Do You Believe in God's will/ luck?

[Stupot]

In my country, the post-masturbation cleansing ritual is called Kleenex.

[vertigoaddict]

I cracked the forth egg above the pan and a black liquid just splashed out and I just threw it away. I just gave up on the Idea and microwave-d instant noodles.

It's not god's or satan's or the tooth fairy's wrath that you should be worrying about.  It's the deep running conspiracy led by the makers of instant noodles.  They don't want you having healthy foods, so they've set about poisoning the chickens..

..But, seriously.  You can't honestly think "Oh no, God's punishing me" without a few deciding factors beforehand, for instance:
1. God exists, and you "believe" in him.  IE, follow some sort of teachings or formed your own on what he considers acceptable.
2. You actually care about said deity's opinion of you, and care about the consequences.  IE, hell, purgatory, whatever.

Lets say you did believe, and were worried about his opinion of you.  If you gave the deity any kind of credit, you wouldn't be sinning in the first place, out of fear of being punished, and in most religions, that punishment comes after death, not after midnight.

I think you're jumping to a clichéd and extreme conclusion, instead of just thinking "Oh, Eggs are bad".  I don't get distraugt when I find mould on my bread, I just buy new bread.  When a battery runs out, I don't think I'm being punished, I just replace the batteries.  If I stub my toe, I don't cry out to the heavens for forgiveness, I just look where I'm walking for a while.

I don't mean to sound cruel, but honestly? I think you're a bit of an attention seeker, and somewhat Emo.  For example, you seem far too willing to share that list of sins with us, than most people would.  Maybe you should add Vanity to it, whilst you're at it.

hmmm.... probably, I do seem to be a bit of an attention seeker don't I? Sorry 'bout that (There is a reason to why I don't hesitate to share info about myself, but I feel like it will lead to more 'attenttion-grabbing-like-thingies'. is there a word for that? or do I have to sound like an 8 year old?)

Like I said before, there has been a lot of incidences quite like this in the past and it has been occuring more recently and just more.

Personally I'm a bit of an athiest-free thinker. I tend to ask these kind of questions to many different people to see the reaction I get; I posted this thread to find out the responses I would get from the people in the forum.

You could say I'm just curious...on the topic of human behaviour/ reaction.

Like you said most people won't be willing to share a list of sins they have commited, but what happens if someone did? I guess I got my answer. ^_6

[jetxl]

I think you're showing that list to repend for your make-believe sins.
I think you're an attention seeking wining teenager who forces an image on people and craves their acceptance.
I think praying after jizzing is more pethetic that 23 suicide attempts (you must have it to an art by now), and I suggest jumping off a tower head first for your upcomming "cry for help".



jk
I doubt Bush jr has shit on his eggs and he did way more fucked up shit than you.

[EldKatt]

The more I think about the initial logic about the eggs, the stranger it seems to me. Consider the following.

I poured myself a glass of milk. It was sour! Then I poured myself a second glass of milk. It was also sour! What are the odds?

If one egg is bad, is it really that odd that other eggs from the same batch are also bad?

[Ishmael]

Here is a good list of sins with explanations of what they include and how they appear. Read that through and think again if you've sinned or not. Then concider that in the end Man within is his only true god and Satan.

[lo_res_man]

I belive god has a plan, s'he is just very subtle about it. Humans screw up most things with out any help from any fallen angel. As for luck I don't belive in it, because it tends to cancell itself out. i do however belive in chance.

[InCreator]

Weird. Few days ago I got sick, and so dizzy that I decided to leave work in the middle of the shift. Even though my boss thought I'm having a after-Christmas hangover or I'm just lazy and told me to shut up and get back to work. I hesitated, but still decided to go home. I was feeling THAT bad.

I work at vegetable/fruit warehouse. During Christmas, which is always busy fruit season, I help out with "dirty" work in warehouse, which means preparing orders for stores - loading and weighing fruit.

Walking towards the storeroom door, a truck driver was currently loading some supplies onto truck nearby.

Well, and just as I walked past him lifting the fully loaded pallet, I mean, it was huge, about 2 meters high, tripped over towards me, with about 10kg heavy boxes full of paprika falling down. Right onto hydraulic lifter I used this night.

