PC Specs?

[thebaddie]

RAM is speeder than HD, a swap area cannot compete with ram speed

swap area is usefull only for the OS, or for temporany files (like extracting a rar file), but in no way it can be used as RAM

OS can swap portion of ram to swap area, just if ram is full and then reswap it to ram to be processed, but you have a down in efficence, so programs (like games) that need 1GB ram cannot run if you have 512MB also if you have 2GB of swap area

that's not a consideration, that are the fact (it was part of an exame at the university in witch I got the maximum vote)

[Radiant]

swap area is usefull only for the OS, or for temporany files (like extracting a rar file), but in no way it can be used as RAM

Pop quiz, dude. If theory does not match up with actual practice, which of the two is correct?

[thebaddie]

swap area is usefull only for the OS, or for temporany files (like extracting a rar file), but in no way it can be used as RAM

Pop quiz, dude. If theory does not match up with actual practice, which of the two is correct?

hoping I understand your question

the OS uses the swap area to temporany swap part of memory to the hd when ram is full, but it cannot manages it when it is in the swap area, so OS need to "wait" that a part of memory is free to reswap from swap area to ram and process it

swap area partition may be used ALSO as stock for temporany files, in example the windows OS uses a part of the main partition (where win is installed) to stores temporaney files, but you can change this "rule" for some programs like winrar forcing it to use the swap area partion as temporany file stock

or maybe i didn't understand your question and need to study more about english language

[Da_Elf]

the most common systems in my place is a dual quad core q6600 with 8 gb ram. the next common are the celeron systems but they are crap. then there is the dual opteron system as well as the dual xeon system

[thebaddie]

dual quad core q6600 with 8 gb ram

dual quad? wow it has 4x2=8 processor, with 8gb ram

it's the NASA computer? 

[Radiant]

hoping I understand your question

No, you aren't. The point is that you're telling me that, according to your theoretical test, what I am doing in actual practice with my computer is not possible. And yet here I am, doing it.

I am fully aware of what swap space is. Swap is not for temporary files, as those are stored in the file system (\windows\temp\*.*, for instance; the swap file is \pagefile.sys). They wouldn't be temporary files if they weren't, you know, files. Otoh, swap is precisely for usage as (virtual) memory.

And while it is obviously slower than actual memory, it is by definition a possible substitute. You can't even say how much slower it is until you know the relative latency of hard drive and memory (and primary and secondary cache of both, and look-aheads). "It is slower therefore it cannot work" is not a good argument.

[thebaddie]

sorry but you'r in error
\windows\temp\ is not file system is a simple temporany files directory nothing more

anyway i say you can use swap PARTITIONS (if you create it) also for temporaney files and swap area

you're right about virtual memory, but pieces of code swapped from ram to swap area CANNOT BE MANAGED by the OS, they are in swap area stored waiting to return to the RAM to be managed from OS (so processed and so on)

i'm excuse with you cause i don't read previews messages but only last one about swap area, so i'll read all others messages to understand what you'r talking about

[EDIT]
i read previous messages, and no, i'm in the advice you can't run programs that need more then your ram (at least double size)

if you can i'm really interesting in it.. i'm serius

[Radiant]

\windows\temp\ is not file system is a simple temporany files directory nothing more

False. \Windows\temp is part of the file system.

anyway i say you can use swap PARTITIONS (if you create it) also for temporaney files and swap area

False. Swap partitions don't have a file system (and aren't used by windows, and are obsolete in linux). Swap partitions are, by definition, solely for swap area.

but pieces of code swapped from ram to swap area CANNOT BE MANAGED by the OS, they are in swap area stored waiting to return to the RAM to be managed from OS

False. Swapping is managed by the OS.

Swap space is NOT for storing temporary files. Swap space is FOR virtual memory.

[thebaddie]

ok i say: you're completly in error in all your points

file system is the part of an OS that manages things like coping files, create directory and so on

temp folder is a directory and nothing more

swap area are strongley used by unix/linux and win uses them to

memory swapped in swap area cannot be processed cause it is inactive

so i'm boring to repeat same things, go study and not tell things invented at all

a good start could by there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory (Note that "virtual memory" is not just "using disk space to extend physical memory size".)

then read some OS book, read linux man and so on


last thing, i also write a program that simulate different type of memory allocation and swap area system and i study swap area in deep

[Radiant]

You are now contradicting your previous post, and completely missing the point of mine.

[thebaddie]

to radiant

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/4204/swapsc8.png

[Radiant]

You need to work on your reading comprehension before making condescending posts.

[thebaddie]

i have problem with reading comprehension?

\Windows\temp is part of the file system.

it's an heresy

Swap partitions ... (and aren't used by windows, and are obsolete in linux). Swap partitions are, by definition, solely for swap area.

i demostrate you windows uses swap partition, and btw linux strongley use it (the obsolete think is old custom that swap area must to be double sized ram)

Swapping is managed by the OS.

everything is managed by OS, but swap area cannot be processed, it must repass trought ram


anyway we are to much offtopic, so if you want to continue pm me.

[Da_Elf]

thebaddie ive only got 10 of those right now. need to get some more though

[thebaddie]

10 of those wow

so i think they are servers isn't it?
or they are for home use?

where can i find more details?

[Da_Elf]

my studio does animation. those are render nodes. so more or less all the havei n them are motherboard, 2 processors, ram, a 40gig hard drive a PSU and a crappy video card (i would have gone without the video card and gotten a mobo with onboard video but the one with onboard video could only take 4 gigs of ram and the price was next to negligable). i usually fire them up for the big jobs. the small jobs i do on the 6 celerons

[evilDMT]

Well, just for fun.. I guess since I started the topic, I'll post my machine.

AMD Dual Core 6000+ @ 3ghz
4GB RAM
Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTS 512mb (g92 chip)
320/500/750GB Hard Drives
19" Widescreen LCD
16x SATA Burner
M-Audio Audiophile 96/24

[lo_res_man]

17" monitor
2 scroll mice
USB Mono headphones/microphone
Internet Keyboard with extra buttons I never use.
USB Webcam
900 mhz.
128 ram.
2mb video memory.
Windows 2000 Pro.
I got it for $80. And it is the best computer I have ever had.

[mouthuvmine]

Okay, on topic,

Core 2 duo 6600
2 gb of ram
250 / 120 / 2x 400 gb hdds
Radeon x1600 pro / 512

And a little 4 gb maxtor with all my old games and dosbox.

and off topic, just pinch...

If the swap file is only usable by the OS, wouldn't having a larger swap file still help in other duties, simply because the os wasn't as resource intensive as it would normally be? I'm very computer savvy, but I lack any actual education in computers, so I'm not so technically minded as I'd like to be in this.