Paranormal events? Have you had yourself any?

[Nikolas]

I myself have a lot of dejavus. I mean a lot...

My father is a doctor and he actually explained to me, from a scientific point of view, that it has to do with electricity in the mind, kind of like the epelepsy (sp) works.

Well, no other "paranormal" experience, really.

Rharpe, Have you had any experience yourself? Everything else you say can really easily be disregarded as proof (though, a bit more serious than Helm did, but then again it gave me a good laugh, and I tend to agree with him). More explanation and analysis, if you want on an other post, not now...

[Nacho]

Spielberg:

"I tend to believe less in UFOs now, than before, in the seventies... Now, everything is recorded, no matter which incident, how hidden or weird, there are allways 3 or 4 videor records. But with this billions of cameras in the world, we haven't got still a good UFO footage"

I agree... Lots of "my girlfriend has a friend who...", "my grandmother has a sister who..." but I haven't been witness of one of those, of talked with a person who I trust which has been a direct witness of some paranormal events. If you go to any skeptyc (sp?) page you'll see how this cases are just crap, and that facts which have been "oficially" recognised by people as real are crap (I.E, The holly blanket of Turin...)

Example (a)myth (b)reality:

a)The holy Blanket has been prooven as radioactive by the Nasa experts
b)Only 2 of a group of 50 experts were FORMER experts of the Nasa. And they left the project claiming it was biased, being all the rest of experts believers and disposed to force conclussions agreeing with the paranormal activity.

a)The holy blanket has particles that were only in thr 1st century in palestine.
b)Those "particles" were told to be found by a french religios zealot. When he was demmanded to show the particles, he told he has lost the samples. Hehehe...

a)The holy blanket is forensically accurate. The dna reveals the blood is human blood.
b) No... A mass of hair with blood would never "paint" in the blanket the image we've seen. It would better do a black (yeah, dry blood is black) blob. In addition, the body is anatomically impossible. Analisys of the "blood" suggest it is a middle age paint.

And we could go on and on... It is curious, but the Vatican never claimed that the Holy blanket is real, but just "important as an item"... Some times the people in the eye of the hurricane is the most sensible.

[Andail]

Darth and Grund; the sense of not being able to move as you wake up is very common. When you sleep and dream, a muscular relaxation kicks in to prevent you from moving accordingly to your dreams. Sometimes you accidently reach semi-conciousness before the muscles are activated. Still in a dream-like state, your brain can build up imaginative elements that either reflect the panic of not being able to move (you dream of scary stuff happening to you while being paralysed) or construct causes and reasons for it (you dream of sinking in a pool of mud, or being tied up, etc).

It can also happen when you're about to fall asleep, which is just the reverse effect; you start dreaming before the muscles are relaxed, which can cause parts of your body to give a start or jump uncontrolled. Typically, you dream of falling from a fence or losing your balance.

[Tuomas]

Oh boy, a chance to humiliate myself again: here's the explanation: http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=23307.0

[Mozesh]

It can also happen when you're about to fall asleep, which is just the reverse effect; you start dreaming before the muscles are relaxed, which can cause parts of your body to give a start or jump uncontrolled. Typically, you dream of falling from a fence or losing your balance.

It happened to me a few days ago, I was just about to go to sleep but I was still half awake.
I dreamt that I fell from something, next thing I know my arms and feet jump up and I'm fully awake. It was kind of a strange experience.

(Un)fortunatly I never had a paranormal encounter or something, or atleast I can't remember one.
I read/view/listen to stuff on the internet about these kind of things, and most of them I think their crap. I mean come on a door closing by itself, or a chair moving.
Another thing I find hard to believe are EVPs (electric voice phenomena), you listen and hear someone say, "I'm not dead." or something like that. I mean I can make that by a flick of the wrist. Though some sound more convincing, a really hard to hear voice beneath a lot of noise while you hear someone else speak (a real person) but still that's not hard to make.
A few days ago I searched the net for some more 'convinsing' evidence.
Still the same with the EVP, but I did found some weird footage:
http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/video/ESPhq.wmv
still it could be fake but it looks kinda odd to me...

