Why is this age limit set dammit!?

[Kinoko]

It's true. I'm sorry Fluke but that picture was bad to the point of ridiculous. I wouldn't know where to start. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you, but there's just too much wrong with it to be able to crit it properly. All I'd be able to think of is "Go away and practise drawing some more. Learn about drawing techniques, get some books, come back after another year or so of practise".

Plus, it's not like it was for a game or anything, which -most- stuff in the Critic's Lounge is for.

[Raider]

Wow,
First off, I'm surprised that the thread has reached four pages.
But just to be another post to say the same thing everyone else has said:
I agree with everyone here. When I read your posts, I think it wise that it has the magical orange lock on the title. Nothing against you personally but do try to learn. Another thing, a while ago you had "MODERATORS SUCK!!!!!!!!!" as the text under your avatar. Now doing this isn't the best way to react to the locking of the threads. Just stand back and learn. I think I was 15 when I joined (one year ago  ) and I typed as I would to my friends. People commented, I stopped. It's simple Fluke, watch, learn and respect.

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

First off, I'm surprised that the thread has reached four pages.

Heh. There are many threads in the Popular board, but if this keeps up, I bet this will be the only thread with this kind of content to feature there!

[Andail]

Fluke, we don't usually have some sort of quality limit at the critics, but somewhere we just have to draw a line. This isn't kindergarten.

In your case, I felt that you more or less had lost the right to start new threads, seeing that you never return to one and meet the criticism and advice given to you.
For a starter, I would like you to respond to the issue brought up on the last page; why did you want to become a moderator, if you resent the whole idea with moderating?

Face the music, kid, just this once!

[=The=Brat=]

Power To The People!

EDIT: Couldnt help myself

[PsychicHeart]

For a starter, I would like you to respond to the issue brought up on the last page; why did you want to become a moderator, if you resent the whole idea with moderating?

because at first, i liked the thought of being a moderator.

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

Direct quote from one of the first 2 Discworld games (I disremember which):

This seems like a good cue to end this whole silly conversation.

[Sam.]

this thread provokefd me into thinking. Is it possible to limit the posting rights of someone who registers as underage? So, they can post in threads and be an active member of soceity, they can post new threads in the critics lounge, but not in either of the chat boards so that there is a limit to spam threads? or does that sound heinously unfair?

[HillBilly]

I think that would just result in people lying about their age, or not giving it at all. Besides, we can't assume that EVERYONE under the age of 16 is immature. We'll always have a couple of "rotten eggs" now and then, and I think most of them is handled pretty fair.

[TheYak]

I disagree with the decision to lock the picture thread.  Yes, the picture was pretty bad but he did say that he was better at drawing on paper.  The posting of a second picture looked to be a revision of sorts. 

I could understand if he started a new thread in critic's every day or every week and never took advice given him but there was hardly time to act upon said advice before that thread was locked. 

I find this thread quite immature and some of his reacts doubly so, but I think a little more opportunity and advice could've been given him concerning his picture.  If he didn't make improvements to it, people would lose interest, the thread would fade away.  If harsh criticism didn't stop him from continuing, let him give it a shot.  The picture looked quite poorly drawn but in a way that someone drawing with a mouse for the first time might've done.  Some general practical advice (like basing body parts on shapes and how to use the line tool well) could've improved it, if he were willing to give it a shot. 

However, the decision was made.  It was made by a moderator.  The thread was locked.  I, personally, would've just dealt with it and either decided I didn't want to participate in the Critic's Lounge or I would've improved it and posted the results.  Can't we just make reasonable attempts not to hold a grudge and let the guy give a shot at redeeming himself (numerous others have needed/taken that opportunity)?  If he's still deemed obnoxious, then harsher judgements might be called for.  He's nowhere near as bad as some that've come (and gone) in the past couple of years.  And there's DG..  DG for Christ-on-Toast's sake!  You let him post...

[m0ds]

Okay, here's my two cents. If you're under 16, to be fair - you're still a child - what are you doing wasting your time on the internet when you should and could be out with your friends, swimming, smashing things, go-karting etc. If you don't have any friends then that's your own fault, and you're going to be really gutted come 20 when you realise you're no longer a kid, and you've wasted your childhood using AGS. Of course, AGS is great - but there's a time and place for it, and that as the forums states - is when you're 16 or older.

You may not remember this, or care, but once upon a time these forums were known for being the friendliest and most enjoyable of their type to visit, you'd often see people on other forums say "Yes, the AGS forums are brilliant, polite and interesting." That was back in the day when everyman spent at least 10 minutes on their replies. Over the years it's whittled down to IRC style replies, which frankly balls up the entire atmosphere of the forums for me*.

