Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End

[evenwolf]

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what the hell was Cho Yun Fat talking about before he died?

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[Erenan]

Overall, I enjoyed the movie, but mostly that's because I'm not too tremendously picky to have fun. There was a lot I'd rather not have seen in the film, but overall I had a good time watching it. I have a few complaints, but I must stress that these are far less substantial gripes than I'm going to make them sound.

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I had trouble following a lot of the dialogue, especially toward the beginning of the movie. Similarly, the plot was difficult to follow, and at times it really, really didn't make sense.

Is it just me, or was there a swordfighting deficit throughout most of this movie?

I wish they would make up their minds about what these movies are supposed to be. Are they dark, gritty, violent action-adventures, or are they cheap laugh fests? They're trying to produce too many kinds of movies all in the same one. This third instalment was a little better than the second film on this point.

I like long movies, but this one was at least in part made long by including pointlessly drawn out slo-mo shots, such as that last one of Beckett before his ship exploded. "Oh no! My ship is exploding! I'll stroll down the steps onto the main deck and really make my dying moment count! I can do that because I'm such an important character. They won't let me die before I've had my moment." It didn't work for me. Sorry, Gord.

What the hell was all that multiple Jacks nonsense? I mean, I'm imaginative, so I can kind of make it work in my head, but I think that whole strange thread should have been carried out and fulfilled better. If you're going to incorporate some surreal strangeness in your movie, then gods damn it all, don't do such a half-assed job of it!

Something I'm wondering: Barbossa was Jack Sparrow's first mate back in the day. So where did all this pirate lord stuff come from? Neither one of them really appeared to be figures of any real importance in the first film or even the second for that matter. So all of a sudden they're two of the LEGENDARY SUPER PIRATE LORDS!!!11lol? Huh?

The whole Calypso thread felt half-finished in my opinion.

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[evenwolf]

The slo mo didn't bother me as much.   Nor did the surreal sequences.  But I second your comments about...

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The Pirate Lord stuff .    It was nonsense, all of it.  Jack didn't quite fit in with that company unless he inherited the position from his dad who in my opinion didn't appear to be retired.  Barbossa was a first mate up until he became a cursed pirate captain of the Black Pearl.

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I'm not going to bother putting the pieces together becaus ultimately the writing is just a formula and nothing else.   All to get my dollars.  Which they have.

[Phemar]

My theory on Pirate Lords:

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Jack is supposed to have inherited/stole his piece of eight. Barbossa was a captain long before he joined Jack's crew. He lost his ship and joined Jack's crew with the intention of mutinying upon Jack. (which he succeeded in doing). So Barbossa could have gotten his piece long before Jack came into the picture.
Also the Pirate Lords aren't just chosen whenever a new fearsome pirate comes into play, but instead are the original pirates who captured calypso or something like that. This is happened long before the first movie.
Remember, Jack most likely stole his piece of eight.

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[Gord10]

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I like long movies, but this one was at least in part made long by including pointlessly drawn out slo-mo shots, such as that last one of Beckett before his ship exploded. "Oh no! My ship is exploding! I'll stroll down the steps onto the main deck and really make my dying moment count! I can do that because I'm such an important character. They won't let me die before I've had my moment." It didn't work for me. Sorry, Gord.

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HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE THAT SCENE?? BLASPHEM0R!
*Cough cough* Well, I had liked the dramaticity of that scene; Beckett was one of the few characters I could sympathise with.
The slo mo and the surreal sequences didn't bothered me. I must also confess that those surreal sequence in the ship reminded me of a certain scene in 6 Days A Sacrifice. 

[Becky]

I enjoyed the film, but I was prepared for the worst and wasn't expecting any kind of sense.  The plot to me was not too complex, but just served to make you not actually care about any of the characters.  It took itself a little too seriously, but come on, it was no where near as bad as the Matrix sequels

[Krysis]

I liked the movie though there were a few things that were just too silly...

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Asian captains, African captains, Arabian pirates... WTF? Where are the Klingons? Those guys looked so fake and out of place. What would an asian ship, asian crew and asian captain do in the middle of the Carribean sea?
The parrot and the monkey were annoyingly cartoony.
And that giant Calypso thing was soo stupid...
There were moment like this movie was too childish and stupid even for Disney.

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[Becky]

Krysis:

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Asian captains, African captains, Arabian pirates... WTF? Where are the Klingons? Those guys looked so fake and out of place. What would an asian ship, asian crew and asian captain do in the middle of the Carribean sea?

