Star Wars: EPISODE III Thread

[Blackthorne]

The stupid names Lucas comes up with are a testament to his loss of any talent he ever had.Ã,  Look out, I've got a bad case of Sith's Revenge (goes to the crapper).

"The Revenge of the Sith" is a direct correlation to the title "The Return of the Jedi".

I don't think it's a bad title.  "A New Hope"?  Thank god most people just know that film as "Star Wars". 

"The Phantom Menace" & "Attack of the Clones", yeah those names aren't so catchy, but they are rather B-Serial like, which was the intent of Star Wars in the first place.

Bt

[Darth Mandarb]

I think The Phantom Menace is a cool title ... when you think about who the menace is and how evil and deceiving he is.Ã,  It's just kind of fitting.

Attack of the Clones bites ass.Ã,  I've never liked this title.Ã,  The movie should have been called The Clone Wars, or Birth of the Empire (which would also have been a cool title for epIII).

Revenge of the Sith is a perfect title, in my opinion, for epIII.

Title Comparison
A New Hope vs. The Phantom Menace
Birth of the Empire vs. The Empire Strikes Back^{(fits better to my mind)}
Revenge of the Sith vs. Return of the Jedi

Keep this in mind.Ã,  When Star Wars came out in '77, if GL had put Jedi in the title everybody would have been like, "What the hell is a Jedi??"Ã,  But by '83 EVERYbody [who cared about Star Wars (and even some who didn't)] were well aware of what a Jedi was.Ã,  So the title made sense.Ã,  Sith is never mentioned in the OT, but by ep.III, after seeing ep1 and 2, we've heard the word many times and those who care understand the third film's title.

While there is much in the first two prequals I'm not crazy about, I still anticipate the third (and final) film with high hopes.

"C'mon George ol' buddy don't let me down!!"
^{true SW fans'll get the reference!}

[Blackthorne]

In the original scripts and novelization of "Star Wars"  Vader is refered to as "The Dark Lord of the Sith" although in the films SITH is never actually spoken.

Bt

[jetxl]

New, flashy trailer. http://movies.channel.aol.com/feature/starwars/main.adp

[Helm]

My opinion boils down to this:

I've seen all the star wars movies so far. The original trilogy has at least five situations, quotes, stuff that I will always remember. They left a lasting impression on me. I don't consider them great films, but they had these moments. I can hardly remember anything in episode 1 and 2 besides an overwhelming feeling of awful.

[Reptile]

You're all a bunch of Star Wars haters, all the star wars films were amazing. I am sure this film will be very good too. I wish they would actually make a movie out of the Jedi Knight game series, the story in that game is amazing and the characters have an amazing amount of depth and story. I got the whole series. 

[Sylpher]

Care to go into further depth into what exactly makes them amazing? A person falling out of an airplane at an altitude of 3,000 feet and living is amazing without explination. Your comment is not.

[sedriss]

Reptile, I challange you to a lightsaber duel on JK2!

also, i'd rather see movies based on the KOTOR games.

[veryweirdguy]

I think I've done the Star Wars rant before, but hey, no one listens to me anyway, so I might as well not be listened to now as well.....:

Star Wars is quite possibly the most overrated movie series in cinematic history.

I don't HATE the series (series including the original trilogy too), but I still fail to see what is so special about them, I do not understand the cult following they have. I acknowledge the impact they have had on pop culture & whatnot, but I still don't see WHY. The story is fair enough, a relatively simple "good vs evil" concept, and that does them credit. I just don't see anything else about them that makes them outstanding.....the acting is wooden, the direction is nothing special.

The special effects in the OT were revolutionary, and as a result were worth watching in the sense of them being historical, nothing like this had been attempted so well before then, but now big ol' Lucas had edited and "inproved" all of them that has kind of defeated their purpose, and so they have lost one of the tihngs that have saved them in my book.

As for the new trilogy (and by trilogy I mean eps I & II) I don't see why so many HATE them. I think they're just about as good as the 70s ones in terms of acting etc, and the special effects are again an example of up-to-the-monent technology (although I would probably argue that there is an over-reliance on these effects, but that is a criticism of most blockbusters these days anyway). I think that people don't like these ones because they have failed to recapture the magic that people felt back then in their pre-pubescent days. They don't have the same spark that they did then because big budget stuff like this is a dime-a-dozen these days.

I'll go see the third film, & I'll probably enjoy it. As long as they tie up loose ends, I'm happy. I just don't expect a revolution.

[Andail]

veryweirdguy, this is just about personal preferences, so it's hard to argue about exactly what's good and bad etc.
I kind of liked the original three movies cause I like the style and the atmosphere, and I didn't mind the acting and the plot being a bit corny. To me it was a bit of a sci-fi-epic-cult thingy, kind of cozy. (I've never been much of a film critic)

I sort of liked the last star wars episode, whatever it was called (episode 2 I guess), at least I didn't dislike it as much as most people did.
Overall, it's not really my genre anyway. I do look forward to this episode 3 though.

