Frank the farmhand -racist

[flinnt]

Ive just had to stop playing Frank the Farmhand as i found it quite offensive. To have to watch cut scenes of Klu Klux Klan members trying to burn a boy on the steak and having the word 'nigger' said every few scenes i think that it should not just come with a language warning (as pointed out on ags games site,) but with a racism warning also!

[Mephistophilis]

The Game isn't racist, it may depict racist themes but the maker of the game isn't Saying that black people are inferior or the like. He's depicting the KKK and that's most probably what the KKK are like, if you find it offensive then you should contact the maker but nobody is forcing you to play it. I've seen films about the Civil rights Movement it had Black people getting beaten up and Verbally abused, but it's not racist it's talking about a racist issue, Would you refuse to watch that?

[Mr Jake]

he shouldnt contact the maker, he should just not play it.

[Mephistophilis]

I was just trying to be diplomatic....

[DGMacphee]

Bollocks to that. Go picket 'Birth of a Nation', you tree-hugging hippy!

[Kinoko]

Hippiiiiies >_<

Mephistophilis makes an excellent point. Surely you can tell the difference between depicting racism and -being- racist. What do you think of history books that talk about the Nazi regime?

[flinnt]

To those of you who don't seem to of read my text properly, I suggest you go back and re read, as you'll see that I say the game should come with a ‘racism warning' noting that there is racism in the game (unless you are going to try and find an argument in the fact that watching a scene of KKK trying to burn a black boy, isn't showing a racist scene ?!?!?) I didn't say the author was racist (again, for those of you who seem to have trouble deciphering sentences,) I merely said I found the racist scenes offensive. It's just purely my opinion.
To the comment made by DGMcphee *Sigh* I thought this forum was for over 16 year olds ? Grow up, and if you have nothing constructive to say, don't reply to my posts â€" unintelligent remarks bore me.

[Kinoko]

To those of you who don’t seem to of read my text properly, I suggest you go back and re read, as you’ll see that I say the game should come with a ‘racism warning’ noting that there is racism in the game (unless you are going to try and find an argument in the fact that watching a scene of KKK trying to burn a black boy, isn’t showing a racist scene ?!?!?) I didn’t say the author was racist (again, for those of you who seem to have trouble deciphering sentences,) I merely said I found the racist scenes offensive. It’s just purely my opinion.

If that's your point of you then I suggest you change your topic. Although topics are an indication of the message within, I think, "Frank the farmhand -racist" would tend to be read as "Frank the Farmhand is racist". Maybe "Frank the farmhand -racism warning" or "Frank the farmhand contains racism" would be better.

To the comment made by DGMcphee *Sigh* I thought this forum was for over 16 year olds ? Grow up, and if you have nothing constructive to say, don’t reply to my posts – unintelligent remarks bore me.

#1. The forum isn't for over 16 year olds, it's just a recommended maturity level.
#2. DG is well past that age.
#3. The fact that he has a sense of humour doesn't indicate low maturity ^_^

[DGMacphee]

To those of you who don't seem to of read my text properly, I suggest you go back and re read, as you'll see that I say the game should come with a ‘racism warning' noting that there is racism in the game (unless you are going to try and find an argument in the fact that watching a scene of KKK trying to burn a black boy, isn't showing a racist scene ?!?!?) I didn't say the author was racist (again, for those of you who seem to have trouble deciphering sentences,) I merely said I found the racist scenes offensive. It's just purely my opinion.
To the comment made by DGMcphee *Sigh* I thought this forum was for over 16 year olds ? Grow up, and if you have nothing constructive to say, don't reply to my posts â€" unintelligent remarks bore me.

First off all, Frank the Farmhand is about as racist as Stevie Wonder converting to Buddhism.

Secondly, it's an amatuer computer game that portrays a KKK burning. That doesn't mean that the scene is racially offensive or the game is racially offensive. You haven't even considered thingys like context or authoritorial intent. I mean, it's like claiming O Brother Where Art Thou is racially offensive cause it has a KKK scene.