[rharpe]

Rharpe, Have you had any experience yourself? Everything else you say can really easily be disregarded as proof (though, a bit more serious than Helm did, but then again it gave me a good laugh, and I tend to agree with him). More explanation and analysis, if you want on an other post, not now...

I've never seen a ghost before, but I believe they do exist. I figure they are the souls of he deceased that are in Heaven, Limbo, Purgatory, or Hell. I sometimes have dreams that make me change my sinful ways... but I can't recall ever being awake and conscious while experiencing this contact... or whatever you may call it. (Btw, they don't occur very often.)

I live in a highly Catholic populated area and have heard/witnessed things that others have experienced as well... we use to have "Passion Plays" before Easter every year and this strange phenomina would always take place: Every time we would hang "Judas" on a tree limb...the next year that tree would be dead or the branch would be broken. All the trees we have used are now unaccessable. Strange indeed. My thoughts are: the Devil doesn't want us to perform, so he makes it harder to reenact a damned souls actions when he was alive. Just a thought.

My wife has had a strange experience as well. When she was younger there were some strange fingernail sounds scratching the walls, loud banging on the doors and the dog outside running in circles. She looked outside to find no footsteps in the snow. Not sure what to do, she said some prayers to St. Michael the archangel and the strange sounds ceased.

I also have friends that have had similar things happen to them...but on a lesser scale. Usually they just say some prayers for the pour souls in Purgatory and the sounds go away.

Again, not alot of experiences, but enough to make me believe spirits exist.

[Barbarian]

Well, I'm an "old fart" compared to most of you young'uns around here, and during my lifetime I've experienced several "strange" occurances personally, as well as knowing several people I trust who have also relayed to me what you might call "paranormal" experiences. Ã,  Some could argue some of these happenings are just "coincidence", or can be explained logically / scientifically, etc... But when you experience a strange incident first-hand, then it sort of makes you wonder a bit about these things, and perhaps opens your mind up to new perspectives.

Ã,  I'll share with you one such incident that I experienced myself a few years back, and I was fully awake at the time. Ã,  I was over visiting a friend one night, and we finished watching some movie on TV, anyways, it was late (past midnight), so, it was time to go home. The walk home would take around 30 minutes, so off I go. Ã, As it was late, the streets were abondoned of traffic or people. Ã, I was walking along a main road on the sidewalk, and as I was approaching towards an intersection, a street-light (an overhead light on a pole on the sidewalk I'm on) I walked by - the light goes out. Ã, Okay, so I didn't think too much about it, just figured the bulb burned out, or was a weak light or whatever. Anyways, the next street-light Ã, I walk by and the same thing... the light goes out as soon as I pass by the pole. Okay, now that's a little odd now. Anyways, I keep walking, and then the next street-light, same thing, the light goes out! Ã, Okay, now I'm thinking there's something strange going on... it's just too coincidental. So, now behind me, there's 3 of the street-lights behind me that I walked by, the lights are out. Ã, So, now, I'm approaching the next light... This time I pause for a moment before walking by the pole... then, I take a big step next to the pole and... you guessed it... that light goes out too as soon as I walk next to the pole! Ã, Okay, now this is just too odd! Anyways, next up is the crosswalk at the intersection, in which I have a choice to keep going along this same road, or to turn down a different road. Anyways, the cross-walk light, it's starting to flash to turn red, but, as soon as I step near the curb of the cross-walk, the crossing light turns a solid green. Ã, For the crossing light to go from a flashing red (which normally would turn to a solid red, then stay red for a minute or soÃ,  before turning to green again), to turn instantly into a solid green as soon as I got to the curb... well, I just felt a wierd feeling come over me, and it was like something "urging" me to turn off this main road. Ã, So, following my "feeling" on this, I turn down onto the different road after crossing.
Ã,  Ã, After about 20 seconds or so of walking down the different road, I hear a load "Screeching" noise and "Boom Boom Boom" (loud car-stereo noise) coming from the main road that I had turned off... Looking back, I see this speeding car swerving with screeching tires, all over the road, and also it looked like that it went on the sidewalk too that I would have been walking on... I could see the car had several people in in, all hollering out the windows of the car as if they were on some drunken joy-ride.

