SouthWest Airlines: Proper or Prude?

[Radiant]

If it was the SAME company than sure, hypocrisy, but it isn't so it isn't.

It's the same country. America is both the country with the highest amount of moral panic among its populace, and the biggest porn industry worldwide. Same thing.

Several (dudes) have commented on not minding at all 'cause they like looking at the women dressed like that.

That may have been a weird remark, but it seems obvious that if the women didn't want to dress like that, they wouldn't.  (unless they're really really blonde-minded... there was this shy-ish girl who used to come to the local disco and was amazed that she got way too much male attention, even though she was the most skankily dressed in the whole disco by a long shot...)

It seems like imagination is in danger of going extinct!

Oh, we'll probably get a backlash like we did in the eighties.

[evenwolf]

Hypocrisy shows its ugly head.

It's not hypocrisy.

Yeah but I didn't have to dig very deep to find the hypocrisy you wanted.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TR7JApjgIGw

Darth is right.   Humans are born naked & we are regressing.  Ideally, we should add a layer of clothes every year.

[MrColossal]

Radiant, hypocrisy amongst unrelated people sure. The porn industry also has nothing to do with the opinion of an airline or how an airline decides to react to customer complaints, I don't follow you.

[Nacho]

Hypocrisy shows its ugly head.

It's not hypocrisy. You say one company wanted to do Hooter's girls as stewardesses and another company years later has 2 people removed from a plane for arbitrary dress code violations.

If it was the SAME company than sure, hypocrisy, but it isn't so it isn't.

Eric, notice what Radiant says:

Seriously though, this from the country that thought flight attendants in bikinis

He' s not aiming to a company... he is blaming a country.

Note that I am not going to pronounce if I agree of not with Radiant, but I think I should point that before two guys I' d like to see having a good debate start to mix pears with apples... 

[MrColossal]

And I'm trying to point out that an entire country of people don't all vote on what a private business does with it's money.

[Radiant]

And I'm trying to point out that an entire country of people don't all vote on what a private business does with it's money.

But it's not just the company, there's quite the audience on the internet cheering them on, most of whom, incidentally, are from the country that invented (and makes good use of) Hooters Airlines.

[MrColossal]

I depart here. There are audiences on the internet for tons of things and if you want to track the lines of all internet activity from every country, then bringing up the fact that hypocrisy is rearing it's head becomes redundant because it's always there. Also, Hooters Airlines has suspended all service. Lunch Time!

[MillsJROSS]

I think a private business has the right to enforce a dress code, much like a nice restaurant would be able to do so, without having news coverage.

I'm still not understanding how hypocrisy is being used here. As far as their being a Hooters plane and a Southwest plane, their two different entities. They can do different opposing actions without being hypocritical.

It's the same country. America is both the country with the highest amount of moral panic among its populace, and the biggest porn industry worldwide.

Perhaps the moral panic is caused by America having the  biggest porn industry. Not really hypocritical to me, just cause and effect.

And just because people do one thing in the privacy of their own home, but do something entirely different out in public, doesn't make it hypocritical either. It's a time and place thing. Southwest isn't saying anything about people not being able to dress how they want outside of their planes.

Evenwolf's youTube post does allow some hypocrisy to be thrown to Southwest Airlines. But as it's 30 years ago, it really isn't a strong case. Different times, different people running SW, different morals. The only thing I think SW needs to do, is make it explicitly clear that there is a dress code And be firm with that dress code.

-MillsJROSS

[Tuomas]

If it was the SAME company than sure, hypocrisy, but it isn't so it isn't.

It's the same country. America is both the country with the highest amount of moral panic among its populace, and the biggest porn industry worldwide. Same thing.

America lack moustache. That's the problem. They need more moustache


Also, I was googling the dark haired girl to get some views from under the skirt. Didn't find any, but I found the pictures of the airline company in the 70's. I guess the whole point is to keep people tipping them hooter stweardesses and not watching some sluts for free.

[Oliwerko]

Wow, this is insane. Show of ingenious human stupidity. Aren't there other things to worry about when you own an air transportation company?

I think that everyone should wear what they want. If it's not VERY VERY abusive, like walking nude or so. I don't find that two women too revealed. The skirt is short, but who cares? If she wants to be seen like that, than she will be. The second one is OK I think. I saw more abusive ones in our school....

[space boy]

I think that everyone should wear what they want. If it's not VERY VERY abusive, like walking nude or so.

What is considered offensive varies from culture to culture. In some parts of the world it's absolutely ok to walk around naked while in others you get beat up for showing a square inch of your naked skin. There's no objective rule, it's all a matter of how you have been brought up.

[Oliwerko]

Yes, you're right, but in this case I am talking about regular American/European culture people travelling by plane. Of course that it is ok to be naked in some parts of the world and also it is abusive to show your face in public somewhere, but I meant this in relation to this case.

[Nacho]

How do you put the line? For you is being nude? What about if for some others that line is going with micro-bikinis? What happens if someone is annoyed for seeing people with bermudas in the plane? Would you allow fat hairy men without t-shirts to sweat in the seat you are going to use?

As you see, this is not a case of "ingenious human stupidity". It' s more complicate... It' s about a company choosing a dress code, but, as some other mentioned (ProgZmax), it should be a well published dress code, so, people who like to wear short pieces of clothes could choose another company with a more flexible code, without having to suffer the inconvenience of being rejected in a flight for not knowing the rules.

[Nikolas]

Common sense?

[evenwolf]

YAY, someone had to introduce pluralism to the thread.

[earlwood]

I think a private business has the right to enforce a dress code, much like a nice restaurant would be able to do so, without having news coverage.

I think the main problem with Southwest Airlines, or at least in the case regarding the blond girl, is that there is no set dress code, instead they leave it to the discretion of their employees.

[Radiant]

Well, at least she obviously wasn't hiding any bombs or antrhax underneath there. Weren't people primarily worried about terrorists, and actually asking people to take off stuff at the airport for security purposes?

[Pesty]

America lack moustache. That's the problem. They need more moustache

[Oliwerko]

Yeah, I give up, you're all right. But the stupidity is that the airline has no dress code and they are forcing the customers to do things like getting of or having a blanket. If there was a dress code, It is ok. But to force a customer to get off without one ? I dont know.

Nacho - you are right about the line, but still, isnt there a freedom of what you wear? If I dont like what people wear what am I going to do about it? Force all the people to get out of my sight?

[Darth Mandarb]

If another passenger(s) on the airline complained about the outfits these young ladies were wearing, is it not the airline's responsibility to do something about it?  Should the passenger(s) who complained be made uncomfortable just so the one making them so isn't?  Is that really fair?  And you can't really say, "they need to lighten up ... it's just clothing!" because it's nobody's business to say what should/shouldn't offend somebody else.

I'm not saying this is or isn't what happened ... just throwing another idea into the mix.

It's a tricky situation as I see it.  If you put a dress code in place, you must then devote time and energy for enforcing that dress code.  And how do you define what is and isn't appropriate:

Addendum B-2 Section 1C: If woman's breasts are (appear) to be a Large C or D cup size, and 2/3 of her breasts (or more) are exposed (but only if they are being pushed out - some kind of wonder bra) this is unacceptable (though only if her height to weight ratio matches the guide-lines put in place by section D4, paragraph 3, subsection 12, flow-chart 6) and if she's hot.

I don't know.

Part of me thinks more companies should take a stand against the "slutting" up that our society seems to be de-evolving to.  Then I feel like I'm being influenced by the bullshit puritanical dogma that my country grew up under.  I don't know ... I'm really quite torn on this issue.