Yes, its over

[R4L]

This phrase 'after the fact'.  I've been hearing it more and more in the past year or two.  I can't explain why but it's just horrible.

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[Icey]

Have you ever just once read one of your posts before posting them? Or even after the fact?

You manage to make a garbled, unintelligible mess out of 3 (4) short lines.

You are "better of saying."?
Mods is able to "take off post"?

This is why I have no patience when dealing with you anymore. You just don't give a crap about basic netiquette.

And yeah, welcome to the internet, mods is a moderator and can edit any post however he likes.

I bet you will only address that last line (or maybe not because I've added this line).

So let me get this straight, You can't really put up with due to how my post come out? Well just so I can be your best friend I will start check my post twice

Also I am not a mod so I wouldn't have known that....unless I googled it.

I get this feeling that if this thread goes on a new character might emerge from some joke and end up becoming a beloved character just like OSD. If that does happen what would happen to Dennis?

[monkey0506]

So let me get this straight, You can't really put up with due to how my post come out? Well just so I can be your best friend I will start check my post twice

What. The. Hell.

You. Cannot. Be. Serious.

I was actually going to try and defend you a little bit (for once), but this is just ridiculous. How can you expect me to believe that you "check [your] post twice" when you say things like "put up with due to how my post come out" and "I will start check my post twice"??

You need to seriously consider taking some remedial English courses, immediately. I'm not trying to be rude, but it is obvious you have not got the slightest clue how the language is supposed to work. Honestly.

Also I am not a mod so I wouldn't have known that....unless I googled it.

Right, because the only place moderators of a forum are listed is inside of other moderators' minds and on Google. :o Wait, WHAT THE HELL?

I get this feeling that if this thread goes on a new character might emerge from some joke and end up becoming a beloved character just like OSD. If that does happen what would happen to Dennis?

This thread started off with a reasonable enough goal. You wanted to be able to play some games online with some of us here. That is obvious from the way you design your games, your insistence on trying to include "multiplayer" as a feature in your games, your incessant talking about playing games online with us. We know that's what you want out of life, is to play games online. That's not a bad thing, but there's a lot more to life than that, so don't be crushed just because we don't all share that same goal all of the time.

I enjoy playing games online, but it doesn't drive my life. It's not my passion. A lot of people around here probably feel similarly to me in that regard.

And just before this thread gets locked, I'm going to post this and hopefully edit it with the rest of my reply.

Edit: So, as I was saying, this thread started off with a reasonable enough purpose. I laughed about it, and I said my peace because it seemed typical of the type of behaviour you typically display.

From there the thread derailed because, as I said, very few people around here are really as passionate about online gaming as yourself. Actually, I'd venture so far as to say that none of us are as passionate about it as you.

Pair that with the mentioned fact that Kaillera is, apparently, relatively slow compared to other gameplay methods. I've never used it so I can't speak with any authority on this matter, but for those who have it might be extremely relevant (presuming that the statements that have been made are in fact accurate).

To top this all off, you don't even have a Kaillera server set up, as you've only just recently revealed. This late in the thread, that information in particular seems extremely relevant.

In any case, you're right that this thread shouldn't have been allowed to go as far off-topic as it did. But the derailment was perpetuated almost exclusively by the fact that I don't think anyone even showed up to play along with you.

There was a point at which I felt perhaps people were speaking a bit too harshly toward you. The problem though is that nothing gets through to you. We don't comment on your grammar to try and mock you, at least that's not how it started out. Several people have tried to help you understand why what you're doing is wrong. Several times we have told you "this word is spelled '...' not '...'", and the like. It has apparently had little-to-no effect. So the people trying to legitimately trying to help you have gotten tired of their apparently meaningless efforts, and said efforts have devolved into the state we find ourselves at now.

This is not a new problem here. This is not something that happened overnight. This has been a long and on-going process, that has been on a downward spiral for a very long time. You must understand that, I implore you.

Regarding your statements about a "new" Oceanspirit Dennis, let me assure you, as much as I and many of us here do in fact love the wonderful parody that is Oceanspirit Dennis, none of us, not a single person here wants a new Oceanspirit. That's not to say that we don't want someone to replace Dennis. Really, that wouldn't be an issue of concern at all. What I'm getting at is that Oceanspirit is the Boxxy of AGS. It hasn't gone to the same extreme (if you have no idea of Boxxy's history, you can Google it), but the principle applies. There are those who love him, and those who hate him. There's little room in-between the two factions. But those who love him do so for one reason: because Oceanspirit Dennis is a way for all of us to laugh about a particular somebody who has absolutely no idea that he's being made fun of. The joke has its limitations though, and that is why nobody, and I mean nobody, wants another Oceanspirit.

Seriously, I don't know that this rant will in any way change anything. I don't know that you're going to be able to comprehend and take to heart my point well enough to be able to legitimately change anything. You swore in the aforementioned "troll thread" that you were going to change. You promised me personally that you were going to try. And consistently you have done the exact same things, you have exemplified the exact same behaviour that lead to that thread to begin with.

So understanding that this thread is not going to benefit you, consider this my official rationale, for everyone's behaviour toward you. You don't have the right to play the victim here. As much as I thought some of the posts were a bit extreme, the way you responded to them has justified them entirely. I'm sorry, but it has.

