A UFO theory.

[vict0r]

shouting fake at everything they see without proper counter evidence

Authenticity needs to be proven, not the other way around.   No one is going to prove aliens don't exist anywhere in the universe, likewise no one will prove there is no God.    It works the other way around and not for absurd reasons so everyone should come to terms with that easily.

That is the core problem, and not with us "anti-believers"... another label.

I were talking about videos, sorry for the diffuse wording. The difference from atheism here is that people actually have videos showing what they mean is UFOs. There probably is a better word/label for it, but that's the best I found for people who really, really don't want to believe. Again, I'm not saying aliens do exist but what makes you so sure that every single video out there is fake?

[Nacho]

It's quite common in the "believers world". They come, arrogantly, claiming that "they know something that the rest of the world doesn't" (Which imply that they are smarter than the rest of the world, of course)

Then, what they believe is debunked by sensible people... They are proven that, they are not only smarter, but also sillier... They they step back and deny what they previously said. A classical movement.

What?! Get the fuck off your high horse man! You've been a complete cock throughout this whole thread, so please stop. He didn't try to defend himself, but admitted that he hadn't checked up enough on the man's credentials. Not trying to save his ship but admitting that he was wrong. Also, I know you are capable of writing pretty good english, so please do spellcheck your posts as a whole lot of them are more or less illegible. And by the way, a badly written article and a recommendation of a book does not classify as valid sources in my book. The article by Dave Thomas was quite interesting though!

Evenwolf: It did seem like you blew the Adair guy off because he was boring and not because he was a potential fake.

Me? I'm really not a believer but I get involved with these discussions when the "anti-believers" start making silly claims shouting fake at everything they see without proper counter evidence. If someone has a video of an unidentifiable flying light, this is per definition a UFO. I'm not saying it's alien, but hey, most of them don't seem human made so it's natural that people should question it's origin.

I read my posts again.



I keep what I said.

[vict0r]

Erm... Huh? Can you rephrase that?

[Nacho]

Yes... and I will extend my reply.

Part 1) I apology for my bad spelling. I am not good at English, but I am a person who believes that my opinion can be interesting for some people, so I make the effort to communicate what I think. That makes people believe that I am good at English, but that' s not true... I am just dare enough to try to speak.

I apology for posting too much with an English level that is clearly below average, with typos, misspelling and grammar mistakes. It embarrases me and makes me feel bad and stupid. I thank everybody who makes the effort to try to understand me.

Part 2) I kept everything what I said in this posts:

Saying "Nobody can tell to you if Aliens anal probe you when they abduct you, since nobody has been abducted by an alien" is not, in my honest opinion, being a cock. Maybe is cruel to read "NOBODY HAS BEEN ABDUCTED" so clearly, without ornaments, but I am sorry... That' s what we have.

If you believe in Roswell, when even Karl Pflock (A die hard UFO believer) says that the case is a joke, you are showing that your will to believe is so big that you are unvalidated as a witness. Saying that is not being a cock.

Saying to me "Your only reply to that is posting a link to a bad written article and a link to a book? That' s not enough" is being a cock. The article is not bad written, at least is not written worse that its "believer" equivalents. If you think it' s bad written maybe a freudian complex of seeing anything skeptic as "bad" is comming to surface. That' s not my fault, and it does not makes me a cock.

Recommending a book was not an argument of mine. What I am saying is that you should read the book to go on with the discussion, which is quite different.

Posting a link to a book implies THAT I HAVE READ that book. And Friedmann' s... And Berglitz... And Randle' s. I have read your "believer crap", why don' t you read my "skeptic crap"? Scared of discovering something you don' t like? Sorry, that' s not my fault. I sum more that 5,000 read pages about that topic, between books, articles and studies in my 10 years of experience as a skeptic investigator, and I think I have enough background to tell that I know something about it. Replying to what I say telling "That article is interesting" or "this youtube video" is like a kid that has just learned to sum arguing with Einstein about physics... Behave as a cock, basically...

Posting a video of a "someone" saying "something" about alien technology and swallowing it with no need of further evidences proves that your will of believing is so big that it invalidates you as a witness or contertulios. Saying that is not, IMHO, being a cock.

Saying that Radiowaves didn' t try to defend David Adair was being a cock. He even claimed that is WONDER that after watching his video we still don' t believe.

So, to summarise. I don't think I have been a cock, I keep what I said, and the way I said it. If what I said made you feel that I was behaving like a cock it' s not my fault. Maybe is deciving that with so little your believes are smashed, but that' s not my fault.

[radiowaves]

What?  I thought you were arguing on behalf of the claims he was making.

It's quite common in the "believers world". They come, arrogantly, claiming that "they know something that the rest of the world doesn't" (Which imply that they are smarter than the rest of the world, of course)

Then, what they believe is debunked by sensible people... They are proven that, they are not only smarter, but also sillier... They they step back and deny what they previously said. A classical movement.

