A UFO theory.

[m0ds]

So what is the circular object with a dark circle at what could be the "front" end of it, why is it really defined as circular? What do you say it is?

What are the 4 sets of 3 lights near the sun in the red image?

If these have been explained in the articles you've read, I'd be interested to see the quote posted. I'll get around to reading the articles myself next week

Cheers dude

[MrColossal]

Sorry, what images are you talking about specifically? You linked a lot of videos and I don't know what you're talking about exactly.

Even so, I'm not qualified to comment on what is in those images. Pareidolia and general ignorance would make me leap to conclusions that are unfounded.

http://www.xanaduobservatory.com/VeilFitsLibFirstTry.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/girlpuck/Eagle%20Nebula.jpg

For instance, look at these pictures, first off, why are there clouds in space, I thought scientists said that there is no atmosphere in space! It's a vacuum so why are there clouds?!

All of these questions have been answered by the people who know how to even begin answering the questions. I'm sorry to say that there are answers to the questions you seek but you don't like them because they are seemingly mundane. There was a video I posted a while back about what really happened at Roswell as explained by a Professor Muller during a lecture on sound waves. He explains the sound channel in the water and Sofar spheres, he explains the sound channel in the sky, all discovered by humans and used by humans. When you hear the story Muller tells about how all of these incidents come together to equal a crashed "flying disc" in New Mexico, it's amazing! It's a great story and it's true! But because it isn't aliens it is seen as mundane. That's too bad.

Will every picture of something in the sky be explained, of course not, and it's silly for anyone to think so. But every sound outside your house at 3am is also not explained but chances are that it's something mundane and not Bigfoot. So again, when you take the holy grail of UFO stories, Roswell, and you learn the backstory from people who know how to interpret the data, you get the truth. So when someone then shows me a picture of something without the advanced knowledge on how to interpret the photo, I can't and should not believe them. Hence, SOHO photos.

[m0ds]

Good points, but what about this - since Roswell, no government has said "such things exist", but also since Roswell, have been documenting orindary peoples experiences of things in the sky. I was talking about this image of the sun:



which is where I think significant evidence is because "stars" would never line up like that, and, well, as discussed previously, they're closer than the stars by far. I'd like to think that even you Mr Furrspleen can decipher that these objects aren't stars, satellites, comets or atmospheric...and are hosted on the NASA server, etc...but you be the judge, I'm interested in your opinion

NASA leaves these things in because there will be too much implication on them in the future if they never had. The problem is that from the beginning they've slipped up and allowed these things to get into public domain. In a year or 2 they'll claim to find ET out there, and imagine if they said that and did not have a catlog of evidence to later go "Oh look at that, we already had them on tape" than if they said "We found em, but no previous evidence" but members of the public said, "err, yes you do, we have loads of your mistakes on our hard drives" - there'd be a case for some crazy american to sue. They're just paving more lies to try & dig themselves out of a massive sticky hole they're already in. Most of the moon-walkers say there's alien life out there, and they're more likely to be in the know than NASA's PR office.

As for the clouds, I didn't know that they were. I thought they were clouds formed by clusters of billions of stars, but no, I have no idea. If there shouldn't be clouds in space but there is then its just more positive evidence that our scientists must know quite little really, or are naive to the possiblity or just get paid too much to keep their mouths shut, I don't know. I don't think we can say these questions have been "answered", when all we've really done is look at them through a telescope. In the same way I don't understand how a lot of scientists can assume we haven't found the existence of alien life yet, but then, all this UFO stuff really comes down to the individuals that have seen something or agreed to believe and persue the evidence & that accounts too for scientists who perhaps haven't. For all I know even the "NWO" or PTB don't even have a clue simply because they've never experienced it first hand.

[MrColossal]

RE: Roswell.
But Roswell has nothing to do with aliens from outerspace crashing on the planet. It has everything to do with the Cold War and the US versus Russia. Do you agree or disagree?

RE: That red picture.
I don't know. I can't know. That's the point. I don't have context. I don't have the education. What does the next frame look like? Are they still there in the next frame? Is this a single frame anomaly? What is the official story for what those are? Is this a common error? Can you answer any of these questions? If not, why not? Read the BadAstronomy link, he explains that these aren't just cameras from the store.

RE: The clouds.
This is the problem Mark... Those are nebula. Scientists have known about them for years. They found them, did tests to analyze them and now know exactly what they are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula This is what people with education on the subject and context to the photo do, they explain the truth.

We have known about nebula since the 1700s! http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1087.html You've never heard of them so instead of doing research or asking for more information you just dropped it. If I google image search for Space Clouds it even tries to correct me "Related searches:  nebula"

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=space%20clouds&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

I show you a picture that you don't have context to and you assume it's scientists lying to you when for the last 300 years scientists have told you the truth about nebula. You had no education on the subject and no context so you didn't and couldn't know. You said yourself that you've never seen anything like these SOHO images, maybe that's a clue that they're out of your knowledge range and research is needed. For instance, I just read about nebula, neat!

