TLOTLL: Finally!rough Gloria Concept piece. (EDIT: new art 17/04/05)

dasjoe · Tue 19/04/2005 02:05:55

in my opinion she looks a bit too old in that sketch, compared to previous ones.
now she looks like she's about 15.. especially the eye and eyebrow cause that effect.
but that may aswell be just my impression

oh, and that blue eyes and brown hair rarely mix. i would expect her eyes to be green or brown

ear is a bit too far on the back side of the head, maybe move it a bit towards the nose.

otherwise great work, love the colours.

viktor · Tue 19/04/2005 09:21:08

cool sketches. I relay like your stile. How do you colour the sketches. With a computer or an actual brush? If you use the computer how do you make it look like watercolors.

Stefano · Tue 19/04/2005 14:43:16

I like all your so called sketches (look like final art to me). In the side view, though, some things bothered my eye. Here's a sketch of what I think you could (not necessarily) change:

keep the eye size you drew in past "sketches".
eye and eyebrow in a more frontal position (they're looking 3/4 view)
nose\forehead\chin: altered "geography" (hehe)
gave more body to the hair. Brought some of it, clorer to the face.
almost erased the jaw line... try to just shade it.

Cheers,
Stefano

Babar · Tue 19/04/2005 15:58:50

the only problem with the ear (as far as I can see) is that too much of it is visible, and the hair behind it doesn't look like it is going behind an ear. It looks like she has an ear tacked on to her hair and hat. Also, isn't her neck too big?

Haddas · Tue 19/04/2005 16:01:37

Too OLD! that could be a woman in her late teens early twenties!

DanClarke · Tue 19/04/2005 16:19:05

Quote from: Babar on Tue 19/04/2005 15:58:50
the only problem with the ear (as far as I can see) is that too much of it is visible, and the hair behind it doesn't look like it is going behind an ear. It looks like she has an ear tacked on to her hair and hat. Also, isn't her neck too big?

Lol yeah the edit looks a lot like my mum, but alas she looks far too old in that sketch. Yeah im not at all happy with the hat, and the ear is probably a bit too big. As for the neck, i think it is quite long but im not so sure if it's too long for it to look wrong, rather than suiting the style. Ill probably redo it taking into account some of the comments here, cheers for the feedback everybody, appreciated as always.

Scummbuddy · Tue 19/04/2005 16:37:38

I, too, had a problem with the placement of the eye. For me, it looked odd because her eye wasn't centered around the bridge of the nose. I did a photoshop job to show you what i meant.

(now that i see my version here, i would, and have now done so on my saved file, move the eye just a small bit towards the nose more.)

and again, yes this image does make her look a bit older than she is... but not that much. oh, and i must say, you have such a talent. keep up the fantastic work. I cant wait to get my hands on a demo.

Stefano · Tue 19/04/2005 16:47:09

Quote from: DanClarke on Tue 19/04/2005 16:19:05
Lol yeah the edit looks a lot like my mum

Hahahahahhahahaha!

Guess I was so woried about changes, I did't pay much attention to her youth.

Well, I gess I have a thing for long necks. Zei look sooo Art Noveau, frrrench ilustrrrration...

Scummbuddy,
I think if Dan was going for a childish look, so the low eyes are just fine.

Al_Ninio · Tue 19/04/2005 16:59:30

Here's my take on the eye, as it is really the only thing that bothers me about your drawing.

Also added a tiny diagram to show how the eyelids wrap around the eye from different angles, might be helpful.

Edit: Modified with somewhat less-evil-looking eye... I just think the original eye gives her a sort of alien look, no offense, of course.

Babar · Tue 19/04/2005 17:01:39

eeee....not so sure about the HGal....she looks evil and very un-innocent there. Maybe because the blue is too pale?

Andail · Tue 19/04/2005 18:27:58

There are indeed some minor issues with her ear and eye. Rather hard to pinpoint, though.
I made an attempt.

old:

edit:

* removed outlining from the front of the eye (this was too marked, imo) Also made the eye a bit more from the side - in profile you probably don't see much more than this of the iris and pupil.
* moved the ear and jawline. I see now that the ear could be moved even further down. Even though the nifty effect of the ear covering the cap, the ear was situated unnaturally far back, in my opinion. I think she might look younger now, as well.

Just some thoughts. Maybe they don't help at all....

loominous · Tue 19/04/2005 21:24:39

The changes should be explanatory, or so I hope.

Nice casual lines and form. The shading is somewhat strange though and doesn't really help convey the form imo.

rookworm3 · Wed 20/04/2005 08:26:31

On the eye question, i found the small/ black eye style in the first two sketches to be quite charming and sort of a defining characteristic, so the new blue eye sketch seems like a totally different character. This is not to say the more realistic version isn't striking (especially in loominous' edit).

-RW3

DanClarke · Wed 20/04/2005 12:32:08

Quote from: loominous on Tue 19/04/2005 21:24:39

The changes should be explanatory, or so I hope.

Nice casual lines and form. The shading is somewhat strange though and doesn't really help convey the form imo.

Nice edit Loominous, i like what you've done with the shading in particular, although i think he bone structure looks a bit too 'defined' for her age.

As for the eye, i did say in the original post that the style doesnt represent how she looks in game, its just that i like to mess with different styles, to see what i can achieve.