New Bible Translation Promotes Fornication

LGM · Wed 30/06/2004 18:14:44

I get a little miffed when people mock the Bible or call the Bible and Religion rubbish without any backing to the claim.

But I try not to say anything... I want to defend my religion, but it's pointless to argue with it on the interent were ultimately nobody gives a damn. If we were having a discussion IRL, in a room.. I'd be knocking some heads together.

I guess I should say, have some respect for the ones who have devoted their life to God. Would you like it if someone totally belittled something you've believed and spent your whole life on? Don't think so.

Anyways.. There's my pennies.

Migs · Wed 30/06/2004 18:27:58

Couldn't agree more, DG. I love the Bible as much as any Christian, but I recognize the value of diversity in religious beliefs; in fact, I consider our religious diversity one of the most important parts of humanity. There's also nothing wrong with laughing at oneself. That new translation of the Bible is hardly detrimental to Christianity, and I wager most Christians will steer clear of it.

Religion is a very personal thing, and I feel it's inappropriate to try to force others to adopt your viewpoints by silly argumentation. And I certainly don't tell people they're going to hell. I have enough flaws of my own to keep me occupied, so why worry about the supposed flaws of others?

The only thing I don't like is when people quickly dismiss religion with a wave of the hand and consider any religious person a short-minded imbecile. Some of the greatest thinkers in history have been religious, such as Plato, Thomas Aquinas, Al-Ghazali, Gandhi, Nagarjuna, et al.

Migs · Wed 30/06/2004 18:32:59

Quote from: [lgm] on Wed 30/06/2004 18:14:44But I try not to say anything... I want to defend my religion, but it's pointless to argue with it on the interent were ultimately nobody gives a damn. If we were having a discussion IRL, in a room.. I'd be knocking some heads together.

I tend to agree. There are other forums for religious debate. I actually enjoy the occasional religious debate elsewhere, but I really don't think the AGS Forums are the place for it. We're adventure game hobbyists, not divinity school students.

SSH · Wed 30/06/2004 18:38:45

Let's have a debate about double-posting instead

You obviously haven't noticed the new forum feature when composing a reply that all the stuff in the "Topic Summry" below your message window have an "Insert Quote" link...

Migs · Wed 30/06/2004 18:55:57

Yes. I'm aware that I double-posted, but I clicked the Send button before I thought about it. I'm hellbound for sure now.

Blackthorne · Wed 30/06/2004 20:00:54

Quote from: Raggit on Wed 30/06/2004 15:37:19
Does everybody here have some major issues about Christians??

Yeah, they killed more people than Hilter.

Bt

Ghormak · Wed 30/06/2004 20:03:26

But church music (pre 19th century) rocks, so it kind of balances the whole thing out.

LGM · Wed 30/06/2004 20:14:13

When I said you all were going to hell.. That was a joke.. Just to clear that up.. lol

SSH · Wed 30/06/2004 20:41:12

Quote from: Blackthorne519 link=topic=14999.msg184179#msg184179
Yeah, they killed more people than Hilter.

SInce Hilter killed no-one, that's quite easy, really.

Hitler, on the other hand...

MrColossal · Wed 30/06/2004 21:07:36

I also don't think that Hitler killed anyone...

Redwall · Wed 30/06/2004 21:11:23

He killed Eva Braun and himself...

veryweirdguy · Wed 30/06/2004 21:13:12

True, there is no actual proof that Hitler even ordered the killing of the people in concentration camps. I mean, I'm not saying that he didn't, but there is no concrete proof for it. And Hitler never actually killed anyone himself (I mean with his own hands).

Sorry, just thought I'd add that.......

EDIT - Redwall - there's no proof of that either

I don't think they ever found the bodies.

Darth Mandarb · Wed 30/06/2004 21:15:44

Quote from: MrColossal on Wed 30/06/2004 21:07:36I also don't think that Hitler killed anyone...

Well ... his name is never on any of the documents involving the systematic murders of millions of jews but ...

Also, my theory is that Hitler killed his own neice.

He made it look like a suicide ... but I think he did it.Ã,Â He didn't approve of the guy she was bangin' and he was secretly in love with her.Ã,Â I think it was in Munich ...

"If I can't have her ..." type of thing.

And Eva Braun took the cyanide capsule and shot herself I thought? And they supposedly found the bodies, after they had been burned. Hitler didn't want his body strung up in public like his 'good buddy' Benito.

