Bone: Out From Boneville

[Renal Shutdown]

Just to clarify..

Until now..

Make something original.Ã,  Or failing that, make something, in general. Don't tell us you're going to make something. Don't post art in the wrong place, and tell us you intend to improve it.Ã,  Make it good the first time.

If you can't make it good, post it in the critics lounge, and ask for help there.

Effort.Ã,  That's the main thing.Ã,  That will earn you points in here.Ã,  Not saying you're going to do this or you're going to do that, and then changing to a new project a few days later.Ã,  That just annoys people.Ã,  I've never made a game, and I've been here for years.Ã,  I'm still working on my skills and style, art-wise.Ã,  Time doesn't matter.Ã,  You keep saying you have loads of free time.Ã,  Instead of using that time to make banal posts, why don't you actually try to work on something?

Oh, wait, that might mean you actually have to put some kind of effort into something..

As for the comments in various threads about there being a minimum age of 16 (or at least acting that way) on these boards, ..Ã,  How old are you, actually?Ã,  From your style of writing, and your arrogance, I'm guessing you're 14 tops.Ã,  I'd be intrigued to know officially, though.

And as for the "Bushbummers" comment you made.Ã,  Did you not think about that before typing it?Ã,  You're against gays, which makes you either 1. A fanatically religious f*ckwit with no knowledge of the real world, or 2. A f*ckwit who's listened to his homophobic parents, who are most likely using strong feelings against a type of person to cover the fact that they're attracted to them, but not confident enough in there own sexuality to say so.

"Bushbummer" suggests Ass-f*cking of President Bush, who's a man.Ã,  Something which you claim to be against.Ã,  That's the meaning of "someone-bummer".Ã,  Seriously? You hate homosexuals, but you sodomise Bush or the Canadian equivalent?Ã,  Maybe you should pull head out of your own ass and try thinking about what you're typing for a change, instead of trying to live up to various ideals that you're either not old enough to or not mature enough to understand fully.

Note: Look, I can ignore the modify button, too. I must be a homophobic pr*ck who walks around with a finger up my own ass to make myself feel loved.

[The Inquisitive Stranger]

And as for the "Bushbummers" comment you made.Ã,  Did you not think about that before typing it?Ã,  You're against gays, which makes you either 1. A fanatically religious f*ckwit with no knowledge of the real world, or 2. A f*ckwit who's listened to his homophobic parents, who are most likely using strong feelings against a type of person to cover the fact that they're attracted to them, but not confident enough in there own sexuality to say so.

Does anyone have any knowledge of the real world, besides what they themselves have experienced?

[Renal Shutdown]

Experienced, or at the very least researched, no matter how effortlessly?  Has yodaman even held a conversation with a gay person?

[LGM]

yodaman.. If it weren't for your unexplainable lack of politeness toward anyone in this forum, I would be okay with you.

I looked at your art, read your little indy thing, and overall gave you a chance.

You haven't proved anything to me.

I'm not going to make fun of you or ridicule you. I just want to say that you are not as great as you may think you are. You can rationalize why your game can be as craptacular as possible, but in the end you know it's because you just can't or won't try hard enough to accomplish anything physicially decent.

It's up to you to do the best you can. Don't make excuses for poor work. Admit you failed, and try again. When someone says your work sucks, don't take it as an attack. Take it as an outside opinion that you need to try harder.

And learn some respect, young man. You won't get any respect in return if you can't tolerate those around you.

[Steel Drummer]

I'm just mad at everyone because EVERYONE hates my art. Well, I guess most people just see things on the outside. Its the storyline that counts. If you made a game that had XBOX 360-ish graphics, but the storyline was worse than, say, DOOM (the movie), than it wouldn't be that good, would it?

[Hammerite]

yes but what if the storyline and overall gameplay WAS good?

(e.g. halflife 2 and oblivion)

besides, you seem to be saying that all 3d games suck which is basically the same thing.

[Steel Drummer]

No, I never said that. It's just that most 3d games are some stupid FPS that has NO storyline and is shooting the whole time. Racing games are fun. I like hack 'n' slash quite a bit, especially the Lord of the rings ones, I like the 3d platformers like Jak and Daxter and Racthet Clank. See? I named quite a few there. I don't OWN a console system (except gameboy) so I don't play them too much. I'm an oldschool gamer. And Spleen, I didn't even know what a ****bummer is- I've never even heard the damned word. I don't fall uder either of those categories of people you mentioned. I support Bush, and I'm not a f*ckwit.

