Revews, reviews, reviews...

Iliya · Fri 23/04/2010 12:06:46

Here is the example of how a game review should be made (positives, negatives, everything). Check out http://www.reloaded.org and see how the games are reviewed. This is good job!

Note: This post is dedicated to AGS Panel

abstauber · Fri 23/04/2010 12:17:25

haha, you made me chuckle

In your face, rating panel!

Andail · Fri 23/04/2010 12:51:39

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Iliya · Fri 23/04/2010 12:58:24

AGS Panel needs help, not me. And I'm trying to help.

Leon · Fri 23/04/2010 13:02:10

Please..... not again....

Matti · Fri 23/04/2010 13:22:03

Try to act like you're 33, not 14 or something.

Intense Degree · Fri 23/04/2010 13:27:33

Surely Harg's place in AGS Footballer is assured by now?!

Iliya · Fri 23/04/2010 13:39:14

Quote from: Mr. Matti on Fri 23/04/2010 13:22:03
Try to act like you're 33, not 14 or something.

What immature you saw in my attempt to help.

NsMn · Fri 23/04/2010 13:40:19

Please, you're just making it worse.

What are you going to say next, "I'm just telling the truth"?

Iliya · Fri 23/04/2010 13:44:09

Quote from: NsMn on Fri 23/04/2010 13:40:19
Please, you're just making it worse.

What are you going to say next, "I'm just telling the truth"?

You all know that I don't like how AGS Panel work. But I like AGS and I want to re-add my games back. But I can't do that while AGS Panel is working like that. So what's wrong with my post?

Iliya · Fri 23/04/2010 13:44:59

Quote from: Intense Degree on Fri 23/04/2010 13:27:33
Surely Harg's place in AGS Footballer is assured by now?!

You can add me as Stoichkov

Matti · Fri 23/04/2010 13:56:30

You don't have to tell "the AGS panel" how to write a proper review. Long in-depth previews are made on blogs or other game-related websites. In the AGS game database, ONE person says on or two things about the game to give a very short overview on the games.

1. Your games do gain much more popularity when they're added to the database despite being criticized by the review panel. Also, the user's comments and their ratings are much more important (and I think they weren't bad in your case).

2. You're still starting threads about your game and about the AGS review panel. Why don't you just stop it? This is childish and shows that you're desperately trying to get attention for your game, maybe because you've deleted it? Add it or don't, but stop whining and trying to get attention. Last time it was google, now it's something else, but it's always about your game. That's pathetic.

GarageGothic · Fri 23/04/2010 14:05:03

Why not just send review copies to some adventure and indie game websites and bloggers? Get some nice reviews and post quotes/links to them in the game description? At the moment if you google "cosmos quest 3 review", the first thing that comes up, and the only page even resembling a review, is the entry in the AGS database.

Dualnames · Fri 23/04/2010 14:08:09

Quote from: Harg on Fri 23/04/2010 13:44:09
Quote from: NsMn on Fri 23/04/2010 13:40:19
Please, you're just making it worse.

What are you going to say next, "I'm just telling the truth"?

You all know that I don't like how AGS Panel work. But I like AGS and I want to re-add my games back. But I can't do that while AGS Panel is working like that. So what's wrong with my post?

Seriously Harg, what good is your topic doing to AGS?

Because somebody liked your game, and rated 5 doesn't mean the AGS suck, and the other way around.

You know what, have you seen my McCarthy Chronicles review?

I was totally harsh yet pretty much true, but Calin reacted like a GROWN UP, because he knows he released it mostly as a prologue and therefore had to cut some parts and add others, to make it work like this, and he's aware that the quality of the game isn't up to his expectations. But wow, for a first game 4 awards! It may not have excellence in all fields, but it has greatness in immersion. Full stop.

Now, on your game. I really liked the first cosmos quest games. How will getting your games rated 4 cups and 6 cups and 20 cups will improve the AGS, or the AGS panel. They will make it worse. Anyone will be able to just beg enough, act stupid enough to get his game rated well.