Ã,  Ã, Anyways, it got me to thinking... If not for those Street-lights turning off light they did as I walked by them, and the crossing-light turning green when it should have been turning a solid red, I would have likely decided to stay on that main road I was on, and, if I had, I have a strong feeling that the car that was swerving all over the road and side walk, possibly with a drunk driver, that I most likely would have been hit by that car, perhaps being seriously hurt or killed. Ã,  So, for me, it was one of those strange occurances in my life that I felt I had "someone or something looking out for me". Ã, 

Ã,  Well, it's a true story that happened to me personally, and I have experiences of other strange incidents in my life as well... but this is one that I feel that probably saved my life.

Best regards.

[Tiki]

However, I don't myself accept intelligent design as a logical argument for the existance of a "god". Some people look at the world and see a bunch of stuff that fits together so well, it must have been thought up. I think a lot of these things are just doing what comes naturally given the laws governing their make up. Some of the laws are just the natural evolution of other laws. I think it comes down to a few laws in the end. Why do they exist? I don't know, but I sure don't see that as a reason to think some guy thought them up.

So you think that a few eternal laws lend to themselves, and that sounds more logical than an omniscient creator? o_O

I don't have time to really rebuff that, so rather, I will say this..
How could the first cell have evolved?  Anybody who's taken biology would know how complicated a cell is, and how essential its many parts are.  If it wasn't specifically created, how could it have lived without an energy source, storage space and general celly cell stuff?  I don't care how many billions of years you give that cell - it would die fast.  It wouldn't even live to begin with!

Also, how could there be laws for things that aren't in existance yet?  A natural law shows what usually happens in the world around us.. what is the norm.  It can't say what usually happens without something.. to er.. usually happen!

Of course, if a god does exist, the question naturally presents itself; who invented god? And so on, and so on. So it's not much of an explanation at all, really. In the end, we don't know shit about exactly why anything is.

If God doesn't have a beginning, how could he possibly need an inventor? 

[MrColossal]

"I don't care how many billions of years you give that cell - it would die fast.  It wouldn't even live to begin with!"

But it didn't and here we are! Simple as that! Hooray!

[Haddas]

Ok... here goes.

I believe my cat died 5 years ago. But he still haunts my home. On several occasions I have been able to touch him and see him. Everyone else can see him too. He's still warm, furry, and his heart is beating. He's not even see-through. The freaky part is that he eats and drinks too. I mean, dead cats aren't supposed to eat OR have a beating heart. He can not walk through objects either, but meows when he wants to go outside. This is scary as hell for me.

[Nikolas]

But it didn't and here we are! Simple as that! Hooray!

Yes!

But did it have any help from Someone?

That's the question here...

On the one hand we're talking about something amazingly coincidental, if this is chance. But then again were talking about life, Earth, and nature itself, so why not? I for one am sure that there is life "somewhere out there", but distance is not helping really, as well as our technology to date. Maybe in a couple of hundred years, maybe sooner, who knows.

And as someone (Einstein?), said if there is not life in the universe but us, this is a great waste of space. A comment that simply makes sense.

As far as I'm aware (could be mistaken), the biggest brains of this planet (Einstein, Hawkins, etc.) all believe in G(g)od (<- Look at this! I'm freaking out now!)

Haddas: This sounds that your cats son/daugther (illegal I might ad), comes to visit you once in a while... 