Gregjazz · Wed 30/06/2004 23:41:54

Okay, I just had to laugh about that part with the "simplified names" for Biblical characters.

...and then "dipped" instead of "baptized". Seriously, folks, I don't believe there was anything wrong with The Message, but this is just a bit too far. Okay, MUCH too far.

I hope it doesn't catch on. Probably the most it'll do is start yet another cult.

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As far as that "discussing religion" thing goes, I don't see what makes everyone go all wacko about it. Actually, I think it's more like "discussing Christianity", not just "discussing religion".

And why do people have such a negative reaction against discussion of Christianity? The answer would start a whole new argument that would eventually get locked by The Moderators.

PaulSC · Thu 01/07/2004 00:35:56

Quote from: Migs on Wed 30/06/2004 18:27:58The only thing I don't like is when people quickly dismiss religion with a wave of the hand and consider any religious person a short-minded imbecile.Ã,Â Some of the greatest thinkers in history have been religious, such as Plato, Thomas Aquinas, Al-Ghazali, Gandhi, Nagarjuna, et al.

The thing is, that last bit doesn't really change anything. What it all boils down to is that atheists generally don't believe in god because no one, great thinker or not, has ever been able to give them a solid, objective reason why they *should* believe, or why it actually matters whether they do or don't in the first place.

When you looking at life from that perspective it's hard to understand how people can happily hold these extremely specific beliefs without any solid, objective reason at all, and frankly "these people are either deluded, or idiots. Or both" is quite an easy conclusion to jump to. I agree that a lot of atheists should probably be a bit more tactful and tolerant about the whole thing, though (including me).

Sorry, I know you don't want to start a discussion, but... I'm just an argumentitive jerk, I guess.

Blackthorne · Thu 01/07/2004 02:19:19

Quote from: Ghormak on Wed 30/06/2004 20:03:26
But church music (pre 19th century) rocks, so it kind of balances the whole thing out.

You are so right. I dig the masses, funeral chants and such. Anything by Handel or Haydn is great. My favorite...... Lacrymosa by Mozart..... man, it kills me.

Bt

Blackthorne · Thu 01/07/2004 02:20:33

Quote from: SSH on Wed 30/06/2004 20:41:12
Quote from: Blackthorne519 link=topic=14999.msg184179#msg184179
Yeah, they killed more people than Hilter.

SInce Hilter killed no-one, that's quite easy, really.

Hitler, on the other hand...

No I meant Hilter! He's a baddass mofo!

MrColossal · Thu 01/07/2004 02:27:03

Quote from: PaulSC on Thu 01/07/2004 00:35:56

When you looking at life from that perspective it's hard to understand how people can happily hold these extremely specific beliefs without any solid, objective reason at all

But what solid reason do you have that there is no god?

Can we agree that modern science knows less than 1 percent of the known universe? The rest is inferred through looking at our part of the universe and saying "The rest of the universe must act this way also." [in an extremely simplified way]

Can you tell me without a shadow of a doubt that 500 million lightyears away there isn't a popsicle stand floating in space? And if so, how do you know this for sure?

e-dog

LGM · Thu 01/07/2004 02:39:39

Which is why some science is flawed... I mean.. They've proven that something can't be created from nothing... So, uh.. Where did this supposed "goo" come from that us humans crawled out of?

You could list all these reasons and theories... But if they're physical things that created this goo; then where did THAT come from...

It keeps going... Ergo it's a flaw in Evolution... Ergo Evolution is a theory.

And to go along with this... Carbon dating is also a very flawed scientific THEORY... It's alot of guesswork and based off of equations and concepts that even themselves can't fully be proven to be 100% absolutely correct.

That's the thing about life... Not EVERYTHING can be a solid, known fact... If everything was certain, what fun would life be?

Christianity is based alot off of just having faith that God is actually there... So all these half baked scientific theories are thrown in to test it... At least that's my opinion.

Nobody knows for certain about Christianity... (Or any other religion, for that matter.) You can fight about it all you want.. But it all boils down to that fact.

Opinions are opinions... Never are they facts.

More pennies for the populous:)

Unilin · Thu 01/07/2004 03:35:40

Actually, the laws of conservation of energy allow that something can come from nothing, just so long as an equal amount of negative something also come from nothing at the same time, such that the net total of everything is still nothing. It's sneaky, but it works. That's currently the theory about how the universe came into being, all the energy in the universe is equal to all the negative (potential) energy. Right now, from all the calculations, it does appear that the net energy of the universe is about 0, it might as well not exist from an accounting prespective.