John Cleese: Declaration of Revocation (of American independance)

[Nikolas]

Well arithmetike (I spelled the prononciation wrongly, so?), means arithimitcs. And if you check the greek work it is eta and not iota...

[esper]

see, you don't even know your own language... that's eta, not iota

That's what I said!

And no, arithmancy doesn't mean arithmetic. The key is the suffix "MANCY."

{This is getting way off topic now}

[Nacho]

That's a good point too, although I don't think it's what you intended.

Oh, cool, if I make good points that's because I wasn't intending to. It is great to know that a member pressumes that I am severelly idiot.

And Petter, Almodóvar is terribly boring for me. I preffer Amenábar Ã, .

Anyway the good cinema joke (being the life of Brian an English film) is something I think monthy Python would include in this hypothethic film. Saying european films are bad in an English movie is the kind of things they do, and I love because they can have a laugh about theirselves.

Refering to other things, as many times you people do, focus on my examples better than in the spirit of the posts. I know the rocketry started in Germany, by Von Braun, but I don't think any historian would kill me if I said it was "developed" in the US. Anyway, the spirit of the post is that pressuming we could do better is going too far. And no one has still replied to me we could.

You just say, "well, they should have learned, no?" Why? Had the brits learned of the romans? Had the Romans learned of the babilonians? Why are we demmanding to the americans something we were not able to archieve?

And I am not very americanised. Actually, I see the world as a global town and I think I form part of America, as occidental, (in the same way you are Ã, ). I wear levi's, ride a trek bicycle, have a Ford, use Windows, hear the doors... But I am not totally pro-yankee. I hate McDonald's and family man. I do not automatically accept something if its american. I just choose. In some sort of way I do not watch flags, basically because I am terribly annoyed by the "spanish pride" that press like to boast anytime something sprouts, like a F-1 driver, or a new tennis player. I actually preffer to hear the driver, or the tennis player.

My press is annoyingly devoted to Fernando Alonso. I think he is very unpleasant. He annoys me and I preffer Kimmi. The press here is devoted to Rafael Nadal, the tennis player. I've heard him in interviews and he does not call my attention... I've seen Dani Pedrosa, the motorcycle ryder, and I like him. I want him to pass to Moto GP and win Rossi, which is a dork for me. I love Lance, as you can see in my avatar. And my favourite national team is... Sweden, because I like Larsson and Ljumberg.

So, I am not terrible pro-yankee, as you can see... It is just that they do not annoy me because I don't think my country or my community (Europe) is better. Maybe we can flip the omelette and say that you are very Europeanised, or Sweded! Ã,  Maybe I am 20% pro yankee by definition, but you are 20% anti, recognise it!

Nothing serious, because you are because you are uthopic and you do in care of the traditions and beliefs of your contry, I like your attitude... It is just that I am less uthopic, I fear... I would like to believe still that my attitude could change anything, but I lost the push sometime between 21 and 23...

Anyway, I've written this will and I just can be happy for realising that I like you, and you like me, and no matter we're 40% points away in some topics. Ã, 

* Farlander kisses Petter

[esper]

Ease up, Farl, you misunderstood me. I know you know what you're talking about. I was saying that you made some points that I could use against what you were saying, which I then went on to do. I meant no offence. Regardless of your spelling (I'm joking) and based on these and your past posts, I think you are actually very intelligent, and I admire your skills as an artist.

So try not to get all pissy in the future, okay?

[Andail]

Dude, I'm like 80% pro-american, personally. I watch american movies, read american books (Graham Greene and Paul Auster being my favourite writers) and I love Conan and Simpsons, etc.

It doesn't mean I don't think that the majority of the american population is a big fat mass of ignorant, self-centred fundamentalist bullies with little or no global awareness. Their political system is a joke and their leader is a caveman in a suit.

It's contradictional, perhaps.

[Nacho]

ESPER: No No!!! I am terrible pissed!!!!!!

Actually... not... My humour is quite "Ringo", I like to make me pass as sillier as I am, and I love to use any little mistake to put together in the same sentence "idiot" and "I". Ã, 

And please, use my points against me, I am quite sure the spirit of the thread is quite correct...

EDIT: Andail. Being 100% neutral in the scale of valours I jave just invented, being 80% pro american is is equal to being 20% antiamerican. IT is my table and I set the rules. 

And... Where in my post is implied that I do not believe that "think that the majority of the american population is a big fat mass of ignorant, self-centred fundamentalist bullies with little or no global awareness. Their political system is a joke and their leader is a caveman in a suit"?

The problem is that I agree with you, but my post does not mean "I think America is great". My post says "We haven't did it better than them, therefore, we wouldn't do it better if we were in his situation, now..."

[joke]As you can see, I am using the old and bastardish resource of forcing you to say "I think we are better than the americans" to go on the discussion, subsequently destroying you with the subsequent demagogic reply "Nobody is better than other". 

So, we can save all this time and declare me winner. \o/ Weeeeeeeeeeeh![/joke]

[Nikolas]

From the three of you I consider Esper the most Antiamericanized. Then comes Andail nd last Farlander.

Look America is the "biggest" nation in the world. And actually it has the size of Europe, or even bigger.

If I was an American I wouldn't give a fuck about what happens to tjhe rest of the world. I would have enough land to "play with". Think of it this way. The United Nations of Europe. What od we know about outside of Europe. Virtually nothing. We are one and the same.

America. due to to the fact of being a great Nation, had to pay a price. The price was the ignorance of their people and also the bad image to the rest of the world. I don't think thayt I've ever seen a leader being loved. No one! Why should we love America. It's not that it's doing something wrong. It's the fact that it's a leader.

Of course Bush is stupid, but then again I base my conclusions to poor facts. And I know that the worlds is not controlled by Bush. Bush is just a pappet.