Thirdly, if you don't like my unintelligent comments, piss off. You've only been here for, what? A whole day? And already you're making misguided comments about a game and me. Hell, there are people who have been picketing a movie theatre for the last week because it was going to play 'Birth of a Nation' (which contains ACTUAL racially offensive scenes). They're doing something that seems a little more important. Meanwhile, you are wasting your life away picketing a game that's a VERY minor blip on Professor McSmartyBrain's Racist-o-meter.

Finally, go refill your crack-pipe, hippy!

[Darth Mandarb]

Perhaps the game should have blurry boxes over the clan members so we can't really see them?Ã,  I mean, we wouldn't want to offend anybody right?

Or maybe the word nigger should be spelled ni&*er just so it doesn't actually say nigger.Ã,  God forbid!!!

I think the game should be remade ... and instead of the kkk burning the little boy, they could befriend him and give him some flowers and they could all sing bible songs.Ã,  That's how it would really happen you know?

I'm starting the official boycott of 'Frank The Farmhand' ... that racist twat pig!!!!

[flinnt]

*Laughs at DGMcphee* No, no you're SOOOOOO right, the word 'nigger' isnt racist at all! Why are you getting so worked up - have you no life ?
My opinion is that Frank The Farmhand has racist scenes in - deal with it. I have better things to do than have verbal duelings with someone who cant even have a mature conversation and reverts to name calling. Go back to playschool. *Laughs again*

[DGMacphee]

Darth:
Maybe they should digitally edit all weapons into walkie-talkies too.

And instead of 'nigger', they should say 'African-Americans who weren't appreciated at one point in history'.

flinnt:
I'm not getting worked up. You're the one going nuts whenever you hear the word 'nigger'.

[Al_Ninio]

My opinion is that Frank The Farmhand has racist scenes in - deal with it.

Frank the Farmhand has racist scenes in it - deal with it.

[veryweirdguy]

I'm not denying your opinion, but may I ask why you find it offensive?

Y'see it is generally accepted that the KKK were racists. They were more famous for that than they were for......their beautiful singing voices. It is historically accurate, & this is what thye were like. Nothing we can change about it.

If you found a book containing information about the KKK, would you be offended because it shows people being racist?

By that logic, all knowledge of the KKK, or even the Nazis, or Stalin, should be erased IMMEDIATELY!

In fact, the hero of the game specifially tries to prevent the burning, & therefore trying to prevent racism, & as I remember the KKK are not portrayed as the most intelligent bunch anyway.

Just a few things to think about.

EDIT: And don't make DG angry.....you wouldn't like him when he's angry.....

[DGMacphee]

I wonder what Comedy Central's top comedian has to say?

[Darth Mandarb]

Ive just had to stop playing Frank the Farmhand as i found it quite offensive. To have to watch cut scenes of Klu Klux Klan members trying to burn a boy on the steak and having the word 'nigger' said every few scenes i think that it should not just come with a language warning (as pointed out on ags games site,) but with a racism warning also!

I don't think it should come with a racist warning ... but perhaps a 'mature content' warning.Ã,  But then again, it's just an amatuer (underground) type game ... why bother?

Although, I must say, if I had to be burned ... I wouldn't mind it being on a steak. Ã, As long as there was a good steak sauce (like A-1) and maybe a baked potato (with sour cream and bacon - hell ... if I'm being burned on the steak why not? Ã, Who cares about cholesterol?!)

[Kinoko]

If you think DG's being so immature then ignore him. Respond to MY post! I made a pretty god damn valid point. The way I see it is this.

Your topic seems to quite blatantly say that you think the game is racist. That's just the way it sounds and so that's why people get the impression that that's your opinion.

You DON'T think the game is racist, you just think there are scenes of racism in there, and you wanted a warning that you were going to be subjected to this sort of thing before playing the game. Yes? Yes.

What I'm saying is that to avoid this confusion - change your topic to something clearer, as I suggested above.

Also, it's not a good idea to just start insulting people in a forum you're completely new to. You have no idea about what the people you're speaking to are really like, or the context of what they're saying, plus it's not going to make you very popular. People have a good point there.

If people want to make the comment that they think it's somewhat silly to be offended by scenes of racism, that's also fine - that's basically discussing your topic with their own opinions.

