on the feeding of trolls...

[LimpingFish]

[Guybrush Nosehair]

Given certain recent events . . . I felt the need to post my feelings on the feeding of trolls. 

I don't get it. I haven't posted here in a while  .

Seriously though, I appreciate this thread. Some people keep feeding the trolls... Darth...

[monkey0506]

Do I really get to be the one to do this??

Oh happy day! 8)

First though, let's look at some layman's definitions:

can't: cannot
can't not: cannot not; can
cannot: the opposite of can (v.); the inability to do something
can (v.): the ability to do something

Okay, now that we've got that out of the way..

I can't stop posting unnecessary stuff but I can't not stop PMQ.

See, straight from the horse's mouth. It is beyond the realm of earthly possibility for icey to discontinue posting, quote, "unnecessary stuff". It is, however, entirely possible for him to immediately and without further qualification required, discontinue the PMQ series (and all spin-offs) in its entirety.

Aren't words fun?

I can't criticize no one, because I'm not very good at writing, but my English it's not native so I have an excuse.
Nevertheless, you sometimes write as if you didn't knew what the words mean, like "effects me", I'm guessing you tried to say "affects me" or "I tend to stay quite" my guess is "I tend to stay quiet". It's like you have never read a book. You should try to get some professional help because it's going to be difficult finding a decent job writing like that.

Even though a word is in my vocab if I don't use the word a lot I end up forget how it's supposed to be spelled. For example: When I was young I knew both the words because & picture. However when I learned how to spell Picture I forgot how to because, Then it became the other way around. But when I made it to a higher grade I soon remembered them both.

Firstly, Mati your English is quite well for a non-native speaker (especially when pointing out other people's mistakes, spot on). Also, thank you for saying this.

As for you though icey, I don't think any of us realized that your brain operated solely in RAM with no long-term memory. Seriously, who the hell forgets how to spell one word just because they learnt to spell another? It's not even remotely the same phonetic theme. Maybe if the two words in your example were homophones, then maybe I'd believe you. But for now, I'm writing this off as yet another blatant troll-lie.

[Guybrush Nosehair]

Firstly, Mati your English is quite well

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It's actually quite funny. Last time I used that image, it was in response to one of Icey's quotes. I forgive you, though.

Anyway Icey, do what I do. If you can't spell something correctly, look up the word. Use Dictionary.com or Google. Also, you should have a spell-checker installed at ALL TIMES!

[monkey0506]

I'm sorry, but I used the adjective well to describe the noun (English, specifically that of Mati) as being "satisfactory or good" (definition 7). I don't exactly see the problem there. Even if others did contest me, I would still defend it as being accurate spoken grammar within the laws of common Amerikaan English.

[Ultra Magnus]

Aahahahaha. Let's all point and laugh at the kid with learning difficulties. Aahahahaha. He seems to have trouble understanding concepts that I can easily comprehend. Aahahahaha. It's funny because he's inferior to me. Aahahahaha. We should taunt, tease, humiliate and generally bully him until he just GIVES UP TRYING TO DO THE THINGS HE ENJOYS AND FUCKS OFF! AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[WHAM]

I can feel a disturbance in the Force. It is as if the sacred AGS forums were being divided into two...

I dislike this.

Perhaps it is time to end this discussion here, before any true damage is done. If AGS forums' moderation does not react to suspected trolls, then this thinly veiled argument is pointless. I may not agree with the situation, but we can only demand so much from anyone.

[Khris]

I can't stop posting unnecessary stuff but I can't not stop PMQ. It is not a Square wanna be anymore & hasn't been for a while but it is my sieres and I plan to finish it. Some are simple to make & the ones that are harder might not be made with AGS. Also I have plenty of other games that are to be made that were created by the Studio3 team. And that includes Gear blade.DX.

I assume you meant "I can stop posting unnecessary stuff" ...
Also, regardless of what YOU think, I'm fairly sure every other person here perceives every single one of your games as Square wannabe, and that's what counts. (This is something you still don't understand: if you present ten people with something and all of them say it's a turd, it won't stop being perceived as a turd by them just because you say it isn't a turd. To them, it's still a turd. Try to remember this.)

