Does The Matrix Suck?

[DGMacphee]

All you need to know:

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix2



EDIT:
And probably this too:

http://www.bash.org/?169866

[MillsJROSS]

I just like to get my expectations low, so that way when I see it, I'll always view it with a more positive attitude, unless it just sucks as much as I think it might.

I don't look at the Matrix as a cinema masterpiece, it's just entertainment. I liked the first one, though it was over hyped, the second one, wasn't as enjoyable, but it did have some fight scenes I enjoyed, and frankly, I only watch it for the fighting, I could care less about the plot. When the first movie came out, I thought about the concept for about thirty seconds, and realised I had wasted thirty seconds of my life. To me, when I see the third movie, I'll only be watching it for fight scenes. Although, I was pleased that the KFC guy was in the second one.

-MillsJROSS

[DGMacphee]

Why not go to a bar, wait for two drunks to pick a fight, watch them pound the shit out of each other and save $8-10?

[Las Naranjas]

Because nothing ripples and explodes.

Real life sucks, people can't fly or explode or create lens flares or anything.

[Shattered Sponge]

Well thank you oh so very fucking much, DeeG; now I feel like a complete and utter cunt because I actually agree with chuffin' Maddox about something.

Also:

* Shattered Sponge does a little dance for DS

[DGMacphee]

Las:
But there's a shitload more swearing!


Sponge:
What's not to agree?

He thinks McDonalds tastes like shit, PETA is full of crybabies, teenyboppers are obnoxious, Bush is an idiot, Hollywood is full of more shit than McDonalds, and that little children aren't anything special.

Granted, it's not like discovering the West Indies, but you can't disagree with the above.  

[Toefur]

I dunno, a movie has got to be pretty fucking terrible when it's sole saving grace is that it has cool fight scenes.

[Shattered Sponge]

Well, I'm sorry DeeGee, but this article - http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html - just cemented him in my mind as a barbarous, maniacal controversy whore.  And a cunt.

---Edit after  wee bit of browsing---

And I'd have thought the fact that he practically assaults you personally in this - http://maddox.xmission.com/anime_nerd.html - article would make you slightly less defensive of his cesspit of being-a-cunt-sorta-things.

[DGMacphee]

Well, yes the slapping your kids thing is pretty barbarous, but I do use my good judgement on what is right for when I have kids, rather than immediately agree with Maddox.

As for the majority fo his article, he hits the nail on the head.

As for the anime article, I don't think he was attacking me personally because I can't find my name anywhere in that article.  

Also, I don't wear T-Shirts with Japanese symbols on them, nor do I own any T-Shirts with anime characters on it.

Nor do I fit into the 5 categories: I don't wish I was Japanese; I'm thin and my manboobs are small; I'm not a goth and my girlfriend is a cutie-pie (we don't tounge kiss in public either -- I know a lot of women who really hate that shit, cause it's like having a squid shoved down your throat); I don't consider myself a "cool nerd" (I prefer to think of myself as an arsehole anyway) as other nerds don't flock around me to hear my theories about Qui Gon Jin's beard; and I don't dress like Silent Bob or have a mullet.

I just like watching the stuff, but I'm not going to go all-out "otaku".

I just want to go into my local screenings, watch some ninja schoolgirls beat the shit out of each other for a few hours, have a few laughs, then go do something constructive.

It's not like I suddenly want to become an anime character or want to become Japanese.

But, I have met people who are REALLY fucking obsessed with anime -- To the point where they'll wear these strange cosplay-like shirty-vesty type things with a labcoat and a headband. (As an afterthought, I don't know who the hell they're trying to be -- some generic anime character???)

Now THAT'S a little extreme.

Same thing happens with furries -- There are some who go "Yeah, it might be cool to pretend to be a ninja werewolf around the house for a while! I might bite my sister and see if she goes 'MUUUUUM! Daniel bit me!' Hehehe!" and there are some who go "Yeah, I'll dress up like a ninja werewolf and walk around in public! I might also find another werewolf to hump before I piss on a fire-hydrant!"

And on that, I rest my case!

"You rest your case???"

Oh sorry... Case closed!

[Scummbuddy]

If you go see the Matrix 3 and walk out 30 minutes or so before the ending, youd be better off.  Throughout the first 2 hours, every so often I'd say to myself, wow, this movie is kicking ass, and then the ending comes, which yes, props for being untraditional, but not at all what I was wanting or expecting.  Granted, I didn't get to discuss or think about the movie right after it ended, because ScubaChic lost her cell phone in the theater and we spent an half hour looking for it as i crawled around on the floor looking (we got it back today by some nice stranger who picked it up) but now that i think back, the ending wasn't soooo bad, it kinda does work, but there are still some people not dead who should be or at least i want, and there are things left open.  Very open so much as for me to expect a Matrix 4 newspost on www.cinescape.com within a week of the first week's revenue report. I say, bring it.

and yes, damn them for making me have to go out and buy and beat the matrix game. cheat codes for the 30 minutes of movie, but i hear that naomi starts mackin' it with some girl in a real video... so there is a plus.  

