I have a problem with future.

InCreator · Sun 04/04/2004 04:13:12

Okay. Present time is fucked up, It's pretty clear. Drugs, popculture (risking being called a racist, I say it: Black culture, which pop really means today), diseases that didn't exist 100 years ago and all this crap, you name it. Now, I was thinking about what comes next.

I am currently 20 years old. If I had a grandfather and asked him to tell how things were in his youth, he'd tell something like that:

Times were quite difficult. WWII has just begun, nazis drove around in our village, demanding butter, milk and meat. We were very poor, our father was taken away by soliders and we never saw him again.
There wasn't any grown-up men left in village, so nobody did the farming. Winter came along with hunger.
My mother didn't have any money to send me to school - or even buy me shoes. There wasn't any food left. So we, me and some boys from village, sneaked to a house where nazis had set up their camp, and stole some solider bread from their supply shack. Thanks to god and bits of food we managed to get, we survived this winter...

Heroic and serious. Now, I was thinking, what would be story I'M telling to my grandchildren after 45 years?

Times were quite difficult. I couldn't afford a faster video card or load my cellphone with credit every month. America invaded Iraq. Terrorists blew theselves up around the world. Drugs and popculture invaded youngest part of humankind. Gas became super-expensive. People became fat. Millions of retarded, perverted, sick people found themselves a stage to act on in Internet. Success of Doom and Tomb Raider killed the last good of computer games, making all games to be third or first person shooters.
Adventure games genre was dying, or already dead despite a group of people who still knew and loved it.
Oh yeah, It was a difficult time...

Stupid? Oh yeah.
I think that after that story, my grandchildren rush away to bring me my pills.

remixor · Sun 04/04/2004 04:30:06

Quote from: InCreator on Sun 04/04/2004 04:13:12popculture (risking being called a racist, I say it: Black culture, which pop really means today)

Hooray for inaccuracy!

Kairus · Sun 04/04/2004 04:38:57

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Adventure games genre was dying, or already dead despite a group of people who still knew and loved it.

Wow! We are la resistance these days! I like it.

shbaz · Sun 04/04/2004 04:45:09

I wouldn't call you racist, just retarded. What you call black culture probably doesn't include 2/3 of black people.

Pesty · Sun 04/04/2004 04:49:14

Dude, don't worry. The future of the world will be saved by The Wyld Stalyns. We just have to bide our time until they do.

MrColossal · Sun 04/04/2004 04:51:52

Yea in the meantime just calm down and be excellent to each other

InCreator · Sun 04/04/2004 04:57:46

Quote from: shbazjinkens on Sun 04/04/2004 04:45:09
I wouldn't call you racist, just retarded. What you call black culture probably doesn't include 2/3 of black people.

Maybe it doesn't. But lots of "pop" category things (music, clothing, way of language use, etc) are from afroamericans actually.
That's all I meant, and this goes basically for music.
And word "racist" doesn't mean anything to me, because where I live, aren't any black people. There's maybe 10-20 of them for whole of my country (which has only 1,4 million of people), so I actually haven't seen or experienced real skin-color-related racism in life and it's stupidity to attach me to that. There's only russians and estonians. And being "estonian" is a reason enough to have your teeth kicked in when encountering some russian youngsters on the street, especially when they're drunk. That concludes all problems between nations here.
And after all, one word really wasn't what this thread was about. I can't tell more that I know and if it comes to foreign people or culture, I can only tell what I get from media. Turn on MTV. If I am wrong - let it be so. Point taken.
Smarter now. Happy?

Peter Thomas · Sun 04/04/2004 04:59:15

I couldn't agree more Creator...

Everything's so screwed up, but it's not for SERIOUS reasons! who CARES whether you go get stoned or not? Most people just let you go and do it (excluding police, of course, but they're aware of it enough anyway that they don't care about 'social' users), which explains the drug problem we have, but BECAUSE we're "allowed" to do it, no one sees it as a problem. And then we'll all go have a whinge to future generations about how 'tough' our life was...

My grandchildren shall kick my face.

shbaz · Sun 04/04/2004 05:12:07

MTV is not the sole designated representative of black culture - and neither is BET. There are more people in the two generations above us, do they listen to rap? Are they pot smokers? This is what I'm getting at. I don't like you labelling a race of people. If you knew any people who were different than you at all, and you didn't live inside of a box where everything you believe is right, then you might notice that they're not different at all. Today while I was at my job I was messing with a 3d model, and one of my friends offered to send me some of his drawings of anime characters to use as reference, and maybe create them in 3d. He also plays guitar, listens to rock music, and hangs out with mixed ethnicities. He's black. Weird huh.. seems like he should be drinking malt liquor with fried chicken in hand as he drives his modified lincoln down main street blaring "Stand up." According to your perspective, he wouldn't have crap in common with me. This friend of mine isn't just a freak accident either, that's the way a LOT of black people are.

What you're talking about shouldn't be referred to as "black culture" but you should be calling it what it is, rap culture. It's as much or more white as it is black. There is even a booming asian rap scene.

Peter Thomas · Sun 04/04/2004 05:41:50

I don't think he meant it the way you interpreted it, but....

I have nothing to add.

