All about Religion. (Rights, wrongs, Theocracy, etc.)

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HillBilly

#240
Wed 26/04/2006 07:05:25
Quote from: MrColossal on Wed 26/04/2006 06:41:44
Sorry to bring this thread up again but..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12467604/?GT1=7938

I read that yesterday. I think we can conclude that god don't like mexicans.

lo_res_man

#241
Wed 26/04/2006 17:00:51
That's a rather nasty racist thing to say Hillbilly,  >:( Admittedly you are probably joking, but still >:(
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MrColossal

#242
Wed 26/04/2006 17:09:11
It's not racist. Mexicans aren't people. Like Jews.
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Babar

#243
Wed 26/04/2006 17:12:03
Is it racist, or.....Godist? Because I don't see any mexicans being denigrated. Well....not that much.

Besides, wouldn't this show that God loves Mexicans extra-much, considering that he's let them cut through the bother of suffering in this world, and getting an easy pass to heaven?
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lo_res_man

#244
Wed 26/04/2006 17:29:32
Not really, it was just a freak accident,( Like a freak gasoline fight accident :P) and warns us not to stand near tall metal thingies during lightning storms (as if we didn't already know) I don't think we should make light of this tragedy in this way. :( only in comic books does God go “ZOT!!!”.
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EldKatt

#245
Wed 26/04/2006 20:30:37
Quote from: lo_res_man on Wed 26/04/2006 17:29:32
only in comic books does God go “ZOT!!!”.

How would you know? As an agnostic, I reject no possibilities.

lo_res_man

#246
Wed 26/04/2006 20:55:37
Ok, but I don't like to think God goes "Zot!"
Though, consideringÃ,  God is God, he (or she or it or they) could do it if she (or he or it or they) wanted to, :P Though I prefer to think of it as a tragic accident.
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Babar

#247
Thu 27/04/2006 11:35:19
Yay! The discussion just got crazier!

lo_res...are you trying to say that by calling this a "tragic accident", God is not involved in it? That the lightning bolt could not strike one of the zillion other long metallic thingums around? That God could not have stopped it from happening? If one believes in God being all-powerful, there is no room for any possibility other then that God wanted (or at least expected, or planned, or didn't mind) that this "tragic accident" should happen.
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SSH

#248
Thu 27/04/2006 12:17:34
Of course, if they went to heaven then their "lives" just got better when they died. Seeing death as a bad thing is a particularly athiest perspective  :=
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MrColossal

#249
Thu 27/04/2006 15:47:38
Then why did people cry when the pope died? The vast majority of people cry when someone dies. I guess there are more athiests in this world than originally thought.
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Ali

#250
Thu 27/04/2006 16:22:05
Quote from: MrColossal on Thu 27/04/2006 15:47:38
Then why did people cry when the pope died?

He owed lots of people money.

The Inquisitive Stranger

#251
Thu 27/04/2006 16:54:14 Last Edit: Thu 27/04/2006 16:58:23 by The Inquisitive Stranger
When people cry when someone dies, I see it as not necessarily because they feel bad for the person who died (I mean, even for atheists, death must be quite a relief) but because they miss the person and can't get used to life without them.

Oh, and that whole "if bad things happen in the world, it's all God's fault; therefore, God is a meanie" argument? It's sad that we have expectations for a "good" God to get rid of all the bad in the world for us Himself so that we don't have to do anything.
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Helm

#252
Thu 27/04/2006 18:06:20
An all-knowing benevolent god (christian god) knows all outcomes of actions, knows the future and past, knows what we will do in the future and has designed us with full understanding of our exact path through existence, every action, every reaction, every tear and laughter. There is no 'test' when you know exactly what the results will be. This all-knowing god in the heaven denies all free will. If he exists and he lets harm befall us it is not because he's giving us the choices to do as we do. He knows what we will do as surely as he knows the primordial clay he breathed life into. We are trapped in his unending benevolence.
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MrColossal

#253
Thu 27/04/2006 18:17:10
Just like Paul Atreides!

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lo_res_man

#254
Thu 27/04/2006 20:44:03
In my view, It doesn’t matter whether we have free will or not, as long as we THINK we have free will. Like if we are in a "matrix" type environment you might say there is no spoon, but as far as I can tell I can use it as a spoon and do spoony things with it so what does it matter whether it is REAL or not. All we have is our own perspective, that is all we can know. so whether we have free will or not I think it for the good of society we should THINK we have free will, whether we do or don't.
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Paper Carnival

#255
Fri 28/04/2006 00:02:15 Last Edit: Fri 28/04/2006 00:05:26 by Guybrush Peepwood
Believing in a creator is not hard, what is hard is to believe that there is a God still alive today. Because in order for a divine creator to exist, it's logical that He has to be alive, otherwise He never existed.

I don't care how crazy people think I am, but if you are a Christian then you can feel God working in your life. I've lived too many ironic coincidences to deny the fact that a living God exists. Maybe I'm just someone crazy who manipulates reality by picking certain random events to connect them to each other, so that I can convince myself God exist as a cure for my solitude and insecurity. Maybe I'm the result of brainwashing, or my faith is a product of pain to give myself fake hope in a screwed up society that I refuse to be a part of.

So be it. I believe in something, and whether I'm wrong or not I'm still a winner because I did not compromise with society and I managed to live so far  a life without belonging in one specific label. If what I live for is manmade fiction, it still gives meaning in my life. And if it doesn't, I'm crazy enough to convince myself that it does. If I'm wrong, everything we ever learnt will be forgotten, this discussion will mean nothing. So be it.

The Inquisitive Stranger

#256
Fri 28/04/2006 00:18:55
So, then, do you claim to know the nature of God?
Actually, I HAVE worked on a couple of finished games. They just weren't made in AGS.

Paper Carnival

#257
Fri 28/04/2006 00:22:44
No, how did you get that idea? If that is what I said, it was not intended.

The Inquisitive Stranger

#258
Fri 28/04/2006 00:52:04
Well, I thought that claiming that God was "alive" meant that God was capable of living and dying... which is making an assumption about God's nature...
Actually, I HAVE worked on a couple of finished games. They just weren't made in AGS.

Paper Carnival

#259
Fri 28/04/2006 01:16:00
no, by "living" I meant an active God whose actions exist today and not a God that just created a universe and left it there on its own.
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