I-Doser

[vict0r]

I-Doser

"I-Doser Labs is the leading producer of Binaural Brainwave CDs and computer applications. Using proven, scientific, and safe methods of synchronizing your brainwaves; a simulated state can be achieved through the use of our advanced audio CDs, or the I-Doser Application, and a pair of high quality stereo headphones. Our Binaural process has been refined with years of research and development. With thousands of satisfied users, the I-Doser Labs CDs and the I-Doser Application for PCs continue to lead the industry as the only safe and effective method to achieve a simulated mood or experience.

Recreational Simulation CDs are collections of binaural doses on standard audio CDs. Each audio track contains our advanced binaural beats that will synchronize your brainwaves to the same state as the recreational dose. Mixed with our advanced auditory pulses are soothing backtracks of ambient soundscapes to help the brain induce of state of mood lift, euphoria, sedation, and hallucination. I-Doser CDs are also perfect for using with iPods and other MP3 players, or simply through a regular CD player.

I-Doser for the PC is the most advanced computer application available to achieve a simulated mood or experience through the use of binaural beats. Use I-Doser to play one-time use doses purchased through the I-Doser Store. Each dose is scientifically designed to give you the optimal measure of pure beats safely and effectively to induce state. Every download of the I-Doser application includes two free doses."

Basically, it's a program that plays sounds for 30-45 minutes for the user to achieve a paricular feeling or state of mind. Most of the files you can play in the program are sounds made for you to achieve the same feeling as if using a particular drug. Heroin, marijuana, peyote etc.

I have tried a couple of these, and even though I haven't gotten most of them to work I am surprised of the effect I've gotten from some of them. "Opium" for example, made me extremely relaxed and slow for 20 minutes or so after using it.

Anyone else here who have tried it? What are your thoughts and feelings about there existing a "drug" with no age limits? Is it only placebo?

Btw, there is one "drug" there called "inspire", and it's supposed to do just that. Get your inspiration flowing and help you to be creative etc.  Possibly a great addition to this community?

[MrColossal]

Next time you try one of these CDs, have someone put one in without you knowing which one it is and then tell me what your reaction to it is. If your reaction matches up with the CD's intended reaction I'd be quite surprised.

[vict0r]

Actually, I tried this with my friend! He didn't know anything about the program and especially what effect it was intended to give, but after half an hour of "Black sunshine" he was all slow and saying something about the lights being pretty and stuff.. More or less what the description says.

[Helm]

I am not more significantly awake and active.

[scotch]

Yes it is only a placebo.

There are a lot of free software programs for generating this stuff by the way, just search for them. Of course it's total nonsense, but that won't stop people falling for the pay service scams. Doesn't matter to me if people want to try it, but don't pay anyone.

[MrColossal]

http://www.bwgen.com/

there, if you choose to believe nonsense at least don't pay for it, as scotch said.

[vict0r]

I never paid for anything.

And why are you so sure this is absolute nonsense? There are basically no evidence that it is, and it has been scientifically proven that particular sounds and beats can change your mood and state of mind, so why not this?

I'm not saying that it works! I'm still very much a sceptic, but I find it interresting that this seem to work for so many people.

[Becky]

I'm not denying that different sounds make you feel different things, but:

Most of the files you can play in the program are sounds made for you to achieve the same feeling as if using a particular drug. Heroin, marijuana, peyote etc.

Have you tried these drugs to compare to the brainwave dosing?

[vict0r]

Haha
Yes, I've tried marijuana but not any of the other drugs, so I really haven't got anything to compare them to, but my few effective attempts with this program comes often very close to descriptions I've heard about the drug in general.

BTW! If there are anyone who are interrested in a full version of this program, just PM me.

[MrColossal]

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/skepticsguide/podcastinfo.asp?pid=50

I recommend listening to this podcast, start around minute 11 and he talks about binaural beats. The man who talks the most is a brain doctor.

[Tuomas]

Yeah, last time I overdosed cocaine it gave me a much worse feeling as with this.

Though, placebo isn't that bad always, at least it doesn't hurt you. I mean, if they really wanted you to get all high and then go driving a car I think they would at least reconsider the effect. what I mean is, what's wrong with placebo if it works somehow :/

[vict0r]

Indeed. Why is placebo bad?
And it does say that if you do get the effect, you should not by any means drive any form of vehicle and such.

MrColossal: Thanks! Will listen to it!

EDIT: I did listen to it, but I'm not convinced of anything. Sure, there are some people trying to make money of off this but there are even more free programs that play the binaural beats. And how do you explain everyone who has had positive experiences with this?

[MrColossal]

Ok, if him saying there isn't any medical literature that supports all the claims of these binaural beats practitioners isn't good enough then go on searching for the answer. This is as far as I go to try and debunk this. I look forward to any literature you dig up!

Also, it's a logical fallacy to believe that because someone doesn't charge for something than there must be something to the claim. Also I don't have to explain people who say they have positive experiences. I don't have to explain anything, they have to prove that it works. A stack of legitimate positive experiences doesn't prove anything, sorry. One can't just use anecdotal evidence to prove a claim.

[vict0r]

lso, it's a logical fallacy to believe that because someone doesn't charge for something than there must be something to the claim.

Of course! But I brought this up as this is what most people use to say that this is only BS.

[Chicky]

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[biothlebop]

And how do you explain everyone who has had positive experiences with this?

Sound is able to alter your state of mind, it is not all placebo.

Especially repetitive music is more likely to induce trance in me.
I notice this when I am composing, and hear the same thing over and over again.
When I draw, calm droning music can get me in a trance-like state and I do not tire as easily.
When I exercise, if I am listening to something, I often pick up the pace unconsciously when the tempo rises.

Just like your body responds to any stimulus, I believe sound can influence you in several ways, cause you to experience almost all kinds of moods, increase or decrease the release of neurotransmitters, hormones, their uptake, etc. 
In that way, this is no different from ingesting a chemical if it's contents leave the body afterwards, and you might experience a chemically milder version of the exactly same thing as taking a pill would cause.
What you can achieve with sound is still thankfully far away from chemicals, but the effect will stack up/balance out with other factors like lack of sleep, meditation, etc.
So, I believe it works (and might even induce hallucinations), but is mild on it's own.
However, I don't know if this particular sound is significantly more effective than listening to your favorite music.

Anyways, you shouldn't be aiming for anything other than a (hopefully natural and balanced) state you can function in.
Highs might be backlashed by lows.

[Gregjazz]

Although some of you may consider it a placebo, I really do think that brainwaves and binaural beats have an effect. It is known among physicists, in fact, that low frequencies of complex waveforms can reproduce the effects of any chemical on a human being.

[Kweepa]

It is known among physicists, in fact, that low frequencies of complex waveforms can reproduce the effects of any chemical on a human being.

Any chemical? Do you have the Fourier Transform for HF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fluoride)? This must be what Kate Bush was working on in Experiment IV.

[vict0r]

I am pretty much convinced that this do work by now. I was just at a friends house with some other people who brought their own laptop. We listened to some drugs ( ) and even though it didn't work some of the times, everyone actually got weird experiences/highs at least once.

Again, I dunno if this is placebo or not, but I am pretty sure that it does work as long as you have the right conditions (dim light, laying/sitting comfortably) and the right attitude.

So if anyone actually wants to try this for themself, just drop me a pm and I'll send you the stuff for free!

[Helm]

The effect is probably about the same if you could hype your friends out and make them sit still and relaxed in a comfortable room without much light or distruction for 20 minutes I'd say. The high of sitting still!