Russia and Georgia.

[Nacho]

The reason? Suggesting that "I am spreading misconceptions and inaccurate informations because I am a xenophobe that can't feel empathy for conflicts that are not phisically close to me".

I don' t know about you, but if somebody suggests that reffering to me, I tend to reply, you know?

[Snarky]

Sorry, but the "Nacho is spreading misconceptions and inaccurate informations" argument that you are using as a base for your latest posts is starting to touch my balls a bit...

Georgia is not Europe. At least geographically, its north boarder line coincides exactly with the accepted division between Europe and Asia

Oh, FFS!

Now you are relying on outright lies, and for what? Just so you can continue to maintain that Georgia is not in Europe, not even the tiniest bit. How can you make that claim with a straight face, when you already implicitly conceded that the country has parts in both Europe and Asia? There is so much documentation of this point, it doesn't even matter where to point you to: all credible sources say the same thing. Some half-assed Mapquest screen doesn't change that.



Geographically, it straddles the border between Europe and Asia. (I'll take that as read and ignore your latest nonsense.) Politically, it is overwhelmingly if not universally classified as European. For example, both the EU and the Council of Europe have it as part of Europe, it's found in the European section of newspapers and other news sources that group stories by continent (well, all those I've checked: BBC, The Economist, CNN, Le Monde, El Pais, ...), and commentators and politicians both from the US and Europe have in recent weeks frequently made reference to it as a European country. For instance, the US Ambassador to the UN, Zalmay Khalilzad, was mocked for saying that "the days of overthrowing leaders by military means in Europe, those days are gone"--incidentally proving my point that this kind of classification does make a difference to people.

All your posts go to the same direction. Assuming that I have some feelings that I don' t have. Putting in my head ideas that I haven't expressed. I told you once, and I repeat. That "attitudes" are not mine, so, it' s impossible that you have found them in me. From where do that ideas come from? I don' t know, but maybe you should examine yourself before starting psychoanalysing me, dude.

I have not said that the attitudes are yours. I pointed out earlier in the discussion that I'm not saying you personally believe those things. You are the one casting aspersions on my motives and grossly distorting what I'm saying. Kindly cut it out.

[Nacho]

See the country under the letters thar form the word "C A U C A S O"?

It'  s Georgia. It' s painted in light yellow. There' s a reason for that.

The reason is that Goergia is not Europe.

I don' t mind if you have read somewhere that "It' s an european conflict". I agree that it' s a conflict that enters into the Western/Occident/European sphere, but it' s not Europe. Same when there was a  conflict in Cyprus between pro-turks and pro-greeks. It was a conflict concerning us, but it was not happening in European territory.

One more question: Switzerland is a weird contry with a weird political status towards Europe... Some of them do not consider Europe. Let' s imagine that Switzerland was not considered as European at all by everybody... According to your opinion (We must consider political arguments to label a country as European or not, in spite of geographical ones), that conflict shouldn' t be European. Sorry, but saying that if there is a war in Switzerland it shouldn' t be an European war is silly. And considering a civil war in Switzerland as a non-european war is what we should do if we follow your opinions.

All your posts go to the same direction. Assuming that I have some feelings that I don' t have. Putting in my head ideas that I haven't expressed. I told you once, and I repeat. That "attitudes" are not mine, so, it' s impossible that you have found them in me. From where do that ideas come from? I don' t know, but maybe you should examine yourself before starting psychoanalysing me, dude.

I have not said that the attitudes are yours. I pointed out earlier in the discussion that I'm not saying you personally believe those things. You are the one casting aspersions on my motives and grossly distorting what I'm saying. Kindly cut it out.

Then, sorry, but recognise that saying that "Nacho is spreading misconceptions and innacurate informations" and then linking that info I give with "the attitudes" you criticise can easilly be taken as offensive.

[Andail]

Guys, unless you can steer this thread towards either something more on-topic or at least more entertaining, I'm locking it.

[Stupot]

I know it's popular to rubbish everything Wikipedia has to offer... but for the purposes of putting an end to this conflict (and I'm not talking about South Ossetia), I'm going to direct both parties to the following link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)

And the very first sentence of the article which reads:

"Georgia... is a transcontinental country in the Caucasus region, partially in Eastern Europe and partially in Southwestern Asia."

So you're both right...
Now boys, can't we learn to live together in peace and let the men with the tanks do the real fighting?

[Snarky]

That's what I've been arguing all along, since my very first post in this thread!

Actually, geographically, culturally and historically, Georgia is in Europe. Yes, it's a remote outpost (though not too far away from Ukraine) that few people in the core European countries are more than dimly aware of, and the border with Asia runs through the country, but it is in fact European.

