Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory 2005

Blackthorne · Mon 18/07/2005 06:13:34

Quote from: [lgm] on Mon 18/07/2005 04:39:25
I don't think I've ever seen a Burton film with shit in it.

You must be thinking of Cliff Burton

Easy mistake. (Though he is rather dead)

I find Tim Burton cliched and pretentious. But some people like him. I really thouht Charlie and The Chocolate Factory was his typical steaming pile of shit offering.

Interestingly enough, I liked his version of Planet Of The Apes in moments. Probably because it wasn't much like his other films.

HOWEVER, I have not seen Big Fish, though through the magic of gifting, I own it. Many people I know claim that to be a good film. I want to give it a view.

And why the senseless reference to Cliff Burton? When he was in the band, Metallica produced a lot of fine music. Tut tut.

Bt

LGM · Mon 18/07/2005 16:20:39

I just picked the first Burton name I found :-p

I don't really notice the cliche's you speak of, but sure he can be pretentious... But so can any director... Krubrick, Speilberg, etc.

Tiki · Mon 18/07/2005 16:45:02

Hopefully I'll get around to seeing this today.. I trust Burton and Depp enough to assume that I will get an entertaining movie.

Blackthorne, I think you ought to be much more specific, rather than throwing around the occasional 'cliche' and 'steaming pile of shit'. I'd much rather you gave us some useful opinions. Otherwise, none of us are benefiting from this discussion, and perhaps only angers are provoked.

Potch · Mon 18/07/2005 17:15:25

We were going to see this movie this weekend, but ended up river rafting instead. I'm anxious to see it, as I've heard numerous times that it's much closer to the book. As a kid, I read Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator more times than I can count. I was a huge fan of Roald Dahl growing up. His stuff is so deliciously twisted. While I love the original movie, it always irritated me how different it was from the book. The movie was much more whimsical then the book was. Not that I mind a little whimsy once in a while! I'm looking forward to seeing a darker version of the story. And I am fans of Tim Burton and Johnny Depp... SO I'm thinking I'll probably enjoy it.

Incidently, Blackthorne... my boyfriend and I both absolutely loved Big Fish. While it has it's cliche moments, it's the weidest, funniest adventure I've ever seen. Even my dad liked it, and he doesn't like anything.

MillsJROSS · Mon 18/07/2005 20:47:10

Saw the movie a couple days ago, and enjoyed it. You can't really compare the two Willy Wonka's from either movie as they are completely different roles. Johnny Depp couldn't have portrayed it as well as Gene Wilder, and Gene Wilder couldn't have portrayed Willy how Depp portrayed them.

The kids were well casted, and it had some great funny moments. Whether either one is better than the other is merely up to the individual. Personally, I like the older one better, but Gene Wilder is one of my favorite comic actors and I love musicals. Also I've grown up with the movie, so my view point will naturally be slanted.

I do have to say, the most exciting thing, though, was the preview for Tim Burtons next movie Corpse Bride. I loved the Nightmare Before Christmas, and the game Neverhood made me appreciate claymation. I also am glad to see Danny Elfman is doing the music for Corpse Bride, too. He did a great job with Nightmare.

-MillsJROSS

edmundito · Mon 18/07/2005 22:49:30

Quote from: MillsJROSS on Mon 18/07/2005 20:47:10
Saw the movie a couple days ago, and enjoyed it. You can't really compare the two Willy Wonka's from either movie as they are completely different roles. Johnny Depp couldn't have portrayed it as well as Gene Wilder, and Gene Wilder couldn't have portrayed Willy how Depp portrayed them.

I think it's fine to compare both movies, but I don't think the newer was meant to completely replace the older movie. My friend said "I don't know... I still like the older movie.", well it's not l ike this movie is supposed to change your mind about it; it's not a competition or anything. It's kind of like... Batman vs. Batman Begins because they're both great movies but they're completely different in style.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to seeing this movie and I'll go see it once my friends are not sick/working/etc.

monkey0506 · Mon 18/07/2005 22:55:39

Quote from: MillsJROSS on Mon 18/07/2005 20:47:10
Saw the movie a couple days ago, and enjoyed it. You can't really compare the two Willy Wonka's from either movie as they are completely different roles. Johnny Depp couldn't have portrayed it as well as Gene Wilder, and Gene Wilder couldn't have portrayed Willy how Depp portrayed them.

The kids were well casted, and it had some great funny moments. Whether either one is better than the other is merely up to the individual. Personally, I like the older one better, but Gene Wilder is one of my favorite comic actors and I love musicals. Also I've grown up with the movie, so my view point will naturally be slanted.