It all missed me by few centimeters. If I would listen to my boss and decided to continue my work instead of going home, I would probably directly at lifter, loading a pallet onto it. Which means I would end up in hospital with severe head trauma. Nice addition to extremely sick and weak feeling I had that night.

Was it luck?
Sometimes, when I doubt something, this God/luck entity proves me right just after I've finally made up my mind.
A nice thing to remind me to always trust my intuition.

But vertigoaddict, pull yourself together!

First, make sure that you won't try suicide again. If your God/luck is like mine, 23 failed attempts should speak for themselves: thou shalt not kill yourself.

Second, thou shalt not hit a woman. I have a year younger sister and when we were little, we were fighting all the time, mostly for the love of parents. I never went WWF on her though, this is far too horrible.

Third, tales of self-pleasing really really isn't something to share on AGSBoards. Pray? Sounds pretty much like you've grown up in fairly religious environment, I wouldn't even imagine something like this. Sounds really stupid.

And for Fourth, watch where you buy eggs.

I don't believe that God would be too happy for you putting your hands together in a prayer, those hands you just used to-- well... lol

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

I believe in the biblical representation of God but not in a concept of destiny, because if you believe in God then you also believe in free will, which is, at its heart, the idea that your fate is governed by your own actions (good or bad).  What you're talking about (vertigoaddict), is more karma, which I don't particularly believe in but a lot of people do!  The whole idea that 'what comes around goes around' makes some people feel better when someone does something mean, anyway.

[lo_res_man]

speaking of Karma/reincarnation (they kind of go hand in hand), one thing I object to in that theory of post-living conditions, is that what makes an creature HIGHER and what makes a creature LOWER? Seems a tad specisist to me. Of corse if I did come back, I think I would want to be a pig. Did you know ,they can have orgasims lasting up to 30 minutes. Like I said, being a pig sounds preatty good

[vertigoaddict]

Weird. Few days ago I got sick, and so dizzy that I decided to leave work in the middle of the shift. Even though my boss thought I'm having a after-Christmas hangover or I'm just lazy and told me to shut up and get back to work. I hesitated, but still decided to go home. I was feeling THAT bad.

I work at vegetable/fruit warehouse. During Christmas, which is always busy fruit season, I help out with "dirty" work in warehouse, which means preparing orders for stores - loading and weighing fruit.

Walking towards the storeroom door, a truck driver was currently loading some supplies onto truck nearby.

Well, and just as I walked past him lifting the fully loaded pallet, I mean, it was huge, about 2 meters high, tripped over towards me, with about 10kg heavy boxes full of paprika falling down. Right onto hydraulic lifter I used this night.

It all missed me by few centimeters. If I would listen to my boss and decided to continue my work instead of going home, I would probably directly at lifter, loading a pallet onto it. Which means I would end up in hospital with severe head trauma. Nice addition to extremely sick and weak feeling I had that night.

Was it luck?
Sometimes, when I doubt something, this God/luck entity proves me right just after I've finally made up my mind.
A nice thing to remind me to always trust my intuition.

But vertigoaddict, pull yourself together!

First, make sure that you won't try suicide again. If your God/luck is like mine, 23 failed attempts should speak for themselves: thou shalt not kill yourself.

Second, thou shalt not hit a woman. I have a year younger sister and when we were little, we were fighting all the time, mostly for the love of parents. I never went WWF on her though, this is far too horrible.

Third, tales of self-pleasing really really isn't something to share on AGSBoards. Pray? Sounds pretty much like you've grown up in fairly religious environment, I wouldn't even imagine something like this. Sounds really stupid.

And for Fourth, watch where you buy eggs.

I don't believe that God would be too happy for you putting your hands together in a prayer, those hands you just used to-- well... lol

Ahh..Worship thy intuition!

1) Don't worry, I've stopped.