In deference to Andail (and the rest of you), I'll spare you the message I'm PMing to Nacho, referencing the various definitions of Europe's geographical border and showing that Georgia straddles all of them. If this argument continues, it will do so in private.

[Nacho]

No need to. I am okay with you, but I know what I think, what I said, and you won' t convince me to the opposite. If you feel you want to pm to say that there have been no hard feelings or something don't do it, everything is forgotten.

EDIT: Received your PM. It' s cool. Pitty I don' t like PM debates. I don' t know why Andail threatens to cut this, specially after seeing how nobody did nothing when the first thread of gen gen was systematically hijacked over two months by a 20 pages thread which posts basically said:

Stickam in ten minutes! Name of the room: WeAresCool. Password: TehPen154.

But it's ok. No hard feelings to anybody, I am in a zen state after mittens. I am working in some sprites and they are cool.

[space boy]

Nacho, the thread is moved from gen gen so you can stop crapping over it.

[Obi]

So you don't like Stickam, or indeed Stickam threads. We all know that, I get upset by people who take a dislike to Stickam or Stickam threads because I love them so much. You see I wake up in the morning and the first thing I need to know is where the Stickam room is, and now that it's in the Popular threads board I couldn't be happier! As for saying there would be a password is ludicrous! We in the Stickam room welcome all, even you if you'd like to come join in the mass debates we have sometimes. And also young Chevy Chase is always joking around. see!

[Nacho]

You are so funny! ^_^

[Shoni]

Yeah, been following this myself right from the start,  it's atually quite painful to know see the sovereign state of Georgia still occupied by those Ruskies, But still, i cant bring myself to doubt  for a second that georgia  deserves everything it gets. Yes it's blunt and biased,  but pumping lead into russian nationals at the very doorway of their own country just because they have internationally legal passport documents is just as foolish.

Genocide is not good. And as for Political and supportive involvement againts russia's actions of any nations from the EU, or even the United states infact, disgusts me just as much.

They don't particulary care about Georgia itself, Beit a sovereign state, or part of the EU, actions like these are only met by means of military support, of which the results pave the way for the US and the UK to set up office.

Rant over!

[TerranRich]

I find it funny that everybody in the U.S. government were saying that countries are not supposed to invade other sovereign countries, yet that's exactly what we did, and are continuing to do, in Iraq.

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

But the war on terror is a just war!


Just oil, just military-industrial complex self-interests....

[TerranRich]

Well, the thing is, "might makes right" and only the U.S. can invade other countries. Watch out Great Britain, you're next! *flexes*

[Shoni]

 Posted by: TerranRich      Posted on: Today at 04:07
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Well, the thing is, "might makes right" and only the U.S. can invade other countries. Watch out Great Britain, you're next! *flexes*

Another Member with the same pie-in-the-sky ideology as usual:D

Unfortunately Uncle sam youv'e just been Nullified. Russia has just decided to Join that little game you all play over there in your Ranche's, and Rows upon Rows of tanks, Aeroplanes, and Bombs and all that other potentialy lethal stuff you all have under your homes! Yet you won't compete will you, Russia would Kick the strappy ass of your mass producing pop-on, pop-off conveyer belt back to it's gun slinging western desert, where you can all play your own war games even more, lax yeah, without being disturbed. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww!

Here's the real info pal;

The Eu's economy will shame the US's within  the next few years. Guaranteed!

Nuke us brits, and we'll nuke You fuckers back! No matter how big you are!  Also Guaranteed!

The only difference between the Uk and the US, is that the The UK Woke up!
And that's the difference between reality, and being American. Well known!


Stupid American! Bye Bye forever. Noobster. Go away!

[Akatosh]

Where do you live, Shoni? I have a dictionary to spare, and since I think you need one, I could mail it over.

[Shoni]

Where do you live, Shoni? I have a dictionary to spare, and since I think you need one, I could mail it over.

Where do you live? Perhaps i might do the same thing.  Don't tell me, your'e not going to tell me are you. In which case neither will i tell you! I'm not sacrastic, i'm just a grumpy bastard. And that's at the best of times. So i wouldn't recommend pissing me off!

Another Misinformed User, two in as many minutes.

Time to cancel my own account i think. Either that or carry on showing you all just how brave and fantastically defensive i am against you inexperienced cretins.

Seen it, heard it all before, i'm already sick of you. i'm going. Bye Bye.

[Akatosh]

Actually, I meant that you probably misinterpreted TerranRich's comment as serious - which it wasn't. He was just being sarcastic, as was I. But judging to your reply to my post, I'm starting to think you could really need that dictionary... 

[RickJ]

Don't feed the troll.   

[Akatosh]

I know. I was hoping for more drama gold like "Time to cancel my own account i think. Either that or carry on showing you all just how brave and fantastically defensive i am against you inexperienced cretins.", but sadly, it didn't work.  :'(