Forums like this, the general general forum - IMO provoke younger people and non-adventure types to visit and post, those people unfortunatley are of no interest to me. What do they bring to the community, really? And then every half year we can expect downtime because of excessive bandwidth issues.

* Please note that yes, I am also guilty of one line replies, but I simply try to NOT post when I don't think it's worth it.

Anyway, I want you to consider my main point. You're a kid. Go be a kid.

Fair enough if this is a hobby for you, but I really wouldn't expect anyone to take you seriously. You are just another "guy making a random game or two", not a person with experience in art, music etc etc that the rest of us might actually consider paying attention to...

[Dowland]

but I simply try to NOT post when I don't think it's worth it.

To be fair, was that always the case?

[Phemar]

It would be wise to sticky this thread, as a banner to all passing newbies ...

Some very wise and true words were spoken today.

[m0ds]

Yes, it's always been the case.

EDIT: Okay goddamn! Apart from EZboard!

[Blackthorne]

Again, I say there CAN be productive members who are young.  They are a rare find, but I don't want to deny opportunities to a mature kid who just wants to learn.

Bt

[DCillusion]

Maybe, Flukeblake, you should talk to CJ, & your parents, about starting a website called AGS Jr..  It could be for kids like you!!

There are Muppet Babies, Baby Looney Toons, why not baby AGS?

Have your thoughts really heard with forums like:
-Which Old Guy Suxors Most
-Candy that Roxors
-Guess What I Just Found

You could make your OWN games like:
-Stickman Ditches Skool
-Thorn: Notebook Doodle Barbarien
-The Glorious Slave Empire of FlukeBlake Warning: Contains BOOBS  :o

You'd work out the details, of course

[MillsJROSS]

I tried to avoid replying in this thread, partly because I had other things to do, partly because I wasn't sure on how I felt about the situation. Reading through some of Fluke's posts in other threads as well as this one, it's easy to conclude that Fluke is young and immature. But at looking at some of the posts from some of the older members within this thread, it appears that maturity and age don't necessarily go hand in hand. So Fluke is a young kid, do we really set a good example by insulting him?

In regards to the picture thread that got locked. First, I don't have blame Andail, he was doing what is in his job description. To be the bad guy and enforce the age policy where necessary. That said, though, locking the thread based soley on the fact that your drawing aren't very good in a critics forum seems very hypocritical (I'm not saying this was Andail's reason, but for those using that reason, it offends me that you are so harsh as to even think along those lines). As far as I'm concerned the drawing was better than something I could do at age 21...so age and crappy drawing aren't necessarily synonymous with each other. And if I posted my drawing for critique I'd hope that someone would help me, even enough to say "Practice, practice practice! Here's some good tutorials on drawing for beginners."

Fluke, this one picture thread doesn't justify the other 20 plus threads you've started in the two plus months you've frequented here. My suggestions would be to stop starting threads. I'd even go so far as to suggest you save the threads you've made and look at them in a year or two...and then maybe you'll see our point of view. The problem isn't that I can't see your point of view, I can...I was on the internet when I was your age, and I know what it is to feel ostracized because you are younger...it sucks. However, I don't think you can see our point of view...the best analogy I can think of, is just think about kids that are six years younger than you, and how you'd feel if one of them followed you and your friends around. You could like the kid, but that doesn't mean there won't be moments when the six year gap won't become apparent to you.

So lay low a bit, post rarely, but in the meantime have fun in the real world. The best thing you can do for yourself is reading books. It'll improve your grammar and ability to put thoughts on a page, which can only help you in future forum life.

-MillsJROSS

[Nacho]

(DC, we reached the agreement of not being sarcastic with him again to see if he can mature a bit when everything is calmed... Ã, )

Blackthorne... I think that MOST of the guys under 16 are productive, but when somebody is noobish the first thing we do is to go to his/her profi too see if he is under 16 and mock him better. Ã, 

And let me add that (IMO):

"Not all the young guys are noobish, but all the noobish are young"

So, the age limit is like an insurance as I see it.

[Ubel]

Your picture sucks and there's not enough bandwidth here to write a long enough reply on how to improve it.

I think that was unnecessary...

Also I second everything MillsJROSS said about the picture thread.

[DGMacphee]

And there's DG..  DG for Christ-on-Toast's sake!  You let him post...

Quiet you! My posts are like candy and sparkles exploding out of your crotch.

Your picture sucks and there's not enough bandwidth here to write a long enough reply on how to improve it.

I think that was unnecessary...

It was neccessary. I was explaining why I thought Andail was right to lock it. I mean, how can you expect someone to give proper criticism when they draw Sonic The Hedgehog with down syndrome? This isn't a finger-painting class. Hell, I'm not the greatest graphic artist in the world (or on my block), but at least the spirtes in my games resemble things.