Wintermute ARMY!!!

DCillusion · Sun 19/12/2004 23:08:02

Recently, I read an AGS post stating that Wintermute, (a comparable AGS-type program), had introduced 3D character support into it's programming.

I checked it out, and two things were really odd:

1 - Wintermute doesn't SEEM to have any COMPLETED games. I looked around, and could only find demos or previews of upcoming titles, (even though this engine has been around for , like, 2 years or something.

2 - Wintermute forum members seem INCREDIBLY militant against AGS, and the subject, apparently, comes up often. I found quite a few posts involving AGS. When an AGS member warned about a Spammer on the AGS forums, all that followed was constant flaming.

It's weird that Wintermute hates AGS so much when both are completely F-R-E-E!!

I had no idea there was a war going on.

No one told AGSers. Wintermute rarely comes up...... if at all. Has anyone else noticed this? Did I just catch them on a bad day?

Sylpher · Sun 19/12/2004 23:19:02

Those with a smaller weenie are often first to throw stones.

Edit:
For a more serious reply. Last time I checked nobody here is in any sort of competition with anyone. Especially with our own kind. If they have some sort of egotistical wish to be the greatest then good for them. I will be first to give them the award because I sure as hell don't want it.

Lazy Z · Sun 19/12/2004 23:34:03

I check the Wintermute forums on a semi-regular basis, and I have never noticed any sort of competitive/aggressive behavior towards AGS and its community. So I guess it was just a bad day. And even if this weren't the case, why should we care? I can't speak on behalf of all the community, but I think that if some people want to be hostile against the AGS community for whatever reason, then that's their own problem.

Oh and Sophia's Debt and Dead City are both finished games created with Wintermute. There might be more, but I haven't noticed any. But yeah, it's a bit weird that more finished games aren't available, since the engine is not complicated or anything.

Candle · Sun 19/12/2004 23:34:56

What about Joe .

Adamski · Sun 19/12/2004 23:35:57

If there's some sort of war going on then it's completely one sided. Most people here don't give a damn about engine-penis-size comparison or whatever, we just want to make games that aren't being done commercially anymore without any jerkary or prejudice about what tools we're using. If individuals get hung up about which one is better or comunity politics or blargh, they they'll never get around to making a damn good game. Which is the whole point really.

Erwin_Br · Sun 19/12/2004 23:46:44

The engine's around for two years, you say? Well, then I'm not surprised only a few games have been finished with it. I mean, it usually takes a while before an engine gets well known. Sometimes it also takes a while before an engine is fully-featured. Plus, it takes 1 or 2 years to finish a game! You can't really compare some of the small, rushed AGS games with a big title like Project Joe, or The Curves of Danger. Not that AGS doesn't have it's fair share of big games, of course. But again, AGS has been around for much longer.

--Erwin

DCillusion · Mon 20/12/2004 00:06:50

I don't think any of us should lose sleep over it, but it was just sort of a "HUH? What" moment for me. If that makes sense to anybody.

TheYak · Mon 20/12/2004 00:57:39

Actually, it's not terribly surprising. There were a few individuals awhile back plugging the Wintermute engine like mad. We've had posts varying from the 'friendly information' kind to 'AGS sucks'. It was the subject of a couple of arguments a year or so ago. For my part, I tried the engine and felt just a little too boxed in when it came to personalization and I didn't feel the 2D effects were useful enough to justify the increase in recommended horsepower.

Gilbert · Mon 20/12/2004 01:16:17

It's actually a conspiracy, actually a guy named Chris Jones wrote Wintermute. He was sent by Micro$oft in a mission to stir up adventure gamers, so M$ would release their killer programme CJ offered to make - the Adventure Explorer, formerly known as Internet Adventurer...

Spoiler

What? They're all jokes of course. In my opinion, everyone can just use the programme he loves, there's no point in arguing or fighting, and I just think that in general the users of these two engines just don't interact much, none of which side has any real bad feeling to the other.

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Nacho · Mon 20/12/2004 07:31:30

But DC, what are you trying to say we should do? If it is true that some Wintermuters flame us and we do something about it, we would be closer to those who do not act correctly... I don't see the point of caring of it.

DCillusion · Mon 20/12/2004 07:38:17

It was just something funny that felt like sharing. I don't want this to turn into a memory-clogging discussion like that "Bible" thing a while back with 10,000 pages. It's flattering to be thought about & muddled over so often.

Gilbert · Mon 20/12/2004 09:44:54

I understand that, but I'm seeing a problem (maybe that's just me) that the subject of this thread did imply something.

DGMacphee · Mon 20/12/2004 13:02:56

Ooo, those dastardly Wintermuters! Theys be cloggin's ours 'dventure makin' communities with theirs hoity-toity adventures engine! Thinks they're so good, huh? Well, I hope they reads my message! I'll give them a good capitalisation WITH ALL MY MIGHT! I MIGHT EVEN END WITH A FEW EXCLAIMATION MARKS AND SOME ONES! YEAH, THAT'LL SHOW 'EM! HOW DO YOU LIKES THAT, 'MUTERS? NOT SO TOUGHS NOW ARE YA? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!1!1!

jetxl · Mon 20/12/2004 13:32:45

Who cares.
AGS is the bigger community anyway.
AGS:Ã,Â Total Topics: 6519, Total Posts: 90283, Total Members: 2366
Wintermute: 5833 Posts in 726 Topics by 223 Members

Wintermute game (demo???)

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Topic: Project Joe demoÃ,Â (Read 262 times)Ã,Â
Â« on: October 18, 2004, 08:39:20 AM Â»

AGS game

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Topic: Two of a Kind - v1.01Ã,Â (Read 3710 times)Ã,Â
Â« on: 05 Nov 2004, 04:02 Â»

As you can see, AGS is a wooping 14 times more populair.

The word "wintermute" is mentioned in 15 posts on the ags forums, while "ags" is mentioned in 55 posts on the wintermute forums.
Conclusion: Wintermuters are obsessed with ags and agsers don't even know what wintermute is (just like me before I red this topic).

ALSO, THEY DON'T GOT MITTENS!

Babar · Mon 20/12/2004 13:37:53

Quote from: jetxl on Mon 20/12/2004 13:32:45
Who cares.

Hehe.... you said that, and then wrote up a whole post showing the research you had done to explain who.

jetxl · Mon 20/12/2004 13:50:35

I wanted to know if it was a big community.
And I came to the conclusion that it isn't.

-that's all- ; )

Nacho · Mon 20/12/2004 14:54:27

Which community???

jetlag · Tue 21/12/2004 12:01:27

Exactly

Nacho · Tue 21/12/2004 12:08:28

earlwood · Tue 21/12/2004 19:31:24

QuoteNote that the demo is almost 150 MB large (sorry, dial-up users...), and you will need a decent 3D accelerated videocard and at least 256 MB of RAM.

I can only imagine why people would be more prone to use AGS, though it looks like it may be worth looking into.

Wintermute ARMY!!!

jetlag