Your idea of Hell

Harvester · Mon 12/05/2003 01:52:46

Hell? Well, I've been there. It's being in a Bosnian bus on a hot summer day with windows closed and folk music coming out of the speakers. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!!

MillsJROSS · Mon 12/05/2003 07:48:45

I don't really believe in Hell (or heaven, for that matter) There are many diffrent ways it could be like, if indeed it really exists.

It could either be all that pain and torture crap

Or (and not an all inclusive "or," there are many "or's" I just don't want to write them all out) Hell isn't really ALL that bad. It's kind of like prison. And Satan wouldn't really be that bad of a guy. He's just the guard that makes sure we stay put.

-MillsJROSS

Las Naranjas · Mon 12/05/2003 08:45:44

Reincarnation seems like a likely prospect.

After all, from experience we say that life's a bitch. And the worst joke it could pull is to make us suffer through a life, just to do it again....and again.

evenwolf · Mon 12/05/2003 10:13:24

One's identity passing on to another lifeform is hardly likely.

For what is identity if it is not memory, stream of conciousness, or physical character of one's body? If it is memory, how does one know he is actually remembering his previous life or seeming to remember? I would highly dislike for another being to exist which could remember events from my life- if not actually "me". And if that being IS actually remembering- what if another being were reincarnated from me, and that being also is not seeming to remember but actually remembering. If A is me and B is me, there seems to be a problem of identity. For I cannot equal both A & B. Lifeform A seems to have had my identity up until the point lifeform B was formed- then my identity suddenly vanishes. Please, someone assure me that if reincarnation or heaven exists- that only one copy of my identity can be made.

Hehehe, can anyone tell I just got done studying philosophy for 3 hours?

SSH · Mon 12/05/2003 10:52:20

Hell exists on earth in the form of air transport. Only the devil could invent such a way for the fastest form of transport available to the public to be made that you have to check in 2 hours in advance of the flight and then the flight is delayed two hours and the airport is two hours from home so your 2 hour flight takes 8 hours...

AAAARRRRGGGHHHH....

Trapezoid · Mon 12/05/2003 18:02:55

EvenWolf: If you can prove to yourself that you have a POV somewhere inside your brain (and you can prove it to yourself*, but not really to anyone else), then it's not farfetched to believe that your POV has its own memory, which it doesn't need to access while your physical brain's memory is available. And heaven knows what happens then.

*Sit down and have a good long think about why "you" can see, hear, feel, taste, smell, and know what a random body on Earth sees, hears, feels, tastes, smells, and thinks. It ever so subtly suggests the existence of an actual soul. From there all sorts of possibilities open up to a creative mind, including what happens when a soul no longer has a body to read from.

12431 · Mon 12/05/2003 21:00:27

all the good musicians will be there. ever thoughta that?

Femme Stab Mode >:D · Tue 13/05/2003 11:34:36

When I was a kid I made up stories about hell. Everybody loved them because I told them from first person view and I would even pick tiny scratches and scars on my fingers and tie them into the story. In the stories hell was fun. After them everyone wanted to go to hell. I tried to talk them out of that by trying to make up stories about heaven, but I still couldn't convince them. I guess they would have grown out of that idea now. Yes, I was a one freaky 8-year-old...

remixor · Wed 14/05/2003 03:20:40

Quote from: 12431 on Mon 12/05/2003 21:00:27
all the good musicians will be there. ever thoughta that?

...without their instruments! :o

Scid · Wed 14/05/2003 05:23:53

Hell = not having anything to look forward to, having nothing to do, and having no way to escape. Man, that would be painful.

evenwolf · Wed 14/05/2003 07:26:15

How about Hell= no identity?

Not surviving after death. If God can make one copy of you in Heaven or Hell, why can't he make two? Say he does, which body holds your soul? Both are identical in every way, even in memory. Do you still exist?

Ghostmaker · Wed 14/05/2003 09:39:56

Memorys are just, recollections of past events, they can be altered threw ones own mind, or threw others tampering with your mind, your soul goes deeper then just thoughts, its like your essence, there are many different intermpretations of what a soul is, but, i belive it is what defines, if you are good or evil (it not that black and white) it is like karma, its the one thing whats with you always. There are things far worse than having no identity, physicly, and mentaly.

evenwolf · Wed 14/05/2003 10:50:52

Ah, but you write into contradiction... you say a soul is NOT identity, therefore my soul can go on and my identity can die.

But why do I care if a soul exists if it is no longer mine? What do I care if a clone of me exists in Heaven because I was good on Earth? I deserve to be in Heaven- not he. What do I care if only a clone of me suffers the pain of Hell? I won't have to feel the torment, he will- and he deserves it for claiming my soul.

Andail · Wed 14/05/2003 12:34:48

Whoa, reading Even's ponderings brought me back to the summer of 2001, in the middle of the "...another philosophical question"-era

Scid · Wed 14/05/2003 13:54:31

You die, and you wind up in a rappidly spinning amusement park ride. You're extremely nausious, you have a splitting headache, your have terrible stomach pain. Around you are lots of people laughing at your pain, in high shrieking voices. You feel extremely bad. Then, somebody shouts at you from above, stating that you're in hell, and asks you if you think you belong there.

Anyone who answers "yes", gets to go to heaven.

remixor · Wed 14/05/2003 14:22:48

Quote from: Scid on Wed 14/05/2003 13:54:31
You die, and you wind up in a rappidly spinning amusement park ride. You're extremely nausious, you have a splitting headache, your have terrible stomach pain. Around you are lots of people laughing at your pain, in high shrieking voices. You feel extremely bad.

Then you get off the ride and realize all the cool junk in your inventory is missing, so you ask the ride operator what's up and he gives you a claim ticket. BUT THEN TEH LOST ADN FOUND GUY SI MISSIGN!!11!1

Scid · Wed 14/05/2003 16:14:34

TEH NO!!1!!

Well, that might be what sam and max hell looks like. Nobody can tell, with any degree of confidence - since lucasarts adventure game characters don't die. I wouldn't be surprised if the real secret of monkey island is actually how Stan manages to make a living selling used coffins and life insurance.

But, back to my original point, which you so deviously tried to steer your own corrupt consciousness away from - no doubt because you're a serial killer who will one day end up there: People who think they're not evil, are the only people who deserve to be in hell. Everybody makes mistakes, after all. So hell, to me, would be a place where people think they positively have to be in heaven, and everybody else with them - simply because they wound up there. And lo, it would be a truly sucky place to be.