How to get high with NO drugs or anything.

shbaz · Fri 30/11/2007 00:14:54

When I used to work night shifts I'd get sleepless over weekends and hallucinate. Kinda strange to have trees laughing at you without taking any drugs.

Nightfable · Fri 30/11/2007 02:45:53

This thread makes me think of something I just started doing at night.

Has anyone ever astral projected themselves? It's supposed to be a "safe" fantastic experience that anybody can achieve with the proper techniques and practice. I've been practicing visualizing and getting my body to fall asleep while my mind stays lucid. So far, I haven't been able to disconnect myself but a few odd things happened to me that makes me a lot less skeptic but more frightened.

Am I nuts for even trying this?

Neil Dnuma · Fri 30/11/2007 03:04:56

I don't know if it's excatly the same, but I have been awake but unable to move the body sometimes, during the moments before/when I fall asleep. When it's happened, I've sometimes seen or - more often - heard persons/objects in my room or outside the window which aren't there. It hasn't been a joy. I cannot recommend this, I use lots of energy to get moving and wake up, and am exhausted afterwards. It's quite normal, or so I've heard, and a friend of mine linked it to astral projection.

Candall · Fri 30/11/2007 03:11:37

Neil, that is called hynpagogic paralysis. You know it can't really be astral projection because you're still stuck in the body.

MrColossal · Fri 30/11/2007 03:21:28

Neil Dnuma, sleep paralysis is the major cause of people believing in alien abductions. It makes me happy that you don't make this link! Though through the description of yourself and other people's experience, it sounds terrible and not something that is well known so the link is at least partly understandishable.

Astral Projection: There really is no such thing. Out of Body Experiences can be replicated in a lab setting and proper tests of astral projection have come up failures. If you really want to test it, have someone visiting your house take a playing card from a deck and place it face up on the tallest book shelf in your house, one you can't see from the ground. Do your best to astral project yourself up onto the ceiling and read the card. When you've done it come back down and see if you were right. If you were, do it a few more times, if you're right every time, exactly right, not like "I guessed 3 of hearts but it was the 4 of diamonds, same colour suit and 1 number off!" then you are on to something amazing and need to contact a third party.

Neil Dnuma · Fri 30/11/2007 03:53:15

Thanks for clearing this up, guys. I'll tell my friend.

Heh, I can see the alien part. I haven't seen any of those, but there have been deceased relatives and even a car next to my bed(!). It feels very real the moment it happens, so it's pretty bad. But it doesn't last long nor happen very often.

InCreator · Fri 30/11/2007 03:54:35

Let's copy-paste something I wrote long ago...

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Hypnotized... well, kind of. I did it myself.
Try not to sleep for 52 hours!

Seeing a dream while being awake - just with some weird dream crossfaded onto what eyes really see?
And the dream is totally controllable, I could be superman with just at will?

Sitting down for 5 minutes, (I could swear it felt no more than 5 minutes!!!) and realizing that you've been sitting like this for 3 hours without moving?
Other similar time warps, a sort of bullet time?
Total sound slowdown! I can't explain or describe this. My ears just heard everything slowed down...
Instant amnesia periods, where you have no idea what happened few hours ago?

Etc...

Cool, but dangerous and painful. Don't try at home!

Well, about breathing, some of my friends tried it at 9th grade, breathing heavily so they'd pass out for short period of time.
I'd say this was quite idiotic. You can aswell punch yourself into nose and do it until blood loss is enough to faint. I've had nose problems due accident in childhood and lost over a litre of blood once. It just ran and didn't stop. Whole bathroom was red. Overbreathing effect is more or less the same - you feel weak and dizzy, everything feels surreal.

Stupid...

Nightfable · Fri 30/11/2007 03:56:02

I have a silly question... can I surf the net while astral projecting?

Because that way I could confirm a number one of you guys chose for me, lol

MrColossal · Fri 30/11/2007 03:56:41

Also, fun fact, way back in the day before the big "alien abduction" phenomena people believed they were demons visiting them and the description of what sleep paralysed people saw changed from that of demons to that of long grey beings with big eyes, popular social beliefs win again!

Nightfable, I think the more important question is, can you work on an AGS game while astral projecting?

Nightfable · Fri 30/11/2007 04:03:39

Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 30/11/2007 03:56:41
Nightfable, I think the more important question is, can you work on an AGS game while astral projecting?

OR More precisely, can one play ~~Monkey Island 2~~ The Blackwell Legacy while astral projecting?

Edit: Man!... I've never laughed so hard in my life!

mouthuvmine · Fri 30/11/2007 07:20:15

Wait, what do you mean astral projecting?

