What the f*** is wrong with kids these days?!?!

[Trapezoid]

I think there's nothing inherently wrong with marijuana. (At least not much. It's certainly much cleaner than alchohol or tobacco.)
The problem is, there's something really appealing about it for dumbasses. Stupid kids who want to go out and party and get fucked up. These are the ones who fuel the "gateway drug" theory. But it's not the drug's fault-- its their behavior, which drives them towards all sorts of drugs. Marijuana just happens to be the most common "light" drug, so they end up discovering it first.
Even though I don't do it myself, I think it's perfectly okay for someone to use marijuana if their intentions are simple, personal, and not self-destructive.
Pot doesn't make you stupid... the vocal part of its fanbase was stupid to begin with.

[Gfunkera]

It eases my glaucoma, and the herion.........     I better go lie down  

[MrColossal]

Note: I'm not saying drugs are good, It's individual choice, I choose not to these days, but it's not smart to make any argument without experiencing them first hand (and not just once, cause you have to know the actual cycle and how it effects you first, and that changes day by day [and you probably have to have been there if you understand what I mean])

one more thing, I think either you need to clarify that or you need to tell me why because I've never gotten high or drunk or tripped balls on acid that I can't make an arguement?

do I have to go to jail for a year before I can make any kid of opinion on prison?

[Esseb]

Murder is bad. I just killed 20 hookers and I feel somewhat guilty about it now that the initial adrenaline rush is over.

[Timosity]

Note: I'm not saying drugs are good, It's individual choice, I choose not to these days, but it's not smart to make any argument without experiencing them first hand (and not just once, cause you have to know the actual cycle and how it effects you first, and that changes day by day [and you probably have to have been there if you understand what I mean])

one more thing, I think either you need to clarify that or you need to tell me why because I've never gotten high or drunk or tripped balls on acid that I can't make an arguement?

do I have to go to jail for a year before I can make any kid of opinion on prison?

OK, sure you can make an argument or have an opinion about it, what I meant is that it's really hard to comment about something you have no experience with and expect people that have a certain problem to listen or believe you.



A lot of people that back things like zero tolerance, are really ignorant to the reality that surrounds them. They think it seems like a reasonable solution, until one of their own kids ends up with a drug problem.

Illegal drugs are large corporate businesses these days, to ignore the problems and put users in prison is the most rediculous thing.

It's interesting that we're targeting terrorist groups at the moment, although some might be associated with drugs, the big drug businesses cause many more deaths than terrorists, and are much larger organisations. The war on drugs will be much harder.

I guess that's also a reason they don't want to give up and legalise, that would be admitting defeat, and governments have too bigger egos (even though it would fuck these drug co.s at their own game [but then they'd probably be employed legitatmately to produce them.])

where's our feedom of choice gone. Sure some people will abuse it, but they do now anyway.



It is also Impressive Eric, that you have refrained from drugs, especially such a good artist (I know that's a bit stereotypical) I guess the cat was never killed.

[Peter Thomas]

Drugs are bad.

We should ban them ALL and prosecute ANYONE who even goes within FIFTY FEET of them!


That will solve all the world's problems, and then we can focus on more important matters, such as lunch.

[Vel]

(At least not much. It's certainly much cleaner than alchohol or tobacco.)

I entirely disagree - I do not know about tobacco, but most of the alchohol is most certainly cleaner - if you buy quality one, that is.

[Archangel (aka SoupDragon)]

Ok, I read the first three pages of this thread and then gave up. WOW you guys can be depressing. Lighten up a little; let's face it, we live in such an amazing place- health care in the developed world is truly remarkable, we have clean, hot or cold water 24/7, instant heat and light whenever we want... in fact, the only real problem is that every now and then a few drunken kids might randomly yell at you- so what? Name me ONE other time and place in history that has had it better. Degredation of women in the media? Apart from a few exotic civilisations, women have NEVER had the respect they normally deserve from the majority of men. And besides, acting like a prick is far more likely to get you a slap nowadays than it ever was. Drinking problems? Shall I mention the Gin Palaces of old London? Or perhaps the ancient Romans, with their excesses of wine and pleasures of the flesh. Native americans smoked pot (or was it opium? I can't quite remember). I guess what I'm trying to say is, nothing's really changed, except for life's a WHOLE LOT BETTER than it's ever been, so quit complaining.

[Matt Brown]

achohol and tobacco certainly kill more people, destory more lives and cause more hardships then pot.

course, I hate them all, so I prob shouldnt be talking here. Im quite baised

[Pumaman]

I guess what I'm trying to say is, nothing's really changed, except for life's a WHOLE LOT BETTER than it's ever been, so quit complaining.

Is it possible that in fact that is part of the problem? In recent decades, most of the world has seen the longest period of peace and prosperity it has ever known. In this environment, people are bound to become complacent.

Think about it though - back when there was a war on, there was no time to worry about people smoking pot because there were far more important issues such as getting your rations and not getting bombed to worry about.

Nowadays though, in some ways life has become too easy. Many people have so few real issues to worry about that they start picking on things like drugs, sex and speeding as Important Problems That Must Be Dealt With.

Archangel is right though, people really should appreciate what they do have because it could be over at any time.

[Nacho]

...but I think that the discussion about "how is the world going" has not much to see with the circunstance that the next generations seems to behave strange for us.

[MrColossal]

I guess what I'm trying to say is, nothing's really changed, except for life's a WHOLE LOT BETTER than it's ever been, so quit complaining.