One last thing, befoe I leave you:

@Andail: America is a whole lot differnt thing than the Americans. From this community I've come to met some people closer than others. One of these people is and American. Anotjher is Swedish, one from thwe Netherlands and a Greek guy. One of them is American! And I really like him! But I do hate the American politics, and everything that has to do with hamburgers, political correcteness, wars etc etc...

[esper]

Hambourkers? In the same list as war and politics?

Oh, never mind, hamburgers are actually just as useful to us in America as politics and war.

And it's funny to note that in your list of the top three antiamericanized AGSers, the most antiamerican is an american.

[IM NOT TEH SPAM]

Sure America does have some problems, but they are few and far between.  Sure we do have some messed up communities, (frisco) and some very messed up stereo types which may have basis in reality.  The matter of the fact is that most American critisizm stems in jealosy not by other peoples, but by their media outlets.  The press is viciously anti american.  Not only all over the world, but in America too.  Storys surface about how the Americans polute the world.  Russia, china and india, all polute more then us (on our dime might i add).  In fact, Americans reccently have become the cleanest industrial nation propotionally to their output.  Still pepole blame us for poluting the world.  I have a friend, who is Brazilian.  She often tells me how she can feel the global warming, and the UV rays, caused by the American factories.  She tells me that she learned in Kindergarten that it was the Americans who were poluting the world, and to not be like them.  When she told me this, i couldn't help but to retort "Isn't it the Brazillians who burn the forests so they can plant crops, only to leave the field baren a year later?"  Everyone has their problems and they find it easier to blame it on someone else, and as Americans we are the biggest target for scapegoating.  I'll revise my choices: Frank Sinatra, Elivis Presley.
I happen to know quite a few English people, and they are all very nice.  I personally don't dislike England, I only dislike the Englishmen who are so dense that they accuse Americans of being short sighted, and buy into cheap stero types.  That seams to be short sighted to me. 
Say what you will about George Bush, but he's done a decent job.  I'd bet no one here agrees with me, but he isn't as "stupid" as the media likes to portray him.  He's done some pretty slick things, that really shut up the opposition's claims that hes stupid (in america atleast). 

Now it is my deep personal belief that a union should be formed, between The United States, the United Kingdoms, the Austrialians, the Canadians, and the Israelis.  the combined resources of this union would be able to solve most major problems around the world.
On the note of a future deep friendship, I would like to say God Save the Queen, Oh Canada, my home and native land, Advance Australia fair, Muzzeltoff (spelling?) and God Bless America!
~Osiris

[Adamski]

Hopefully when you're older and more world-weary you'll read back on your political thoughts (or more likely regurgatating what your parents and peers think) as a 13 year old and realise how ludicrous they sound.

[IM NOT TEH SPAM]

that was posted by my 17 year old brother... and hes joking (i hope)

[Andail]

I didn't realise you were only 13.

For your information, USA is the biggest polluter in the world, both per capita and in sheer quantity. Please browse the internet for charts, if you aren't taught that kind of things in school.

Brazillians burn down rainforest because they're poor, and are paid to do so by rich industrious countries.

Your union-ideas are the ramblings of an ignorant child and do not merit a reply.

As a moderator, I'd also like you to note that we have a 16 year age limit here, and also that your account is personal, and that you are responsible for whatever is posted using it. Your brother is welcome to create his own account.

[EldKatt]

If I was an American I wouldn't give a fuck about what happens to tjhe rest of the world. I would have enough land to "play with".

The thing is that America, the nation, does give a fuck about the rest of a world. More of a fuck than many other nations. This is also the difference between this and the situation with Brits and Romans, or Romans and Babylonians. They really didn't give a fuck about eachother. Minding your own business (so to speak) can justify ignorance, but a certain degree of involvement calls for a certain degree of awareness.

[IM NOT TEH SPAM]

I only have one last point to make:
"Hail Hitler"
Don't Like it?
that's what you'd be saying if it werent for America...

[Nacho]

Originality 0.

[Andail]

We would all say that if it weren't for England, Russia or France too. They all both gave and took more beating than USA.
But please don't let us continue the debate in this direction.

[magintz]

you silly americans and your automobiles and fancy hats... ^_^

[Nacho]

France??? Good Lord, the fastest surrender in history, and a "resistance" born in 1946...

Let's be serious, one thing is discussing and the other "forcing" conclussions. Americans did more than the french. Actually IMO the guys which contributed more were the greeks,  the delay the Wehrmacht suffered in Greece prevented reaching Moscow. (Remember that the campaign in Greece delayed Barbarossa two weeks, and the Germans were at 8 kms. of the centre of Moscow when the rain stopped the advance of the armored vehicles).

Mussolini did a great job too, without securing the mediterranean, Not attacking Malta and Crete. Hitler had to sacrifice the Fallschirme unit for conquering Crete, a great loss for Adolf, we can say...

Even the italians rebelled against the germans more fierce than French never did.

Sorry... Maybe I have been hypocrital criticising you for being anti-americans... I am an "anti" as well. Anti french. (Anti la grandeur, anti la politesse, anti la politique...) But not anti Frenchs, ok?)

Thanks Villeneuve, great job in Trafalgar! ...sucker.

[IM NOT TEH SPAM]

It's a huge holiday in Greece actually.  Its called Αριθ ημέρα (auhee day).  When they refused to join the axis.  My dad's side of the family left sparta with hunting rifels to take on the German tanks in the mountains when they came. 
I am going to throw in my hat on this debate.  Its one of those things taht no one can convince anyone else anything, like Whos your favorite Rugbee team (see an olive branch).   

[Nacho]

Rugby, football or soccer? Because we could discuss about that too...  :