[SSH]

you'll see how this cases are just crap

I knew you were going to say that. I have esp!

[Nacho]

If God doesn't have a beginning, how could he possibly need an inventor?Ã, 

If you accept that there is something that began from nothing... Why set the line in God, and not some minutes after, with the big bang?

As you can see, this discussion is silly, no one was there to take a look, so, why discussing if everything started in t -10 with god, or in t0 with the Big Bang?

EDIT:

you'll see how this cases are just crap

I knew you were going to say that. I have esp!

esp? Sorry?

[Paper Carnival]

speaking of Einstein, he said: "One thing is certain. God wasn't playing dice" or something like that.

I believe that if evolution is indeed true, it can't just happen by its own. Things are just too complicated to just happen by simple chance. I believe that God interfered in the whole process.

But anyway, back to paranormal: Yes I experienced things like that. The most memorable ones are the kind of what Darth had. The latest one was my favourite, it happened exactly a week ago.

I was lying on bed thinking about stuff and suddently things got darker and I felt something was on my right. I tried to turn my head to face right, but it was as though something was holding it. Then I faced the ceiling and some words were written on it, it was as though they were projected by some kind of invisible projector. The words disappeared, but then reappeared again. I couldn't read them though because they were changing all the time. I was scared as hell, and then I got control of me. It wasn't really like I woke up, but it was like I got control back.

I came to the conclusion that it was either a weird dream, or a demon trying to scare teh hell out of me . Because if it really was some kind of divine message to me, I'd be able to read it and make sense out of it.

[Nikolas]

esp? Sorry?

ESP is most commonly called the "sixth sense." It is sensory information that an individual receives which comes beyond the ordinary five senses sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch. It can provide the individual with information of the present, past, and future; as it seems to originate in a second, or alternate reality.

[MrColossal]

"As far as I'm aware (could be mistaken), the biggest brains of this planet (Einstein, Hawkins, etc.) all believe in G(g)od (<- Look at this! I'm freaking out now!)"

Not a big selling point really... Einstein and Hawkins are both white and that doesn't make me drawn any conclusions either.

I think what freaks me out more than capitalizing the g is when one can't have a debate about the origins of life without wondering if the people you're talking to believe in dinosaurs.. It's a little worrying. Does anyone here believe in the Dodo? If so then how about in 3000 years? 4000? 1 million? Can you imagine that at some point in your life you'll have to actually say the words "Do you believe in dinosaurs?" out loud?

As I've said before, we know less than 1% [and that's being generous] of the universe. Is there a god? Who knows, are there 400 gods? Who knows, what if a tribe of sun worshippers is correct and when someone kills them off or converts them all to Christianity and the sun doesn't raise the next day... What then? I bet it gets blamed on the gays and feminism somehow...

The Egyptians and the Romans and the Greeks and the whatevers believed in their gods just as hard as people now-a-days believe in theirs... In my opinion just because a religion is written down doesn't give it legitimacy and just because a religion is still around doesn't either. There are things that are older than christianity and judaism combined and just because they aren't around anymore doesn't make them less credible than current religions. I'm not against personal beliefs just please have a great time at life and don't hurt anyone unless they ask, BDSM and Jesus can coexist!

[Nikolas]

"As far as I'm aware (could be mistaken), the biggest brains of this planet (Einstein, Hawkins, etc.) all believe in G(g)od (<- Look at this! I'm freaking out now!)"

Not a big selling point really... Einstein and Hawkins are both white and that doesn't make me drawn any conclusions either.

Huh, I'm not selling anything, you just decided to buy...

And anyway, I don't give a shit if they're white or not. These are the two names that came to mind (and actualyl I believe that they are alos Jewis (sp) and that there is a lobby helping this whole thing.)

Who said anything about religion? I'm the first to keep an open mind to everything and actually this is why this thread exists (I started it remember, and I said that I want to keep an open mind).