[Babar]

....Bushbumming was not yodaman....I think it was lo_res_man? I'm too lazy to check. But not too lazy to tell you.


Yeah...yodaman...no one hates you. Make your game. How "oldschool" are you?

Nope...it was Hammerite!

[Hammerite]

i agree that there are a lot of stupid dumbass fpses (Doom 3 was a right bore) but Half Life and its sequel are fantastic with decent storylines, Deus Ex is an RPG-FPS like Morrowind and its even better sequel, Oblivion.
and yeh carry on with your game and practice your artwork (try lots of different programs and see which is best)

[Steel Drummer]

I fully made one game- I'm just trying to find a host for it. That game is okay- not many puzzles, good storyline, 1989-style characters, bad backgrounds. I'm doing a remake after it's released though.

[ManicMatt]

And about all that homosexual stuff: Being politically correct is monkey crap. That means that you accept everything as ok. I guess you think terrorists, thieves, rapers, druggies, and other lowlifes are ok, then, rightÃ, 

Terrorists, thieves, rapers, and druggies made a decision to do that action which caused the label to be put onto themselves. Being gay is not a choice, but a sexual orientation that is natural. I could theoretically become a rapist or a thief, by raping or stealing, natch. But if I made love to a man I'd feel disgusted about it and need counselling for the rest of my life, and therefore still wouldn't actually be gay, as I wouldn't have liked it. Likewise, a gay man could never touch another man, but still be gay if he fancies some of them. We clear?

[MrColossal]

I'd feel disgusted about it and need counselling for the rest of my life, and therefore still wouldn't actually be gay

OH REALLY!

[biothlebop]

Looking at his expression, he is clearly disgusted by the posters he hung on his wall (maybe even seeks therapy about them) thus he still is not gay.

[lo_res_man]

this may open a can of worms but... on the homosexuality issue, ManicMatt says sexual orientation is natural, and therefore ok. BUT, what about pedophiles? Having sex with children is their sexual orintation. BUT BY YOUR ARGUMENT, that's ok. It's their sexual orientation, right?

[Nikolas]

We clear?

No not real...

Care to further your explanations please?

I'm really really enjoying this thread.

Well done yoda!!!!!1

Tell you what? Make the game and prove to all the idiots here (I don't think that anybody's an idiot, but just for the shake of this sentence) that it's worth something. Furthermore if you do finish it, you'll have more games completed than me (who am 28, and around 8 monhts here). So? you'll probably feel very fine after that! Simple maths really!

[biothlebop]

My idea of choice goes much further than ManicMatts. Let's say a person says she cannot make up her mind and has to do the option that remains when all other options have been closed (example: To purchase milk or be thirsty). Eventually the shop will close and she will be thirsty. She still made a choice by inaction. I see alcoholism as a choice, as well as homosexuality (they both may abstain entirely). This is merely a matter of choosing the path of least resistance, which in the milk example was to lie on a sofa and wait. For the alcoholic, the easiest path is to drink, for the homosexual, the easiest choice is to like men. Both still have options.

[Becky]

this may open a can of worms but... on the homosexuality issue, ManicMatt says sexual orientation is natural, and therefore ok. BUT, what about pedophiles? Having sex with children is their sexual orintation. BUT BY YOUR ARGUMENT, that's ok. It's their sexual orientation, right?

Just to clear up this somewhat over-used slippery slope argument.

Homosexuality/heterosexuality is the relationship between two consenting adult partners of the same/opposite gender/s.

Paedophilia involves children.  Children can not consent, thus it is not two consenting adult partners, and there are laws against it to protect those who are vulnerable.

[big brother]

Nature versus nuture.

It's not that clear cut ManicMatt.

Am I the only one that finds it hilarious that a topic entitled BONE would end up being about homosexuality? Oh, sweet irony.

[biothlebop]

Maybe it goes even further than that. Who knows what subliminal messages Jeff Smith has been feeding you.

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

[what]Being gay is not a choice, but a sexual orientation that is natural.

o rly?