On a personal note, the thing that I find distasteful are comments like, "*sigh*" and "so-and-so bore me" and "*Laughs*" because it sounds very defensive and arrogant (in a bad arrogant kind of way). There's no need to flaunt your supposed maturity like that.

*Throws head back and laughs heartily while walking away waving a hand dismissingly*
"It amuses me so."


Darth - Damn, beat me to that steak comment. ^_-

[Sutebi]

Flinnt, are you a black american? Because if not, I think this is a moot point and you are just making an uproar for no reason.

This is not something that should be protested, we should never rewrite history, no matter how dark it is. It's our darkest mistakes and how we learn from them that makes our country so great. The KKK, the Black Panther movement, and various other things like that may have been very ill thought-out and stupid, but they happened and it's just something you have to accept.

Actually, I even rank Birth of a Nation as one of the most important films of all time. Not because of the racism (I've seen it, and the racism in it is actually really ridiculous) but because it was the first full-length film created. It is actually a pretty accurate portrayal of the South's emotions during postbellum years. It's actually educational to a point.

[Potch]

To those of you who don't seem to of read my text properly, I suggest you go back and re read, as you'll see that I say the game should come with a ‘racism warning' noting that there is racism in the game (unless you are going to try and find an argument in the fact that watching a scene of KKK trying to burn a black boy, isn't showing a racist scene ?!?!?) I didn't say the author was racist (again, for those of you who seem to have trouble deciphering sentences,) I merely said I found the racist scenes offensive. It's just purely my opinion.
To the comment made by DGMcphee *Sigh* I thought this forum was for over 16 year olds ? Grow up, and if you have nothing constructive to say, don't reply to my posts â€" unintelligent remarks bore me.

I don't post much on these boards, other than to get hints, but this was something I felt I had to address.  Being a person who has fought against racism and the n-word (I refuse to even type it) for many years, you would think that I would find this game offensive.  But, in fact, I do not.  This my only be an underground adventure game, but the poignancy of the KKK scene is something real.  We should not be censored to the truth.  The KKK has committed such attrocities on the human race, that is important to show it everyone to show just how wrong they are.  In reality, the scene was very true.  Things like that really happen.  The characters in the scene are in fact racist.  But the scene is true to life.  If the game was saying something bad about black people, then I would say... yes.  Put a racist warning on it.  But it is not.  It is depicting a very true, and terrible scene.  We can't shelter ourselves from the truth. 

Another point to consider:  I am against racism in any form, but I think sometimes people take the censorship of it way to far.  It is people like Flinnt that are the reason some of the greatest films of all time are banned.  Take for example Walt Disney's Song of the South.  That film has some of the most memorable characters ever created and contains stories the people of all ages can learn from.  LIke Uncle Remus says. "Those who can't learn from a tale about critters, just don't have a ear for listenin'"  Our children are sheltered from reading about Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby, and seeing Uncle Remus sing Zip A Dee Doo Da.  Why?  Because someone decided the film was racist, due to the fact that some of the characters speak in the dialect of the slaves in the south.  That's the way the people spoke back then.  There is nothing wrong with it.  And yet the film is banned, and Disney won't release it.   I was actually able to see a copy of the film for the first time in about 20 years, about three months ago.  Someone ordered a bootlegged copy from Europe and sent it to my dad.  There was nothing objective in it at all.

When we start sheltering ourselves from the truth, this is what happens.  There is no way to draw the line.  We would just lose too much. 

[edmundito]

Let's clear up the confusion. The context of using the phrase "Racist Scenes" is a term too broad and I think that by default it implies that the game itself is supporting race discrimination; that the scenes are in fact racists against others. A more proper way to say this would be "Scenes depicting racism". This is what Flinnt meant.

I checked in the games database, and the games does warn about mild violence. I haven't played the game myself, but I guess as soon as I get home (at work right now) I'll take a look at it to see what the whole commotion is.

Topics like racism are things that vary from country to country. Someone from any country might find things offensive in another coutnry if they don't understand that other's countries depictions of things.

If you didn't like the game, just throw it in your Window$ Recycling Bin and empty it. The End.