I never claimed myself a believer Thats something that you people said.
Actually I am very sceptic, friendly sceptic, I'd say. And I have absolutely no problem taking my claims back. And I didn't say any opinion about these videos, I just simply posted them. I just thought to spark some controversy or something. Its about information, not self promotion.

I also think that you people here need to calm down.

[Nacho]

Friend, you must understand that it makes sense that, if in a middle of a UFO thread, you post those kind of videos with no further explanation, we infer you are a believer.

If you are not, I apology, but my sentence about "believers stepping back when debunked" sentence is still valid, even if it can' t be directly applied to your case.  It' s a quite classic movement.

[radiowaves]

The stepping back part applies to all sides, as long as I am concerned. But why grab on to that aspect at all? Its waste of energy. Searching for direct information is more productive in this matter. You simply take what you have and don't have and compare, some 3'rd party acts, be them from believers or non believers, are not important.
Its funny how most of the threads turn into personal arguments and in the end its all about proving who is smarter, who is right and who is wrong in the sence that the actual topic subject isn't on the front line anymore.

[Nacho]

and in the end its all about proving who is smarter, who is right and who is wrong in the sence that the actual topic subject isn't on the front line anymore.

In this case it' s different... A political argument usually end in a draw, since nobody can prove the other part opinion' s is worse than yours... In this case, "believers" must recognise that they do not have any evidence at all to support what they say.

[vict0r]

and in the end its all about proving who is smarter, who is right and who is wrong in the sence that the actual topic subject isn't on the front line anymore.

In this case it' s different... A political argument usually end in a draw, since nobody can prove the other part opinion' s is worse than yours... In this case, "believers" must recognise that they do not have any evidence at all to support what they say.

But why? I'm not going to rip up everything wrong about your last HUEG post, but are you really that arrogant that you think you are 100% correct? Again, I'm not "a believer", but man... That's just stupid.

[Nacho]

Sorry for my HUEG post and my misspellings.

One question: Why my "That are not aliens, I am correct" is "more arrogant" than the "That are aliens spacecrafts, I am correct" than the believers claim? Again, if you have a complex of seeing anything coming from the skeptic world as worse than its believer equivalent it' s not my fault.

[radiowaves]

One question: Why my "That are not aliens, I am correct" is "more arrogant" than the "That are aliens spacecrafts, I am correct" than the believers claim?

Does it really matter?

[Nacho]

Of course it does. If somebody tells me that my arguments are arrogant and that I am stupid, I want to know if their arguments are more solids than mine. Otherwise, his arguments would be, at least, as "arrogant and stupids" as mine are.

(The truth is that their armuments are LESS solid than mine, ergo their arguments are the stupid and arrogant ones)

When he crawls back and says that "he is not even a beliver", when it' s obvious he is, he is not only being stupid and arrogant, but also a coward without balls.

[vict0r]

Ah, I'll stop this as the personal attacks has started flying.

Nacho: Chill man Nothing matters!

[Nacho]

No probs... It' s been the most interesting thing that happened to me in this forums for months.   

[EldKatt]

Wait. This is when the personal attacks started flying? The threshold seems arbitrary to me, sir.

[m0ds]

Just so you know, there's a lot of "hype" at the moment about first contact occuring next Tuesday (14th Oct). Some are saying a gigantic craft & will hover over Africa for 3 days to give undeniable proof of UFOs and aliens! Well, who knows. I don't, but I'm cashing in on the prospect...

I've made a couple of video blogs & will have a few more up until Oct 14th (just in case!) so if you want to see some light hearted nonsense about UFOs, check my YouTube page listed below. Oh, and a word of warning - if you're a sceptic, that's fine - but I'm not anymore, so these videos might be disturbing to people who strictly believe there is no such thing!!!

Also, there is some stuff going on in Google Earth that is puzzling people. Watch blog 2, and if any of you guys have an answer or a phone number for Google Earth, let me know! I've tried calling them, but no luck yet, hehehe.

http://www.youtube.com/markymint

[Matti]

Very cool. Perhaps those spacecrafts will assassine Mugabe and bring rain into the Sahara. 

Or they'll just take away their pyramids.  :'(

[MrColossal]

Nice videos mark, I like the editing and how you reacted to "other strange things on google earth"

I also loved loved loved how you handled that UFO video in your first episode, pointing out that the camera person was obviously following the aircraft and not the other object which would be of more interest. That was a great bit of debunking.

However, I'm curious who this Blossom Goodchild woman is? Where does she get her information?

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

Heh, I like your show m0ds, but it strikes me as almost a parody the way you present it.  Since you seem to truly believe (or want to believe) in this stuff, it just seemed a bit odd to me.  It was entertaining, anyway!

[Darth Mandarb]

Really good stuff!

I'm in almost complete and total opposition to your beliefs, but I still find the subject [in a fiction kind of way] extremely entertaining!!  I liked the over-all format of the show!  Was only able to watch the one (I'm at the office now) but will definitely watch more later!

Cheers!