was abducted too, in one part. The aliens put implants into their victims' noses. The aliens (that looked pretty much like your typical alien, like in The X-Files, for example) could walk through the walls, as far as I remember. There was a part where a woman saw some workers parking their on this woman's lawn in the middle of the night. But when she approached them, they turned into aliens! The following day, there was no trace of a car, but the are where the car was seen was burnt.

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Yeah, uhh, that's pretty much all I can remember. Anyone happen to know the name of the series?

[Ishmael]

I do believe in all kinds of supernatural things. I yeat have to see the ghosts, but I've heard them... Or actually, ghosts can't effect this world physcially, I think, so they must effect the mind to cause hallucinations and such. Sometimes I horrify myself by the amount of things I have been right about from the start, and nobody has believed me... I want to get a deck of tarot cards.

[esper]

Alot of people say that things like Tarot cards and Ouija boards are a way to unwittingly invite evil supernatural influences into your life. I just say that if you don't know what you're doing, it's not even worth your time to screw with them. Tarot cards, despite popular belief, AREN'T really "supernatural..." The whole idea of the cards is to unlock subconscious ideas and to help you better understand what you REALLY think about a problem, deep down. It could take years and years of messing with them to figure out exactly what you are doing. The best deck (read: most popular and widely used) is the Rider-Waite tarot deck. If you really want to use the Cards, I suggest you just go to www.facade.com and let the computer randomize a reading for you. The best way to go is to suggest Rider-Waite tarot deck, Celtic Cross spread, reversals, no significator. They also do rune readings, Stichomancy (fortunetelling by selecting a random passage from some preselected book), I Ching (which is really a type of stichomancy, but more detailed), numerology (finding out what numbers are important to you, such as dates and lucky numbers) and biorythyms (which takes into account your birthdate to find out exactly when your body should be in "tune" with it's physical, intellectual, and spiritual attributes). All of this is REALLY not supernatural, but more about your subconscious thought. Some might even argue that Biorythyms are quite scientific.

Also with the "non-supernatural supernatural" category is dream interpretation. NEVER trust anyone who says they can discern your dreams. They don't understand you and the deepness that is your personality. Dreams are devised entirely within our subconscious, and thus should only be interpreted by you, yourself.

[Corey]

You all are just afraid that if you believe in Pennywise the nightmares will come back again

I seriously hope that you don't actually beleive that. 

mahahahaha no. im just joking. It's just a dialog of IT lol 

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

Sorry for the late reply, Petteri - re Dreamcatcher, that plot-twist you described is, IMHO, a travesty. It's the final blow to a film that starts well and then veers off where the book as wise enough not to go. Also, what I meant about "big names" was not the fact that they WERE big, but the quality they carry with them. Brian DePalma is a pretty big name in the directing scene.

And re IT, Petteri, Mr. hyde has the right idea. King often turns to "why do certain symbols work". In kids, it's even easier because there's a lot more faith to go around. And once Father Calahan, in Salem's Lot, lost his faith, not even the cross could help him. That sort of thing.

[jetxl]

I used to believe in ghosts and aliens, but not anymore. I've seen too many fakes (darn lensflare).
Most of the time things are just what they look like. Sure, there are things that can't be explained, now. But lightning couldn't be explained eighter and now we all know it's not an angry Zeus/Thor/God but just massive static electricity.

There is a "theory" that states that when someone dies, the electricity in the brain is discharged. This is kept togheter and can become self aware. This is the only sientific theory of ghosts.

Esper: I don't know what the supernatural has to do with religion, since that was around before [Name Your Messiah Here].

[esper]

jet: My point is not that supernatural has anything to do with religion. It is that every religion is supernatural in and of itself, and if people claim to be religious, they should either believe in the possibility of the supernatural or just not believe in their religion. I can probably, if given enough time, come up with a quote from almost every "holy book" in existence that says to believe in the supernatural, yet most religions don't. I can quote about fifty or so passages from the Judeo Christian scriptures that say the paranormal is real, and yet a friend of mine who was going to seminary was recently kicked out after trying to explain he was having supernatural problems. Although the Bible references hundreds of supernatural events, beings, and instances, and although the work of Christians and Jews alike has, for thousands of years, contained grimoires of Kabbalistic and Ceremonial Magick, he was told "The only real demons in this world are drugs and alcohol." My point is, religion doesn't EXIST without the supernatural, and anyone who believes in a religion but not the existance of unexplainable phenomena that might very well be caused by intelligences outside this physical sphere is a hypocrite and a bloody moron.

And in reference to what you had said about the theory with the electricity, etc... According to the law of conservation of energy, Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only moved from one medium into another. People who use the theory you mentioned believe that the electrical impulses in the synapses of the brain are, after death, without a medium in which to transfer whatever their original purpose was. However, since it still exists, these electrical impulses can be converted by anyone entering their sphere of influence into what is known as an "unintelligent," "revenant," or "residual" haunt, where the events which were at one point in time represented by the electrical impulses in question are played back with limited or no interaction with the viewer.

[Ishmael]

I wasn't going supernatural with the cards, just to try to "see" the future, or something. Thanks for the link

Btw. What does "Cthulhu F'thagn" mean?

[HillBilly]

I used to believe in ghosts and aliens, but not anymore.

Believe.

Well, some of the stuff there is obviously fake, but fun to watch anyway.