2) That is so sexist, so a woman can hit a man but not the other way around? What ever happened to 'equality'? And besides I was like 8-9 years old which made her like...around 15 (she was being a bitch)

3) Very religios parents, in fact their work revolves around religion. Is it not ironic how most children who are brought up by very religious parents end up less or not at all religious and children who are brought up by not so religious parents end up very religious (it's the wierd cycle of faiths)

4) Where I live used to be my grandfather's farm, My father grows crops somewhere at the other side of the road and he takes care of chickens, pigeons, turkeys, geese. (I don't even bother, so I'm not sure if he still takes care of Geese, I used to have 3 pet turkeys, but they got so annoying we ate them). The point was that the eggs were from home.

Speaking of Karma, I probably was talking about karma! (bangs head). I do get these dreams...if I had a past life, I probably killed someone or I was murdered (but most likely killed, maybe both)

[radiowaves]

speaking of Karma/reincarnation (they kind of go hand in hand), one thing I object to in that theory of post-living conditions, is that what makes an creature HIGHER and what makes a creature LOWER? Seems a tad specisist to me. Of corse if I did come back, I think I would want to be a pig. Did you know ,they can have orgasims lasting up to 30 minutes. Like I said, being a pig sounds preatty good

A Pig you say? You will be my meal then.



If I'd believe in Karma, I would probably had to kill myself because all kinds of readings say I am meant to be alone in life... Wtf? I don't want to, yet I am, so far. And this is kind of crap.
But talking about my current life. I haven't hurt any animals or such, but people. Not big-time but little things bug me. And God? I can say whatever, but at the end it seems I have lost more than got, if that is Gods will, then be it... Christianity is always based on misery and forgivness, being pathetic. Usually true believers are the ones who have shit in their collar. Did God put that in there so people would believe him?

And any suicide attempts that have gone over 3 times, is not a suicide attempt anymore. Its more likely an attempt of getting attention. There are million ways to kill yourself if you want it so badly, so don't be a dumbass.

[EldKatt]

As for luck I don't belive in it, because it tends to cancell itself out. i do however belive in chance.

I'm not sure I understand you. How would you define "chance"?

It all missed me by few centimeters. If I would listen to my boss and decided to continue my work instead of going home, I would probably directly at lifter, loading a pallet onto it. Which means I would end up in hospital with severe head trauma. Nice addition to extremely sick and weak feeling I had that night.

Was it luck?
Sometimes, when I doubt something, this God/luck entity proves me right just after I've finally made up my mind.
A nice thing to remind me to always trust my intuition.

It's not my intention to crap all over your religious experience, but I'd still say it's perfectly explainable by confirmation bias and the law of truly large numbers. Don't get me wrong: I've had experiences similar to this--perhaps not as dramatic, but still. I know what it's like, and it does astonish you in a way. But one ought to realize that since stuff happens all the time, some of it is bound to seem really really implausible. How many times have you been loading pallets with nothing like this happening? How many people are doing the same right now? Alright then.

[vertigoaddict]

Probably caused by lack of attention (hey, I was 13. I was allowed to be a dumbass!).

Now that I think about it, I don't think I cut myself to die really. It was more of a stress relief method. Whenever I felt over-stressed (like to the point you want to do more than scream) I'd cut myself and afterwards I'd feel calmer.

(at the time, I was quitting smoking, so cigarrettes were out of the question).

If I was ever re-incarnated, I'd like to be re-incarnated into twins.

[InCreator]

But one ought to realize that since stuff happens all the time, some of it is bound to seem really really implausible. How many times have you been loading pallets with nothing like this happening? How many people are doing the same right now? Alright then.

Nah. Really strange point in this story is that warehouse is rather large, maybe quarter of a football stadium or so. But boxes fell exactly where I left my lifter. Okay, this could happen.

But why was I walking past my lifter (accident spot)? I wasn't even going to work anymore, I was heading for exit. There's about many other, as short paths I could choose. And I still somehow took the dangerous one. If there's God/luck, it PUT me there, just to show how close I was from head trauma if I wouldn't decide to leave. Fate decided those lucky centimetres, not what happened... I could go other way, choose another exit, go to my boss (who was eating at the moment) and say I'm still leaving, anything...

What I'm trying to say is that the accident would have happened anyway. But me witnessing it, and hair-thickness-close, that's a miracle of some kind. Of all logical options I had before just walking this path, this one was most unlikely for me to pick.