I guess this is the problem. You are of the mindset that everyone but TruthLuver42 on youtube is lying to you or being paid off. NASA is an institution run by the United States Government, do you think the US Government is in any kind of habit of letting information out into the public because if it's found out that they lied it would be more damaging to them?! One of our Presidents illegally wire tapped the Whitehouse, they didn't release these recordings because they were nervous if someone found out they'd get in more trouble! Why would NASA act any differently than these supposed black ops alien hiding shadow governments?

Oh, I just want to add one more thing. That LASCO image is related to a new(ish) story about a possible collision with the Sun by a comet/dwarf star/object... Apparently this will happen on August 22nd and many of us will be fried to a crisp. All just hype? Who knows...the LASCO and SOHO images in the last few days have been weird enough to back it...

It's August 21st right now, are you worried? Are you honestly worried? These people and their predictions have been wrong since the dawn of time. When has a doomsday scenario ever been predicted correctly? What happened to that Lovegood woman or whoever she was, the one claiming aliens would show themselves? Why do these people get free passes at being wrong? How many times must people be wrong before you stop listening to them?

Alright alright, I need to give some reason why I'm writing so much. It's obvious to me that you love this. You love writing about, making movies about and thinking about the possibility that there are alien visitors here doing... something. I fear contrary opinions are dismissed in favor of supporting arguments. I fear you trust people will a youtube account more than the people who built the camera that is giving you the photos. I am waiting for the evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt [and well beyond a shadow government] that there are extra terrestrials visiting the planet. The SOHO pictures are interesting but after some research it is pretty clear that they are not sufficient evidence for me.

I guess the only thing I hope to gain from discussing this is maybe convincing you to approach your evidence differently? Ask more questions of it. Only by weeding out the fake evidence do we get at anything real and if these SOHO pictures are mundane we can forget about them and look for better evidence. Like how Roswell has been explained for the awesomely "mundane" story that it is so we can stop using that in our examples of alien visitation.

Anyway, I don't mean to offend, it's obvious we both are passionate about this subject and through my passion I hope to not have stepped out of line.

[m0ds]

Mad! Google had a UFO logo not long ago with a code under it that read "All your O are belong to us" and today this!
which leads to a "crop circle" search. Not to mention the shit-load of alien related movies glinting on the horizon! Avatar, The 4th Kind, District 9... Crazy shiznay!

Thanks for your words, Eric. I'll think about what you've said and hopefully have an answer for you this mellenia I just wanted to point out the current surge on UFOs in pop culture. Cos it's been a while! Unless you count the Day the Earth Stood Still remake with Keanu. And that was balls. Literally. Huge glowing ballz.

What I don't understand is why UFOs, as possibly intelligent as they may be, don't blast out heavy metal or something awesome. They just flash. That's so old school and crap!

[Nacho]

Aliens are IN Pop culture or aliens ARE Pop culture? Mmmmmmm...

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

While I have considerably less trust in my government's honesty than Eric seems to, I've always looked at the whole alien argument from the perspective of these vastly superior beings needing to be really, really, really damn bored to visit another planet full of life forms that are obviously of 'some' intelligence and just abduct them secretly, do foul, strange things to them, then deposit them back home otherwise unharmed.  Meanwhile, in spite of increasingly high definition cameras nobody can seem to get a single damn crystal clear image of a UFO or alien that isn't an obvious fake.

It would be like if we took an ant, and with specialized micro tools gave it an abdomen probe for the hell of it and then returned it back to the hive.  In practice, when people play with ants the ants just end up dead.  When mankind goes out into space we explore and examine new things, and yet with aliens it's the same old story of mankind being the center of the universe and aliens having nothing more interesting to do than stick things up our butts and give us weird scary looks.

Does any of this make sense?  

YOU DECIDE.

[m0ds]

Progz, perhaps your US government forged a contract of sorts to allow certain "testing" on humans - at least, that's the view of some. The main supporting evidence for this is that earlier reports of abduction & alien interaction were with one race that's quite friendly, then, after a certain president was in power and a supposed contract formed with another alien race for certain reasons (the grays) they were given permission to do "tests" so long as they returned people back safely. If you read catalogued abduction reports they do go from "nice beings asking questions" generally before the 60's to "weird beings doing tests" after the 60's. But hey, who knows!

with aliens it's the same old story of mankind being the center of the universe and aliens having nothing more interesting to do than stick things up our butts and give us weird scary looks.

Again, how can we even presume to know their agenda or even our own place as a planet/race in the Universe?

As for the HD image - I feel that will happen sometime soon, don't you worry.