I don't think that's fair tho, I could counter every arguement ever by saying that "Quit complaining you have it better than your grandfather did." Just because some problems from the past have been fixed doesn't mean there are more problems to be worried about.

tim: "It is also Impressive Eric, that you have refrained from drugs, especially such a good artist (I know that's a bit stereotypical) I guess the cat was never killed."

Hehe, thank you I suppose. I can barely draw when I have a cold so I don't think getting stoned off my ass would help anything. I prefer a natural weird artist than a medicated weird artist anyways

[Mari]

I prefer a natural weird artist than a medicated weird artist anyways

Let me start off by saying that I too am impressed that you never tried drugs.  That said, drugs themselves don't make anyone a "better" artist, they just alter your perspective on reality so that you think of things you wouldn't normally think of, albiet good or bad.  I think this also is where the paranoia factor comes in.  You can be completely paranoid because you think your pet is stealing your thoughts, a completly irrational idea to the unmedicated persuaision, but completly likely to those whose mind has been altered.  This is why "getting high" was refered to as "expanding your mind" in the 60's.  But I think that is the essence of what drugs really are.  That's also why I think, partly, that so many people have problems with them.  They don't like their own reality, so they try to live in a reality that is completely drug induced and only exists in their mind.

I no longer do drugs, mainly because I like ACTUAL reality, but for what it's worth, I am glad I have my experiance because it showed me that life is a choice.  You can either choose to let things control you, or you can control yourself and your decisions, and how you feel is a choice that you make.  No drug in the world can permanatly make you feel better about yourself, make you smarter, sing better, or make you a better person, even though at the time you think so.

[Las Naranjas]

I tend to think that often a mind that is condusive to creativity lacks the facilities to deal with the world like everyone else, and drug use is a result of this incapability.

[Mari]

I tend to think that often a mind that is condusive to creativity lacks the facilities to deal with the world like everyone else, and drug use is a result of this incapability.

How so?

Edit:  I ask because, well, there are alot of very sucessful creative people about, that "deal with the world like everyone else".  Please explain what you mean, and why you think that.  Do you know alot of creative people who have a hard time "dealing with the world like everyone else.

[Archangel (aka SoupDragon)]

I tend to think that often a mind that is condusive to creativity lacks the facilities to deal with the world like everyone else, and drug use is a result of this incapability.

I think I'm insulted... although I can't be sure. What a strange comment.

[Las Naranjas]

I said often, not always [people likes to extrapolate comments made here], and it's really just a reiteration of classical perceptions about artists.
The intense eccentricity we associate with the likes of Van Gogh, or Salvador Dali, or Jackson Pollock, and also the depression that many of these people face. They are some of the most creative people, but they cannot function well as a result, or cope.


Genius, as such, is a curse as well as a blessing. It may even be akin to autism. To see the world in a unique was may also deprive you of seeing it in a way that helps you function normally.

Alcoholism is another strong addiction amongst the creative of the past few centuries, but it can't in any way be associated with being more creative. Like all drugs it's affecting your mind in such a way to avoid life since the gifts that make them as creative take away their ability to be apathetic to the world like everyone else.

If anything, creative people would probably make better material without drugs, unless it's their subject matter, ala Hunter S Thompson.

And archy, you have my respect mate, but I do think you're an absolute creative genius in the mold I'm describing.

[Archangel (aka SoupDragon)]

Well your original statement said something along the lines of "conducive to creativity", not "half mad creative genius". My bad for misinterpreting it.

[Igor]

Hey, interesting topic

...but I think that the discussion about "how is the world going" has not much to see with the circunstance that the next generations seems to behave strange for us.

I think that's the same thing our parents would say about us Though, this "generation diference" is even more evidential now, that the world is evolving so fast. I think kids today are still having the same problems as we had, they are doing the same stupid things as we did... they are experimenting with things that are available to them.
I do think the likes of MTV are doing more damage than good though...

Oh, and about this "artists" issue- i don't know what is your definition of "artist", but you can be sure, if you have a tight dead line, there's no possible way it will even occur to you to get high or drunk... except if you want to loose your client and pay penalties for drawing a pink elephant with pierced tits instead of girl washing her hair

[Nacho]

Hey, interesting topic

...but I think that the discussion about "how is the world going" has not much to see with the circunstance that the next generations seems to behave strange for us.

I think that's the same thing our parents would say about us Though, this "generation diference" is even more evidential now, that the world is evolving so fast. I think kids today are still having the same problems as we had, they are doing the same stupid things as we did... they are experimenting with things that are available to them.
I do think the likes of MTV are doing more damage than good though...

Even agreeing, notice that here we still have room for discussion!

The "generation diference" has never been so great is such a little time before... What I'm saying is that I went to my old High School last week and it turned into something completely different I remember... When I was going to the High School, the percentage of "freaks" "weirds guys" or whatever you want to call them, was something like 10% compared with the average "posh" teenager. Now, the "freaks" are 90% in front of the normal "posh".

There were no normal guys! Before, allways was a "gothic" a "heavy" a "Punk" or a "hippy" in every institute... Now there are bands of them. I asked my girlfriend is it was like this when she went to the high school (She finished it two years ago) and she told me that the change seems to have occurred in a little gap of time, maybe in three or four.

I don't know if it's happening something like in the sixties, where the "rockers" started a revolution which finished with a bunch of different urban tribes (Mods, hippies, rastas...), if so, I hope this finishes better that in the previous occassion (Where all the hopes of peace and love of the summer of '68 ended in the nowadays ruling class, so corrupted and decadent as the previous...)

But I don't have such a good feeling as it apparently was in the 60ies...