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Uh...there WERE African, Arabian, Asian pirates.  In real life!  They existed!  The real historical Barbarossa (Redbeard) was a Turkish corsair in the pay of the Ottoman Empire.  The Meeting of the Brethren Court didn't specify where it took place, and presumably as they had already travelled all over the world (Singapore - World's End, at least), it could have taken place anywhere.  I was actually glad to see the acknowledgement of other piratical cultures in the film, rather than just the over-romanticised Carribean pirates.

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[Meowster]

I'm the only person in the world who thinks that Pirates of the Carribean is poor and overrated...

And the third one is even poorer still. The 4th and 5th are going to be so fucking poor that a new sea will be created from the boredom-tears of millions of people everywhere.

[voh]

This movie was muddled & convoluted!    I still enjoyed it but it seems the filmmakers don't care if we follow the plot.  They trust that we'll just latch on to whatever silliness they subscribe us to.

I hear ya. About 2/3rd into it I was thinking "I haven't cared about the plot for a while now" and was just waiting for things to calm down somewhat so I could find someone to latch onto.

There were two scenes in the last part of the movie I definitely could've gone without. Grmbl vows grmbl becket...

[m0ds]

Damnit, I've heard too many things to make me not really want to go and see this now, and Spiderman3. Guess I'll just wait for die hard 4

[Hudders]

Guess I'll just wait for die hard 4

Apparently that's really shit.

[m0ds]

Yeah, it looks it.

And instead of giving my 2 cents I'll bet it that Indy4 is pretty w**k too.

But, Die Hard aers my favourite trilogy, and I never saw any of them in the cinema (what with them being 18's and me being 11), so this, like Rocky Balboa, is my one chance of redemption

[Phemar]

I heard Die Hard 23 was quite good.

And I liked the way Ocean's 45 was shot.

Pirates of the Caribbean 19 looks promising.

Indy 89 might be a bit farfetched for me though.

Sometimes you gotta give sequels a break. I mean come one, how many more sequels do we need?

How about another 50 animated underwater movies? Those seem to bring in the money nicely.

[m0ds]

To be fair, it's always worth giving a sequels a chance. If you genuinley like the universe the original films create and want to see that expanded on, I don't see why you'd have a problem with sequels. If they turn out to be dumb & don't do themselves any favours, well, thats just too bad for them. They still make enough money to cover their mistakes!

[evenwolf]

My theory on Pirate Lords:

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Jack is supposed to have inherited/stole his piece of eight. Barbossa was a captain long before he joined Jack's crew. He lost his ship and joined Jack's crew with the intention of mutinying upon Jack. (which he succeeded in doing). So Barbossa could have gotten his piece long before Jack came into the picture.
Also the Pirate Lords aren't just chosen whenever a new fearsome pirate comes into play, but instead are the original pirates who captured calypso or something like that. This is happened long before the first movie.
Remember, Jack most likely stole his piece of eight.

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At this point you are writing the movies for them.     J

Writers of pirates 2 & 3:   Do you think they plan it all out or are they just making it up as they go along?

[Steel Drummer]

I'm the only person in the world who thinks that Pirates of the Carribean is poor and overrated...

And the third one is even poorer still. The 4th and 5th are going to be so fucking poor that a new sea will be created from the boredom-tears of millions of people everywhere.

I'm actually agreeing with you. The first Pirates was average (or even maybe below average), but- turning a theme park ride into a credible franchise? No.

[m0ds]

Turning a credible franchise into a theme park ride, yes?

That happens all too often

So I think it's quite fantastic that POTC is an inspiration from a ride that has been an inspiration to millions since it was opened. What other theme park rides have generated movies, rather than the other way around? Not many that I know of... Granted, if they did it nowadays it would probably be quite cheesy, but with certain rides that herald so much inspiration, where's the harm in that? If Nemesis had a movie...well, actually I think now it'd be quite cool, but that's only because I've seen the Nemesis comics. If....hmm...X: No Way Out (thorpe park) had a movie, that would suck :p

So I agree that turning theme park rides into credible (in this case FILM) franchises is a pretty pointless thing to do, but for POTC ride, it really works. It works for me especially because..well, I know of the ride, I know MI was inspired by the ride, I know Jurassic Park has a quote in it about the ride*...its just one of those thing thats "inter-textual" so to speak. They've made movies based on some terribly weird things. So a theme park ride isn't that bad! Watching the Pirates movies only makes me feel even more like I know who these people are & more about the cooky universe they're in.

Personally, I would've been satisfied with a lone POTC movie. When I heard there was a sequel I was relatively dissapointed. But, I was pleasently surprised when I watched it.

[evenwolf]

In this case a theme park ride spawned 2 credible franchises....


the other is Monkey Island you dumb jerk!

[Hudders]

Sometimes you gotta give sequels a break.

Four words:

Return of the Jedi.