As it happens I like to believe that there is something higher than us, somewhere. I don't give a shit (twice), about the name, whtether it is Zeus, God, god, Isis, or whatever else. I just feel more relaxed to think that there is something out there.

...is when one can't have a debate about the origins of life without wondering if the people you're talking to believe in dinosaurs... It's a little worrying. Does anyone here believe in the Dodo? ... Can you imagine that at some point in your life you'll have to actually say the words "Do you believe in dinosaurs?" out loud?

I honestly don't follow you here. Sorry... There are bones from dinosaurs and sceintific proof that can't be disregarded (maybe the wrong word here but can't come up with something better). What do you mean?

Edit: The G(g)od is so that I won't piss Rharpe off. I don't like doing that. And although it seems a little "political correct" I try to respect people... That's why...

[m0ds]

Oooh! Interesting topic! It's not particularly paranormal but I do have a story. I was going to post about this the other week but considered it too crazy and fell in fear of being criticised! But it's definitely worthy of a mention!

A few weeks back, I went out for a ciggie and looking up about 8pm, I saw an object moving across the at extremely high speed. It was a dimly lit rectangle, travelling South to North and not at any speed I'd encountered before. I only got a couple of seconds glimpse of it but I immediately thought it was a UFO. Such things intrigue me, and for someone who looks up to the sky every night, I have quite a good perception of familiar objects in the sky (and now unfamiliar ones). So I wasn't smoking pot or anything that night!!!

So I went to a friends house that night and told a bunch of people, one guy told me of a bizarre close encounter he had had during the summer and the conversation ended. The next week, there was a report, and pictures, of a strange object seen by a builder at about 6am hovering over a local RAF base (RAF Benson, often the coldest place in the UK ). The pictures were blurry, but of the two - one was a kind of "brick" shape. The article said how the man that took the pictures described it as brick shape. ANyway, I thought this was a funny co-incidence because I had seen one not long before the article too. They didn't give a date, though!

SO the NEXT week when the next issue of the Herald came out, there was ANOTHER article about another, closer, sighting of the mysterious craft. A woman and her daughter had seen it at 5.40am, just hovering, silently - and could see three large windows on it. And this time they gave the date! And as if by magic, yes, you guessed it - it was on the same day as the thing I'd seen.

So a woman and her daughter saw it at 5.40am
Some builder man saw something at 6am
And then I saw it that night at 8pm

So three sightings gave me good enough reason to beleive something weird was going on! In the article an MOD spokesman said; "It was probably lights reflecting off the cloud" - plus some other bullshit, which gives me a genuine impression that they're really fucking naive or are blatently in on it. If you're one of the major helicopter bases in the country, you're not just going to ignore a hovering thing above your RAF base, nor would it go un-detected. Anyways, whatever the story - if they really do think it was a cloud, then all I can do is laugh at the fact they were being staked out & stalked by alien life!!

But to be honest, I don't think it's anything alien. I'm pretty sure its some cover-up jet type thing they don't want us to know about. Anything flying from South to North over my house is heading towards RAF Brize Norton, so I wouldn't be surprised. The only other thing is, remember the friend I said had a close encounter - he has quite an accurate description of what he saw, hovering over him very slowly, with a light kind of high pitched hoover sound. And that makes me wonder if its some kind of new fangled jet.

Anyway, this mystery remains, frankly I don't know what to make of it. But whatever it was, actually exists.

The only other ghostly encounters I've had are! Erm... Well, none really! I bet if I think about it I could think of some freaky or strange occurences, but right now I can't..
- I saw a wild Puma cat or something in Berkshire! That was freaky!

[Helm]

(and actualyl I believe that they are alos Jewis (sp) and that there is a lobby helping this whole thing.)

Do you hate jews with a passion?

[Nikolas]

No, but I eat goat cheese with a lot of passion.

I just think that some things are pushed more than they should, in other words there could be other scientist much greater than these two, but for some reason (Jews) they are the only names to come out (at least for me...)