If you must do a square game, why can't you do a simple but polished adventure game set in the Square universe?
Just quit all the pretentious facebook/ESRB/CATB/online bullshit. QUIT IT NOW.
Drop trying to emulate RPG battles until you can actually code RPG battles.
Stick to what you can do and don't forget to turn on your brain in the mornings and this community might yet give you the chance of being taken seriously again.

[Dualnames]

This isn't even worth fighting for. I have no statements or thoughts or opinions to add anymore. I mean advice-wise, you/we've told him all there is to it. Now, let time take over.

This whole thing will end up completely retarded in several posts.

[Darth Mandarb]

I can feel a disturbance in the Force. It is as if the sacred AGS forums were being divided into two...
I dislike this.

I dislike it too... it's another example of how trolls can disrupt a community's over-all vibe.

It really was not my intention for this to turn into troll food/bait or cause any division ... I just wanted an honest discussion on the feeding of trolls.

It may be too late to turn this away from what it has become but I wanted to share another opinion on the matter;  

I'm struggling to express myself in regards to this situation. Trolls, to me, are usually the "This game is lame!" or "Kill teh gayz!" shitweasel type, whose sole purpose is to derail general forum life.

I agree this is part of a troll's repertoire.  To my mind a troll is anybody seeking attention and doing anything to get that attention.  They will do/say something obviously wrong, or off, or silly, or an easy-to-detect lie, etc. simply because they know it'll generate a response.  They crave the attention.  Some trolls just revel in the attention and are blatant about it (as-in your example), others disguise and claim they don't know why people think this thus perpetuating the trolling in an endless cycle.

As I mentioned before; Let's say somebody thought this thread was about them (even though no names were mentioned) and they post in here to proclaim their innocence and try to justify their troll behavior.  This is trolling.  It's turning the focus onto themselves and thus sparking pages of troll v anti-troll posts.  The non-trolling thing to do would have been to simply not post at all and prove the [assumed] implication false.  But a troll cannot do this as that would not satiate the craving for attention.  The purpose of this thread, for my part, was not to provide this "troll bait" but it was, I think, inevitable that a thread like this could be viewed/used as such given the subject matter.

I knew this would devolve as it did (just the nature of things) but I did get some good insight into my initial musings so to those who provided these insights, I give thanks.

[Ali]

Let's say somebody thought this thread was about them (even though no names were mentioned) and they post in here to proclaim their innocence and try to justify their troll behavior.  This is trolling.  It's turning the focus onto themselves and thus sparking pages of troll v anti-troll posts.  The non-trolling thing to do would have been to simply not post at all and prove the [assumed] implication false.

I respect what you have to say Darth, but there is a witch trial logic to that. Defending yourself from an accusation can't make you guilty of that accusation.

I accept that you didn't mention Studio 3 by name, but he was clearly the reason for the thread.

[Stupot]

[As I mentioned before; Let's say somebody thought this thread was about them (even though no names were mentioned) and they post in here to proclaim their innocence and try to justify their troll behavior.  This is trolling.

Not necessarily.  It could just be a guy quite rightfully trying to defend himself, because an entire new thread has been created for the sole purpose of calling him a troll.  Unfortunately, the accused troll in question has been forced into a position of having to constantly explain himself and defend his every move, and each time he does that, his post is picked apart for grammar and spelling errors and he is forced to explain himself again and ad infinitum.

He's only a troll insofar as he's been given that label.  But if we take away that label for a minute, what we've really got is just a highly enthusiastic and energetic young game-developer in the making, who's unfortunately not brilliant at spelling.

[Darth Mandarb]

I respect what you have to say Darth, but there is a witch trial logic to that. Defending yourself from an accusation can't make you guilty of that accusation.

No accusation was made against a specific person so there would be no need to defend one's self from it.  To do so indicates guilt, rather than defending from it.

It's like if a cop says, "John Doe was murdered last night!" and the person he is saying that to immediately replies with, "I didn't have anything to do with that!"  No accusation was made, so why did the guy feel the need to proclaim his innocence?

I accept that you didn't mention Studio 3 by name, but he was clearly the reason for the thread.

I find it funny how everybody is certain who this thread is about!

Not necessarily.  It could just be a guy quite rightfully trying to defend himself, because an entire new thread has been created for the sole purpose of calling him a troll

But I didn't call anybody a troll.  So why should this (or any) person feel the need to post in here defending themselves?  To troll for attention.