I do have to say, the most exciting thing, though, was the preview for Tim Burtons next movie Corpse Bride. I loved the Nightmare Before Christmas, and the game Neverhood made me appreciate claymation. I also am glad to see Danny Elfman is doing the music for Corpse Bride, too. He did a great job with Nightmare.

-MillsJROSS

I haven't seen the movie, but this makes me want to even more than I already did. I too have seen the Wilder Wonka several hundred times throughout my childhood, and interestingly enough it is one of the few musicals I liked.

Also Corpse Bride looks excellent IMO. I thought that NBC had a few too many songs, but other than that it looked good. I saw the world premiere trailer for CB on Adult Swim though, and it looks amazing. Tim Burton has an insane amount of talent with stop animation.

Bluke4x4 · Tue 19/07/2005 01:13:44

I saw this movie. Very good. I saw the trailer for a movie called Barnyard by Steve Oedekerk. I 'm going to go see that next year. Corpse Bride trailer also looks very good.

Potch · Mon 15/08/2005 17:08:15

Ah, well, sorry to drudge up an old thread, but I FINALLY got see the new movie. I thought it was great! I thought Johnny Depp was hilairious, of course, I don't think I've ever seen Johnny Depp put on a bad performance. I liked the fact that the story was much closer to the book. I love that kid who plays Charlie. He's a great little actor. I thought the original Veruca was better. but, as someone else said, you really can't compare the two movies. They went in two totally different directions. After watching the new, we went home and watched the old one. I love both of them for different reasons.

All and all, it was a pretty good theater-going experience. We saw it at the Egyptian Theater in Boise, which is this old, restored theater with sphinxes and egyptian paintings and stuff... it's really cool. Seeing a whimsical movie like that at that particular theater was fun. And I had my "yay" moment when I saw the Goblet of Fire trailer.

[Cameron] · Wed 17/08/2005 12:01:33

Johnny Depp has never given a bad performance. Hmm... His Elm Street performance. I cant remember much of it, but from what I can remember it was ok. But then again he was younger and less experienced. Anyone know much about this?

Chicky · Wed 17/08/2005 12:21:03

Me and Amy went to see it. I was surprised at how good it was, i really liked it and Johnny Depp did a great job, he didnt looks as pretty as he does in POTC though.

That Guy · Tue 23/08/2005 02:27:30

Quote from: [Cameron] on Wed 17/08/2005 12:01:33
Johnny Depp has never given a bad performance. Hmm... His Elm Street performance. I cant remember much of it, but from what I can remember it was ok. But then again he was younger and less experienced. Anyone know much about this?

I know that it was either his first role, or that he was enough of an unknown at the time for it to be as if it was. The role itself wasn't too bad.

Ali · Tue 23/08/2005 02:31:13

I loved the film, definitely a return to form for Timmy B. By far my favourite line was "That's the puppet burns ward... it's relatively new."

Film Trivia: Depp wasn't credited for his Elm Street performance.

auhsor · Tue 23/08/2005 05:24:54

Hmm still havn't seen this movie. I think I missed out in it at the cinema which is annoying, but I'm sure I'll get it out on DVD.

Las Naranjas · Tue 23/08/2005 09:23:42

It's still posted as coming soon, but I'm not surprised you thought you missed it considering films seem to run for two weeks and then get to DVD as soon as possible.

Potch · Tue 23/08/2005 16:05:14

Actually, I never said "Johnny Depp has never put on a bad performance" What I said was, "I don't think I've ever seen Johnny Depp put on a bad performance" There is a big difference there. I have actually never seen Elm Street, so it doesn't apply to what I said.

PaulSC · Thu 25/08/2005 01:11:04

Finally saw this today. It's funny, after all the pre-release moaning about Burton 'pointlessly messing with a classic', this one certainly turned out about ten times more enjoyable then this years piece of shit Batman remake!

This and the 70's film should really switch titles, because this was Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory all the way, with Charlie's story trailing in third. I think the first film cut to the heart of the story better, and in a more emotionally involving way, but this one did a much better job of fleshing out Dahl's world and just making a fun, funny visual ride out of the whole story. Depp was pretty hilarious the whole time, and Elfman's songs were (again) fun, even if the lyrics were too hard to make out. Nothing beats the original Umpa-Loompa song, though.

And man, that Corpse Bride looks good. If Burton can nail that one, i'll finally forgive him for that whole Planet Of The Apes thing.

Potch · Thu 25/08/2005 16:11:08

If I recall correctly, and I could be way wrong about this, but I think most, if not all of the lyrics to the oompa loompa songs were taken directly out of the book.

What I think is really funny is how people say he was messing with a classic. The same thing could be said about the first movie. It was based on the book, but deviated pretty far from it. The new movie was much closer to it. Don't get me wrong, I love both films though.