[Darth Mandarb]

verywierdguy - I find it funny that you have that opinion on the Original trilogy given that you weren't born until almost a decade after Return of the Jedi was released

It would be like me saying, "I don't understand why so many people liked the '69 Camaro ... it's not that great" (even though I adore the car). 

Star Wars was magical to many people.  Hollywood, in the late 70's, was a different place than it is now.  Star Wars basically opened the doors for 'blockbuster' movies.  Granted, I was a baby when Star Wars was released, but I remember when Empire came out and all the hooplah around it.  I vividly remember standing in line all the way around the corner waiting to get in to see Jedi on opening day.

Maybe you just had to be there ...

I've learned that just because something doesn't mean anything to me, doesn't mean it shouldn't mean something to others.  The original trilogy is still on the top of my 'all time favorite movies' list and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Episode I and II were fun to watch.  Sure, they might not have the same magic that I felt as a child watching the original, but that's okay. 

And when people say, "The first two movies suck ... there's so many plot holes and inconsistencies" it makes me want to puke.

It's like reading 2/3 of the way through a novel and then stopping and saying "This novel sucks ... there's too many loose ends"

The story isn't complete ... that's why it's a trilogy.  I have no doubt that episode III will tie all the loose ends together making 1-3 a complete trilogy and making the 'saga' complete as well.

[veryweirdguy]

verywierdguy - I find it funny that you have that opinion on the Original trilogy given that you weren't born until almost a decade after Return of the Jedi was released

Hehe, you got me. I guess my post falls flat now.

First time I saw the originals it was the PROPER originals, the 70/80s ones. I think I was like 5 or 6, and I loved them. The adventure was there, the puppets & *FLASH!* *BANG!*s were there, I was too young to really appreciate much else about them. Now that I tend to have...opinions on things, I tend to think "so what?".

I agree that they were revolutionary films, & I had not considered the fact that they paved the way for "Blockbusters" in a way...thinking about the years after when we had our Jaws & our ETs etc etc, so yeah, I agree, they are important films, I just don't think they're that special. Maybe you did have to be there, and maybe people will think this of things like Lord of the Rings in years to come. And maybe I will get pissed off at the lil' cynical teenager who is putting Gollum's "inferior technology" down like many will want to do me right now

But I guess I was mainly referring to people my age (a few friends of mine, for example) who worship the movies. They were not born until almost a decade after Return Of the Jedi was released, & so did not experience this "magic" which you mention. I mean, I have nothing against it of course, as Andail says, it's all about personal preferences.

And I completely agree with your Ep I & II comments. People don't feel the magic again, so they poopoo the films, which I think are just as good as the originals to be honest. They have that same degree of general "fun", even if they have been designed for a different generation.

Also, I would like to point out that I don't dislike old movies (some may get this impression from my post), I'm just not a Star Wars...guy. They're good enough films, just not masterpieces, in my humble opinion. Different Strokes, etc

[Adamski]

I disagree that the reasons the previous two Star Wars films are bad is due to the 'magic' being lost or whatever. They're just terrible films, rotten to the core - the concepts and writing are awful. At least the first three were well written and well produced no matter what your opinions are about the direction and effects.

As for the 'everything will make sense with the third film' argument, that one was being used by the Matrix fans and Revolutions turned out to be a steaming pile of horse refuse.

[Blackthorne]

As for the 'everything will make sense with the third film' argument, that one was being used by the Matrix fans and Revolutions turned out to be a steaming pile of horse refuse.

I agree - The Matrix Revolutions DID blow Monkeyballs.

Bt

[LGM]

I wholehearedly disagree. Matrix Revolutions, in fact, didn't live up to the original.. BUT it's far from being bad. Watch them again, they get better and better after subsequent viewings.

I didn't believe it either, but the Matrix sequels are actually rather good films.

[Sylpher]

I've always loved the argument that something gets better after multiple watchings. The recording itself doesn't change, unless little men are coming in and taping over your copy.. So there is only one thing that can really be changing.

[Bt Unlogged]

I wholehearedly disagree. Matrix Revolutions, in fact, didn't live up to the original.. BUT it's far from being bad. Watch them again, they get better and better after subsequent viewings.

I didn't believe it either, but the Matrix sequels are actually rather good films.

No, I've seen both multiple times.  I still think they suck ass.  The Matrix, however, is a great film.

Bt

[Helm]

There's an android in episode 1 I think? on a battlefield? that reaches for binoculars to look over the plains. An android. Using binoculars.

That's how smart the first two episodes were, really.

[Haddas]

Maybe he had problems with his lenses.

[DoorKnobHandle]

Hey, but that's the stuff we love about Star Wars, isn't it?

I love the first three ones because they are not perfect compared to todays productions...