As WHAM pointed out all this is accomplishing is division ... this wasn't my intent.  I really don't wish to continue a discussion about perceived/assumed slights to anybody in particular.

Since so many of us in here seem to think it's possible to redeem a troll perhaps we could find a way to put this train back on the rails and get back to the original premise of the thread?

[Matti]

This thread is stupid 

[Ultra Magnus]

They will do/say something obviously wrong, or off, or silly, or an easy-to-detect lie, etc. simply because they know it'll generate a response.

Like following someone around the forum, replying to every one of their posts by teasing them about every misplaced apostrophe. Or continually telling them that nobody cares about the stuff they care about, so they should just stop doing it. By my count, there are 5 or 6 trolls around here, none of which is Icey.

This used to be a nice neighbourhood until that new kid moved in, now all the other kids have suddenly turned into bullies. They never used to bully each other, so we're entirely justified in blaming the new kid for being an easy target.

[Snarky]

No accusation was made against a specific person so there would be no need to defend one's self from it.  To do so indicates guilt, rather than defending from it.

It's like if a cop says, "John Doe was murdered last night!" and the person he is saying that to immediately replies with, "I didn't have anything to do with that!"  No accusation was made, so why did the guy feel the need to proclaim his innocence?

I accept that you didn't mention Studio 3 by name, but he was clearly the reason for the thread.

I find it funny how everybody is certain who this thread is about!

Not necessarily.  It could just be a guy quite rightfully trying to defend himself, because an entire new thread has been created for the sole purpose of calling him a troll

But I didn't call anybody a troll.  So why should this (or any) person feel the need to post in here defending themselves?  To troll for attention.

I think you're being a bit disingenuous, Darth. No, you didn't name any names, but you gave specific details that clearly identified who you were talking about. For example that it's someone whose spelling is constantly being corrected, and who gets unheeded advice to change his attitude, and is often mocked and called a troll, but is also defended and found funny by some people. And you posted this a couple of days after the latest burst of iceyness.

Just because you didn't explicitly say it doesn't mean you didn't communicate it clearly to anyone who knows the situation. So yeah, you did make an accusation. And therefore the accused should have the opportunity to defend himself. As Ali said, to claim that disputing the accusation is proof of the accusation amounts to witch trial-logic.

On the subject of trolls, a troll to me is someone who tries to piss people off for fun by posting stuff they don't really mean. If it's sincere or it's not malicious, then it's not trolling, it's just someone who happens to push your buttons. Merely seeking attention (particularly if it's not specifically negative attention) does not by itself amount to trolling. For example, someone who creates cool and attractive adventure games and posts them here is not trolling, even if he or she does it only because of a craving for attention and praise.

[ddq]

How silly.

[Icey]

See darth, Other people notice it and what I mean in my reply's despite how I spell. You didn't say my name however you you posted this the same day(I think) I made the post about AGS/Facebook. You say you didn't call no body a troll! You said troll about 29 times in your first post. That is the most I have seen anyone say troll in a single post. P.S. I can also make it 30 if I include the topic name.

[Khris]

They will do/say something obviously wrong, or off, or silly, or an easy-to-detect lie, etc. simply because they know it'll generate a response.

Like following someone around the forum, replying to every one of their posts by teasing them about every misplaced apostrophe. Or continually telling them that nobody cares about the stuff they care about, so they should just stop doing it. By my count, there are 5 or 6 trolls around here, none of which is Icey.

This used to be a nice neighbourhood until that new kid moved in, now all the other kids have suddenly turned into bullies. They never used to bully each other, so we're entirely justified in blaming the new kid for being an easy target.

You seem to have missed the last one or two years of Icey threads. We are the trolls? Riiiiight.

[Icey]

Regardless of who is the troll or not. You don't have to constantly pick on me. If you don't like what I post then you don't have to respond with a negative attitude. It's not like I am going to make like 5 topic consisting of the same thing just because I am "looking for attention".

Oh and Btw.

The post about adding a like button to my sig or on my topic turned out to be a fail. However I found that is was possible but I had go into the HTML of the page to insert a like button. Yes it was sorta a waste of time but I proved that it was possible. And I think the forums design is quite dull. It's seems like it's been this way for a while now. It wouldn't kill to add a like button or a connect button so that people can click that button and log right in while being connected to Facebook or twitter I think. But that's my opinion.