Wait a minute....YOU GUYS GOT BODIES? Oh, that is crap...
Ever the lonely projection, wandering aimlessly (and working on my game, so...yes to that question!)

DanielMax · Fri 30/11/2007 07:47:37

Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 30/11/2007 03:56:41
Also, fun fact, way back in the day before the big "alien abduction" phenomena people believed they were demons visiting them

And not just any demon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_%28folklore%29

Indie Boy · Fri 30/11/2007 11:07:19

What happens if you breathe less when you're sleeping?

Tuomas · Fri 30/11/2007 11:27:09

You die.

Seriously though, eveyone breathes less when they're sleeping because they need less oxygen. Or do you mean compared to usually breathing while sleeping?

Btw. Did you know, that a hibernating hedgehog's heart beats only some 3 times per minute?

Indie Boy · Fri 30/11/2007 11:41:01

I mean less in general, does your astral projection get high?

Did you know that people born with the rare genetic disorder Morvan’s fibrillary chorea or Morvan's syndrome can go without sleep for several months at a time.

Think about the amount of more oxygen these people would get, would they get "high"?

Nikolas · Fri 30/11/2007 12:26:16

Quote from: Indie Boy on Fri 30/11/2007 11:07:19
What happens if you breathe less when your sleeping?

This has a nice medical name and is called "apnoia".

My son has big apnoia (a normal boy his age had desaturation 2 and my son had 69). It is caused from huge tinsils getting in the way of his throat. He just snores and chokes all night and his oxygen levels are low...

He will get a surgery on the 24th of January... $:-\$

And no, these people wouldn't get high. When you sleep the whole system pretty much shuts down and goes to stand by, so you don't need much oxygen. If, for example, you wake up at night and go to the loo, there are chances that you will feel dizzy and even faint (many people, including me, have fainted while peeing). This is simply because the heart is resting as well going into low beats per minute and can't handle the extra pressure that moving and peeing requires. If you are not sleep, heart does not rest and acts normally.

What a scientific post I just did! WOW me! :o

Nacho · Fri 30/11/2007 12:41:12

Quote from: Nikolas on Fri 30/11/2007 12:26:16
Quote from: Indie Boy on Fri 30/11/2007 11:07:19
What happens if you breathe less when your sleeping?
This has a nice medical name and is called "apnoia".

My son has big apnoia (a normal boy his age had desaturation 2 and my son had 69). It is caused from huge tinsils getting in the way of his throat. He just snores and chokes all night and his oxygen levels are low...

He will get a surgery on the 24th of January... $:-\$

And no, these people wouldn't get high. When you sleep the whole system pretty much shuts down and goes to stand by, so you don't need much oxygen. If, for example, you wake up at night and go to the loo, there are chances that you will feel dizzy and even faint (many people, including me, have fainted while peeing). This is simply because the heart is resting as well going into low beats per minute and can't handle the extra pressure that moving and peeing requires. If you are not sleep, heart does not rest and acts normally.

What a scientific post I just did! WOW me! :o

Ain' t APNEA? At least in Spanish, and I am quite sure in English as well...

(God, how I want to correct someone in English, in psite of being corrected!!!)

Darth Mandarb · Fri 30/11/2007 12:44:52

Quote from: Indie Boy on Fri 30/11/2007 11:07:19What happens if you breathe less when your sleeping?

When your sleeping does what? And you have a sleeping? I wish I had a sleeping. I would take it to the park and put it on the swings ... we'd be great friends!

Nikolas · Fri 30/11/2007 12:45:56

Nacho: No idea but:

http://www.apnoia.org/index.html

and

http://www.britishsnoring.co.uk/snoring_&_sleep_apnoea/what_is_sleep_apnoea.php

apnoea...

In Greek it is spelled apnoia (άπνοια) thus I spelled it this way... At least I know the accent...

Indie Boy · Fri 30/11/2007 18:55:42

Darth Mandarb: Ok so maybe I did the very common mistake of using "your" instead of "you're". If you must know, I typed that post rather quickly because I was in a hurry. I apologize for you confusion and I miss led you into thinking you could be friends with "sleeping".

Oh and thank you Nikolas for that very interesting insight. At least some people on this forum can understand what I was meaning to say. And also could go about correcting me in a more suitable manner.

If some people have problems on how things are posted and what is posted then ban people, tell them off, make some more lovely rules. But basically I'm not here to be ridiculed, now you can't say I don't have a sense of humor or can't understand why some people are kind of mocked upon (I have even joined in). Just I have my own difficulties with language, I have trouble with the pronunciation, spelling and using words correctly. Also the fact that I'm only 17, so sorry I haven't got my masters degree in English yet.

God I last week I would hate reading people saying what I just typed.