Funny news now is Water on the moon!. Did you see how it was found by India's orbiter that's only been up there recently, yet certain US of A's have had the same technology, probably even better up there for AGES and never fessed up about the water/stuff under the surface. Well, luckily for us India blew the lid and NASA's efforts to prevent disclosure are starting to fall apart - thanks to the fact other countries than the USA have their own space programmes. Exciting stuff! The US is hitting the moon with a couple of satellite things to hopefully get new data about what's under the surface, but some think its going to destroy certain artefacts on the moon including the tower/plinth on the far side. Obama's stuff on nukes lately too, albeit it bloody amazing - total nuclar disarmement would be fantastic - perhaps it is due to the constant warnings governments get from alienz to disarm but have previously dismissed.

So to re-iterate,
1. Earlier this summer; NASA plan to test the theory of water on the moon by smashing probes into it Oct 2009 yet do not confirm that there is any possiblity of water on the moon.
2. In the last week Indian spacecraft confirms there IS water on the moon without having to smash into it.

Perhaps if these two things happened the other way round, it wouldn't seem so blindingly obvious that NASA lie about alien existence & with-hold other interesting/important information about space until someone else finds out.

And the nuclear disarmament; Could it be the US Governments way of buying themselves a ticket with whoever owns/built the outpost on the moon to destroy the evidence of it ever being an outpost by finally abiding by what "aliens" have been trying to tell us for the past 40 years - get rid of all your nukes...

Well - just thought I'd get you thinking I've seen two possibly three UFO's in the last month - so there's definitely no shortage of them out/up there...keep an eye on teh sky!

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

You are absolutely crazy, Mark.


I still like you, though.

[m0ds]

Interested to know what you folk make of this phenomena over Norway a day or two ago:





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jmsZyQUInA

Out of control missiles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2nss13GvPM

Do they really spiral to a central point and then expand into nothingness? You be teh judge

[Darth Mandarb]

The still photos, to me, look like time-lapse (left the shutter open for a long time) because none of the video I have seen come even close the number of rings or "radiance" of the photos.

From my perspective this looks like a laser-light show (from the ground) shining up on the clouds.

I did hear some speculation that it was a wormhole generated by the LHC.  I am fond of that notion, however ludicrous

[MrColossal]

The general consensus seems to be that it was a Russian rocket that messed up and spiraled out of control but man, I'd love to see something like that in the sky [as long as it didn't hurt anyone! or I guess waste god knows how much money] just for the sheer awe of it.

[Atelier]

Yeah, or somebody put their greasy thumb on the lens.

Edit: I just found this link - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8406633.stm

[Nacho]

Here, too, russian rocket.

But I think... If my  friend Mark post it here, he must be doing it because of some reason. Let me see if I can follow his reasoning.

a) This is weird.
b) This is so weird that I can't explain it.
c)  Why can't I explain it? I should be able to explain anything happening on earth... I have been in this planet for decades and I should be able to give a rational explanation to anything happening here.
d) What if I can't explain it because it doesn't come from earth?
e) ergo, It must be something coming from the outer space.
f) ergo, It must be something created by an alien intelligence.

I agree with a and b... Even with b.
I can't really explain it. I *presume* it's something earth-related that I can't explain because of my lack of knowleadge of how lights work in zones close to outer space. I know nothing about how a huge light in the ionosphere should look... I don't know anything about how should that light be. I *presume* there must be something in the atmosphere, or in the way cameras digitallize that event to make it look so weird, but I can't be sure.

But I don't agree with c. I assume there are a lot of things going on in this planet that I can't explain.

I don't agree with people who can't explain a thing and automatically take the easy path and say: "hey! I can't explain that light... It must be an alien aircraft" or "Hey! I can't explain who that experienced mountaneer dissapeared in that forest: He must have been kidnepped by a sasquatch!" or "Hey! I can't explain how Copperfield crosses the big chinese wall... He must be able to de-matterialise and matterialise himself in another place!". Unexplained is not the same as unexplicable.

If I can't agree with c, I can't agree with d, e and f either. Anyway... even assuming that, I hardly dissagree with F. There is a lot of outer space stuff... That stuff is not alien made. It can't be.

Anyway... I want to go on with reasoning. Anyone who has stopped reasoning in step "f" should go on with it too.

g) Why an alien wants to take the world attention over him switching on a huge light?
h) If we concede that an alien wants to take the world attention over him... Why he does it with a light? Why he just doesn't land in fron of the white house and has and interview with Obama?

Not kidding here... g and h are real skeptik questions that believers seem unable to reply. To summarise: Why would aliens like to call our attention on them? If they want to call our attention, why they don't do it propperly?

[Crimson Wizard]

To summarise: Why would aliens like to call our attention on them? If they want to call our attention, why they don't do it propperly?

They are bored. They are having fun on us, poor earthlings.  :'(

[Nacho]

The russian deffense minister has just admitted that the "object" was a Bulavá missile launched from the Dmitri Donskói nuclear sub. Case solved.