[CMonkey]

Yeah, the third matrix sucked, the second one was okay, and the first one kicked ass. But due to the amazing disappointment of the third one, the second and first ones have dropped a notch just because you know of the disappointment that is to come. It was like some cutsie-pie soppy hollywood love story, with long drawn out goodbyes and re-unitions, to make you go "oh come on!". And that ending! It made me feel like i'd eaten too much fairy floss. They probably could have cut about an hour out of it and it might have been okay.

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Also some of the battles i.e. Neo vs Smith at the end just seemed so pointless, they both just keep getting back up and flying around doing their "superman-thing", it just seemed like a dragon ball z tv movie

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[Scummbuddy]

cmonkey

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yeah, their fight at the end totally reminded me of a dbz fight, but since the live action dbz movie is still in production, this leads this movie to be the 'first' movie to use the z axis in fighting (as far as i know) and flying.  but whatever.

and..oh god..  that death scene... could it go on anymore?  ill get the dvd deleted scenes and see another 20 minutes of her talking and talking.  ScubaChic actually said in the theater, "Would she just die already?" and all these people started laughing.

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[edmundito]

So, I went to see Revolutions tonight, and I had such low expectations that I didn't even care it didn't answer everything nor made sense, or that it was corny and silly. I enjoyed it because I was just prepared for silliness, but I guess as far as I'm concerned the first movie was cool, and then some random stuff happened afterward and blah blabh blah that doesn't really matter....

Furthermore, the matrix sequels are not to be taken seriously

[TheYak]

I guess I have to agree with the common consensus.  I've yet to see the movie (and based upon what I've read, I'll be waiting for DVD).  I've seen a lot of good movies that critics didn't like and a lot of bad movies they've loved.  I've seen some movies I enjoyed that you guys hated and vice versa.  However, I very rarely hear of a movie almost as universally despised as the 3rd chapter of The Matrix (and to a less extent, Reloaded).  

[Igor]

Jeez... Matrix... again....

I only saw first movie and while it wasn't completely bad i certainly can't understand what was so special about it to start a cult.  Half hour of "deep" high-tech anime style mumbo-jumbo and then another hour and a half of ballet. Juhey!

[Meowster]

I liked the Matrix, but I think it's just fashionable to dislike sequels in general. It's kinda bred into people or something. The first Matrix movie wasn't that good, it was really just about the awesome special effects and the cool sunglasses. The second and third movies well... I guess people expected a plot, but it was really just the same as the first movie.

I think they're all the same as each other. In a word, they're alright.

[edmundito]

I wrote this post for the fans and non-fans of the matrix.

I've been reading some of the posts at IMDB and some kids have explained what was all supposed to be about pretty well and such, but everyone has their own interpretation of what happened, too, so you read one post and think "yeah, that's pretty interesting" and then you read another and say "well, it could also have happened that way" and then you're once again going back to being confused.

What it boils down  to this.... if you're going to make a movie based on a ficticious world then you have to explain what the hell is going on. don't expect people to know exactly why things happen that way... otherwise, nothing makes sense. The wachowski brothers got lucky in the first one because there was nothing much to explain, and they did have to explain it, but when they started adding layers upon layers of information with little explanation (other than the stuff provided by the architect, which 3 people in this world understood... I only caught the many ergos and vis-a-vis) then you're gonna get people pissed off.

The moral of the story is keep it simple (like the original) unless you know how to make something very complicated look simple. Also, another moral is that the matrix was definitely the most hyped movie of all time. Hey, I liked the matrix, I own it,  but it was not "T3H B3s7 m0v13 3v4r".

[even wolf]

Yay movie threads!

Netmonkey! Cool cool points.  I agree with you that the first one worked, and that it was simpler- but I think the real reason it worked wasn't that it answered all the questions at all.    I think it worked because it left so many questions open and it got people THINKING! That's the way I see it.

The next two movies (I assume) TRIED to answer questions but couldn't because the matrix world is really bullshit.  It wasn't bullshit earlier, but it is now, and Watchowskis kept digging themselves into a whole the more and more they expected to exploit the population of movie goers.

It's perfectly NORMAL to make a bullshit universe in a movie, and I commend the first Matrix on its clever framing device.  However I feel the original is tainted (as far as leaving the thinking to the audience) by the sequels.

[InCreator]

Yeow. Matrix. A movie that tries to sell cyberpunk, but isn't really one by itsself, only it's main idea is.

If I'd really want some cp, I'd watch ending sequence of game Flashback, play Out Of This World or see that part of animatrix with a girl and cat. Though they're simple, they're also DEEP and - just IT.

[DGMacphee]

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix3

ShatteredSponge is going to kill me.