But let's just be frank, just this once. Is it the biggest coincidence ever that 7 days or so later than Calin (a newcomer) changed his cup rating from 2 to 3 cups, that you removed your games from the database? Eh? I mean yeah, sure, you protested against the bad panel. But why didn't you do it kind of earlier? For your other games? You just thought you'd be able to get a cup increase.

Iliya · Fri 23/04/2010 14:34:15

Guys, this is my battle against AGS Panel, which is ONE guy who decides the destiny of your game. How will you get serious review from serious site when in AGS site (your game engine site) are written these terrible comments. How to explain to another sites that this review is an opinion of 1 man. They read "AGS panel left comments...", but they don't know that this is one guy's opinion.

I will continue my arguing about that because I know that there is something WRONG. I'm not looking for a popularity. Otherwise my games will not be removed.

What AGS should do? At least change "AGS Panel review for this game:" with "A member of AGS Panel..."

The only way to stop me is to ban me.

Matti · Fri 23/04/2010 14:42:27

Quote from: Harg on Fri 23/04/2010 14:34:15
Guys, this is my battle against AGS Panel, which is ONE guy who decides the destiny of your game. How will you get serious review from serious site when in AGS site (your game engine site) are written these terrible comments.

That's COMPLETE bullshit. First of all, noone except for yourself genuinely affects the destiny of your game. Secondly, if somebody writes a review about a game, he playes it beforehand to know what he's talking about, so he wouldn't care too much about some review panel somewhere. If your game is good, then people consider it good and that's all.

This is getting too stupid. Matti out - forever.

abstauber · Fri 23/04/2010 14:43:50

Here's a nice fish

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Iliya · Fri 23/04/2010 14:45:56

Matti this is NOT bullshit! I've been through this. You words sounds principle, but reality is something else.

Vince Twelve · Fri 23/04/2010 15:10:57

Quote from: Harg on Fri 23/04/2010 14:34:15
Guys, this is my battle against AGS Panel, which is ONE guy who decides the destiny of your game. How will you get serious review from serious site when in AGS site (your game engine site) are written these terrible comments. How to explain to another sites that this review is an opinion of 1 man. They read "AGS panel left comments...", but they don't know that this is one guy's opinion.

How many people, do you suppose, write each review at Reloaded? Is there a reason that they can have one person review a game and that is somehow more valid than one person from the AGS panel? Tell the truth, is it because you agree with their review?

The AGS panel score, represents the view of the panel. I have seen how the panel process works. Every score is given an explanation in the panel-members-only forum and is open to discussion. If a score is called into question, by either another panel member or by anyone else on the forums, it is discussed by the panel members and a decision is made. Scores and panel comments have been adjusted as a result of these conversations. That makes the score the view of the panel.

The panel member's comment is not a full review, no. To compare it to one is apples to oranges. It is a few sentences meant to give some explanation as to the reason for the cup score.

If you disagree with the panel score of your game, that's fine. The most drastic measure you can take is removing your game from the database. You've done that. I would argue that removing your game will lose you more players than a low cup rating, but the decision is ultimately yours.

Quote from Andail's poll:

Quote3. How important are the panel ratings (the 1-5 blue cups system) for you?

I disregard them      33%
I generally avoid the 1-cup games, but I don't let the ratings govern my decisions further that that      54%
I rely heavily on the ratings and only play games above a certain level      14%

A review by any other website has more words than a panel rating, but that's the main difference. One person writes each review for almost every major review website. This goes for games, movies, books, everything.

Relax. When you put your creative work out there for all to see and enjoy, you might not get the response you were hoping for, but you don't have to let that dishearten you. You can either shove it aside and chalk it up to a few people who didn't "get" it (many great artists do), or you can take their comments and criticism to heart and try to improve. OR you can make a big stink about it and come off sounding juvenile and whiney. You are mostly sounding like that last one.

Clearly a large number of people have found enjoyment in your games. Take heart in that. Keep making them. And keep trying to improve. The more time you spend obsessing over a single rating, the less time you spend making games.