InCreator · Sun 04/04/2004 05:43:58

Rap culture then. Okay.

Even if I am living in a box, It's made of glass and I'm not that ignorant to close my eyes.

Last thing I'd like to do is having forum fights at 7:30 AM over a topic in which I'm pretty incompetent and don't really care about much until I have personally closer connections to topic, neither winning the fight. I don't have black friends! But If I'd met one and it were a nice guy, no color could stop me from becoming his/her friend. Peter Thomas is right - I didn't mean it that way at all. Only time I have talked to someone black was at New Years eve, me and my friends were drinking at the city center and two famous house DJ's stopped us to ask direction to a fancy local night club where they performed that night. We fell into a chat for a hour and drank two bottles of expensive vodka, my friends (who are 101% hip-hop-culture teens) were superhappy to meet people that are black, just as their hip-hop idols. During this, I didn't feel for a second that there's something different with those people (except that they were famous house DJ's

).

So, read here: I don't have a problem with black people. But I've just became an uncle, and I don't feel too good about my little cousin growing up with "pimping", "bitches" and other weird stuff from MTV which is so popular nowadays.

Fact that people discuss things they don't know much about happens all the time. People who make laws don't usually act against them. Social workers don't do drugs by themselves, but encourage people not to use them.

But I don't like to fight over something, I don't know very well. Like ethnic (did I spell that right?) groups or their culture.
Especially here. In and with this community I've enjoyed so far to be member of.

Evil · Sun 04/04/2004 05:58:17

I have a pop culture story. I was babysitting tonight and we were watching the Nickelodeon Kids' choice awards. There was only one white person under the catagory of best new female singer. Hilary Duff, who happened to win. Thats a pitty, isn't it?

MrColossal · Sun 04/04/2004 06:15:19

um... what, evil?

i completely fail to see your point.

and increator, to your original post:

do you want war? do you want hard times? i'm confused as to what you're talking about.

diseases have been appearing for a long time, when small pox jumped on the scene people didn't say "Oh man, this is nothing compared to the plague... my grandchildren are gonna be so bored by my stories."

If my grandchildren in the future ask me how it was i hope i tell them some of the good things that happened and not just dwell on how AIDS completely destroyed Africa and all the tigers died and thousands of people died through wars and terrorists attacks... I don't want to scare the shit out of them...

InCreator · Sun 04/04/2004 06:20:46

Now, morale is that really that It's damn good to live right now and we should spend less time about complaining.
And whole thing was meant to be something to produce a weak smile or something at least close to that. Not a war, naturally.

Why are you guys taking every word so dramatically and seriously? Isn't this a corner in AGSforums to present even a simple thought that made me laugh or share some good emotions about a movie and so on? Why? Do I sound like a dictator gathering hate and manpower for next world war?

Pesty · Sun 04/04/2004 06:21:33

Bill: Dudes, quit all the arguing! It is most unpleasant!
Ted: Yes, soon we shall save the day in a totally excellent way, so do not fret!

* Bill and Ted air guitar!

Peter Thomas · Sun 04/04/2004 06:25:00

Quote from: MrColossal on Sun 04/04/2004 06:15:19
I don't want to scare the shit out of them...

You don't....?

shbaz · Sun 04/04/2004 06:33:10

Quote from: InCreator on Sun 04/04/2004 06:20:46
Now, morale is that really that It's damn good to live right now and we should spend less time about complaining.
And whole thing was meant to be something to produce a weak smile or something at least close to that. Not a war, naturally.

Why are you guys taking every word so dramatically and seriously? Isn't this a corner in AGSforums to present even a simple thought that made me laugh or share some good emotions about a movie and so on? Why? Do I sound like a dictator gathering hate and manpower for next world war?

I fail to see anything funny in what you posted, sorry. It seems like a rant against your perception of modern society.

InCreator · Sun 04/04/2004 06:38:19

Or incompatibility of sense of humor between different people (which is supposed to be like that, IMO). But no-one forces you to (re)act anyhow, so...
...so nothing. This is getting stupid, if it already isn't. But you're overreacting this all alot.

Darth Mandarb · Sun 04/04/2004 06:56:08

I blame the degredation of society on two things:
1) mass media
2) MTV

Mass media shows only the shit of the world in an attempt to sensationalize and out-do their opponents.

MTV makes influential kids think it's cool to get drunk and party and shirk your responsibilities. They have a show called 'The Real World' where NOTHING is like the real world and these people have everything handed to them. Jobs, rent, etc. That's the real world?? Where have I been living then?

But sure they have anti-drug commercials every now and then with a sexy pop star saying "Don't do drugs" and then two weeks later that same pop star is checkin' into rehab.

And now they show nothing but crap music ... I mean rap music.

I can't stand [gansta] rap.

A lot of ignorant people assume this to mean I don't like black people. When, on the contrary, I happen to like black people as much as I like every other skin color.

But these morons (rappers) are damaging society with their useless and no-talent [c]rap music.

Sure you have the right to freedom of speech. But with the right, comes the responsibility.

Just 'cause you can doesn't mean you should.

But what do they care, they're making millions.

~ d

Las Naranjas · Sun 04/04/2004 07:16:25

you guys aren't getting the point.