the demon

[stuh505]

a while ago I posted a demon sketch
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=20509.0

I've given it a bit of a redesign that I think fits the character better.

concept:




when drawing the concept, I couldn't decide on the specifics of the body.

Anyway, take a look at the preliminary model, tell me what you think of the new look.Ã,  I will probably be re-making it for the actual game, this is more of a preliminary test.

NOte: this is not textured yet, but you can see the shape.Ã, 









The demon is not inherently evil, because I do not believe in such a concept.Ã,  His actions may seem evil to men, but that is only because we do not understand his perspective.Ã,  He comes from the world of the dead, and he is immortal, so he's pretty accustomed to seeing death and he has never felt human loss so he can't possibl understand it.Ã,  All the demons can understand is that it can be very funny to watch how the humans react when you poke holes in their babies.Ã,  But, being immortal, they are very knowleable.Ã,  I want my demon to convey a sense of fear, ominance, ancience.

after modelling the head, I have gone through my magic cards looking for inspiration, and decided to model the torso after Lord of the Pit



alright and here's one more still untextured but gives a bit of a feel of the way I want him to look

[hedgefield]

My God, that looks absolutely amazing! :o

Since I don't know much about 3D modelling I can't really crit this, but to me, the nose sort of reminds me of a pig. And maybe the neck should be a little broader, mainly at the back.

The model looks really good, can't imagine how cool it will be when it's all done and textured.

[Ubel]

:o

That is just... :o

No critics!

[Haddas]

I kinda lliked it better without the glowing eyes. Like there are no eyes. Just the pits. and that they'd be a little bigger .

[Oliver]

Whoa! Very very good.  :o

But there is this one thing, the nose....like said earlier it's like a pigs nose.

[Stefano]

The daemon's point of view... that's really interesting. If you can get players (humans) to understand this concept during the game (tough one), you can come up with a hell of a game.

One thing about your model:
It's excelent and well sculpted, but I liked it better when it looked more like an animal (in your other post).


Did you use ZBrush?

Cheers,
Stefano

[Peter Thomas]

Why does he look so evil? He's a demon, I understand that, but you say he's not inherently evil, and he's just really misunderstood by men. For me, as soon as I look at his face I tend to think otherwise. He looks evil, he looks nasty, he looks violent. I think I'd find it incredibly hard to identify with any 'morals' of this chap.

For what he is - this is an absolutely amazing sculpture. I've no crits on the structure, formation or technicalities of what you've done. I'd just like... i dunno... an identifiable demon...(?)

[Stefano]

I think what he is aiming at the "to look and be evil is a human concept" stuff. If he looks evil to you, that's exactly how you must see it. You're human after all!

The interesting thing is, the perspective of the daemon. Picture yourself as a kid killing ants. The ants (supposing they could be capable of such complex thinking) would probably see you and your expression as evil. And you probably wouldn't think you're doing anything wrong. You're, in fact, having the time of your life! 

I said kid, because once you grow up a little bit, momma and daddy teach you that ants are living beings... that you should not kill'em... yadda, yadda.

Cheers,
Stefano

[stuh505]

Hey,

Stefano has hit the nail on the head.  The players will not identify with the demon, but I must understand the motives of the demon in order to come up with a good plot.  There are a lot of elements of the story which the player will not necessarily know about, but which are there to help me make the story as full as possible.

So, Peter,
I DO want the demon to look as evil and badass as possible.  I'm going to do my best to make the player fear him.  But to destroy him, you must also understand what his motivations are.  You cant trap an animal you dont understand.

The concept of the skull looked cool, but I veered away from the skull and wings for some logical reasons.  First, it does not make sense for a skull to be a head, as cool as it may look.  The wings are being removed because the demons can turn into black smoke sort of like the character in x-men 2, and they don't live in this world, and they don't need wings where they live.

Yes, to anyone who has seen ZBrush, it should be pretty obvious that it was used here   I did not model it in ZBrush though.  In fact, all the Zbrushing will have to be thrown away now that I have connected the head to the body, I had to change the mesh a bit.

Haddas,
The eyes are always the most difficult thing!  Haha.  Well, I don't know about pits...but I could try to make some scary looking regular eyeballs.  Something to keep in mind, but I won't be getting into that until I'm done with the main mesh.

I'm not sure I agree that it has a pig nose...I suppose slightly it does, but it looks more like a the bones behind the nose to me.  Anyway, the nose was the trickiest part to design I thought, but I'm fairly happy with it.

[stuh505]

Ok, torso is coming along pretty well.  I'm having trouble thinking of how to make the legs and feet better.  I'll show you what I've got.  Don't be afraid to do paintovers or anything like you do for regular sprites, it can still be helpful!

[Helm]

the arms are a lot longer that you'd want in humanoid anatomy. Also, this guy looks strikingly like the shadow of the beast dude. A plus in my book

[InCreator]

While head is Zbrush usage at its best, lower part of body looks... well, boring.
I would try giving him massive, strong feet... and maybe a

* Heavy killer scropion tail, which looks just like an extension of backbone
-or-
* Really big demonic wings (though they are probably super difficult to model  )

Enourmous fists and feet would rule very much.

[LGM]

Yea.. He needs like, hooves.. With spikes running along his legs and arms.. And just really big hands. Humanoid or claws, either would be awesome. .They just need to be BIG.

[stuh505]

Hmph.  I had wanted to make the demon a little less classical.  I wanted him to be almost in the shape of a human, aside from the 2 horns.  I didn't want wings because...I can't come up with a logical explanation for them.  The wings would have to be ridiculously big for them to actually work.  But if I can't make him extremely scary without giving him claws and wings, well then, he will have to have claws and wings.  Is this more to your liking?

[geomis]

WOW!!!!!!! :o THAT THING IS THE COOLEST!!!!!!!!!
you must make WICKED GAMES!!!!!!!!!

[Haddas]

more wrinkles, more veins, more rib visible through chest, you know what I'm saying?

[geomis]

yeah that would make it cooler cause if its unable to die it must be looking very old or some thing

[Sam.]

i like it more with wings, ewhayt i don't like is the name, it doesn' really strike fear into my heart.

[Babar]

blehh....forget the wings, they look wrinkled and unusable. But you do need something to add to the fear. Something non-humanoid. A huge naked man in a mask is not really scary. Not got many ideas though....perhaps 4 arms? double jointed limbs? weird bumps/spikes/tentacles on the skin?
Btw, keep the claws! Demons can't rip out your heart and laugh at you with those blunt fingers!

[Oliver]

Maybe add some hi tech stuff to him. Some guns to his hands and wires and stuff to his chest that keep him alive.


Hmmm, or maybe he isn't one of *those* deamons.