The driver that tripped supplies is a complete moron, he constantly breaks something or rams electrical lifter into wall, or gets flat tire on the road, and always something bad happens to him. Whole shift curses him... Karma? His one sucks hardcore. Like with this fat guy on "Lost". Seriously!

At the happening moment, I didn't care. I looked over my shoulder, and walked away, I was feeling too shitty to even care. But later in home, thinking about it again, well, shudders.

But after this weird incident, am I superstitious? A bit really maybe.

Now that I think about it, I don't think I cut myself to die really. It was more of a stress relief method. Whenever I felt over-stressed (like to the point you want to do more than scream) I'd cut myself and afterwards I'd feel calmer.

This sounds SO emo. I hope you've discovered more reasonable and sensible stress relief methods by now.
Then again, not far away from your mental state - I guess - are people who cut others to relieve their feelings.
Huh.

[EldKatt]

Nah. Really strange point in this story is that warehouse is rather large, maybe quarter of a football stadium or so. But boxes fell exactly where I left my lifter. Okay, this could happen.

But why was I walking past my lifter (accident spot)? I wasn't even going to work anymore, I was heading for exit. There's about many other, as short paths I could choose. And I still somehow took the dangerous one. If there's God/luck, it PUT me there, just to show how close I was from head trauma if I wouldn't decide to leave. Fate decided those lucky centimetres, not what happened... I could go other way, choose another exit, go to my boss (who was eating at the moment) and say I'm still leaving, anything...

What I'm trying to say is that the accident would have happened anyway. But me witnessing it, and hair-thickness-close, that's a miracle of some kind. Of all logical options I had before just walking this path, this one was most unlikely for me to pick.

Well, yes. I understand that it was a very unlikely event. That was in fact much of my point. Whether a supposed "intelligent agent" caused an accident near you or merely caused you to be near the accident is irrelevant (and frankly I'm not quite sure how you can be so certain that it's one and not the other). I have nothing to add to what I've already said, really.

[Stupot]

I don't know what all this talk is of 'believing in luck'.
Of course luck exists.

If you win a bottle of wine in the raffle, that's lucky.
If you find a tenner on the floor, that's lucky.
Someone might consider themselves lucky if they have a wonderful partner and great kids.

other people might be considered less lucky, rarely wins at the races, can't find a decent partner, not from want of trying.  But if something particularly lucky or unlucky happens to you, yes it is a coincidence. And no it's not the work of a divine being, but I think it can still be called luck.

Luck, to me,  is kind of a measurement for the frequency and intensity of particularly good or bad coincidences and occurrences.

[lo_res_man]

I'm not sure I understand you. How would you define "chance"?

I think that stupid things happen because they happen. Events pile up into a chaotic state, and really predicting what will happen, or why, is more of a mugs game then anything else. Each individual could only have complete control over there destiny if they gave up all choice in the matter. Life is a chaotic mix.  Only force of will parts the storm, but even then, crap happens. Your life is a mix of your own choices and the mix with all other people choices. I guess a better way to put it is I belive in chaos, that the time spent finding out the reasons behind the weird events that crop up in peoples lives could be better spent living that life.

A Pig you say? You will be my meal then.

even if I  ended up being bacon, at least I was domesticated. And that's a sweet deal. Besides, I am gonna end up somebodies dinner anyway, worms and crawlers and bacteria.

[SSH]

When you're over your adolescent angst in a decade or so and engaged to a beautiful woman, her parents are going to google you, find this thread and go ape..

[vertigoaddict]

...I'm guessing that's what happened to you with princess Marian's (she is your wife right?) parents,you should make a game about the day you met her parents, I'm sure it'll get good reviews.

I think chance and luck co-exist with one another without chance there is ot luck. Like without suffering you don't appriciate the pleasures as much (S&M!!! WHEEEE!)

[lo_res_man]

but if luck exists, what happens if to 'lucky' people meet? They can't both be lucky. Sure for some people the dice come up good all the time, and for some, life is one bad roll after the next. Some get the natural 20's some are grateful to get better then the natural 1's. But I don't believe that is luck, i belive that is ordinary, explainable by the laws of physics, chance. No more and no less. And that is what I meant when I said I belive in chance, not luck. You have the right to disagree with me, but I also have the right to disagree with you.