You were given an ultimatum. You were given the opportunity to change. You swore you would. You did not. This. Is. Your. Fault.

[InCreator]

Finally put down simple life rules about moving on feet (27 years of experience, don't own a car or bicycle, lot's of hiking in really harsh conditions), some other notes too

* If distance between you and objective is about 1-2km or less, jog. You'll use about 150-200% of energy compared to walking there, but move 300% faster and get there three times quicker. Which improves mood also.
* If distance is longer, walk fast. Energy consumption is a bit higher, but you'll get actually tired quicker and more frustrated the more you take time to get anywhere
* If distance is around 500m and you don't have to move much more after that, sprint. travelling  close to 30km/h is awesome and you'll reach objective about 4-6 times faster than walking. Basically a difference between 5 minutes vs 1 minute, which sure does count when catching a bus or something. At that distance, you shouldn't get too tired and sweaty too, unless you're fat and totally out of shape. In which case, you should do it anyway. Just not before going into closed area with lots of people in it

In winter, if it's really cold, this is different:

* If there's heavy wind or biting cold, jog. Bad weather (and escpecially, wind) worns you down over time, not distance, so the faster you get into building, the better. Speed must be low enough so you'd won't go outta breath and get cold due heavy breathing.
* If temperature is around or less than -18°C, use your scarf to cover mouth, but not nose and breathe through nose. Breathing through mouth creates moisture into scarf, which will freeze and ruin your face (it goes red for 2-3 days and itch or "bite")
** If you have to rest/sleep in this weather in nature or something, make sure you cover your neck and ears, because otherwise you won't wake up. Also, drink a lot. If you have no scarf, boxers can double as makeshift scarf. If you wake up and have no will to move, punch yourself (it helps, adrenaline resets survival instincts). Heavy hypothermia does this (you just don't care anymore) and I'm thankful for my friend who snapped me out of this once and made fire
* If it's simply cold, but doesn't look like it will deteriorate your energy, walk. You don't need to perspirate in cold.
* In high snow, take all the time you need. Jogging or fast walking while snow is up to your knee is stupid and you won't get anywhere
* On ice, shoe-skating is both fun and more efficient than trying to walk on it
* Wet clothes in winter kill. You'll be FAR better without wearing clothes at all than wearing wet clothes. Fell into icy lake? Strip immediately.

And other notes

* In heavy rain, sprint. Despite what Mythbusters say, the faster you get out of rain, the better. Amount of water in your clothes usually matter less than time being under cold shower
* In light rain, walk fast. It can get worse any moment so better haul ass.
* In really light fog-like rain (we call it mushroom rain) during warm summer morning, take off your shirt and shoes and fuckin enjoy. It's greatest weather ever
* Being shirtless or adjusting pants zipper if you forgot it open (in public) is okay. People who look down to you or start screaming are idiots and never been to a beach
* When on stairs, take 2 steps at once. Taking only one will frustrate people who are NOT descendants of snails and makes you look old and slow
* 2m high 9 to 11-stair stairway can be easily scaled in 2 huge leaps (upwards) if you speed up last few steps before ascending and are under 30 years old. Never try it while descending unless you enjoy head trauma and broken bones

[Icey]

@Monkey: your right, I can't keep saying I got and I will change for the better of the community. But you know I do end up changing however their is all ways that one little joke that seems to mess me up. I don't notice it cause I get caught up in the whole me going back and forth with everyone.

I guess there is only one thing I can do to fix this and that would be to pay attention to every thing so I don't end up messing up.

Also another reason why I respond the way I did at times is so I don't blow up. I already made a promise that I wouldn't argue with someone if they are starting stuff so I tried to respond in a way that wouldn't later trigger me to get upset because of previous last comment.

@Increator+: When I first skimped through your post I wondered why you would post all of that. However the title does imply anything meaning nothing is off topic now.

[InCreator]

I just sat and thought "anything"? Okay

[Babar]

I'm not quite sure what Increator is writing in response to, but it seems good enough advice. I wish I knew that when I was without vehicular transport for a couple of months...no idea how I'd have jogged in a big overcoat, though .

But seriously, what is up with all this Icey hatred?
Honestly, I don't really know Icey, I haven't played any of his games, or any of the games inspired by his characters, and I neither love, nor hate, nor overly care for OSD, and my only knowledge of him seems to be from what he says in these forums.

Monkey, as you say, the thread started off with a reasonable enough purpose, but then why were you one of the first to jump on his back and start gnawing (no hatred to you, monkey, but I find it funny considering the quote in your signature )?
I mean, discounting Icey's somewhat quirky writing style (and honestly, in a forum with so many international members, I've seen worse. It may be "funny" that his is bad considering he's from an english speaking country, but... is that reason to badger him even more?).

His request wasn't SO far out. People here collaborate very often to play online games. We have civ games, minecraft, we played trackmania, etc. Yet in some bizarre subversion of the concept of "trolls", the first relevant or even related response to the original point of his topic was somewhere in the middle of the 2nd page.

I'm certainly not "passionate" about online gaming, and while I have P64 installed on my computer, I'm not overly fond of either Mariokart or Super Smash brothers, I PROBABLY wouldn't join in on playing those, but I'm sure others would have fun. I've had my fun playing other online games here with other AGSers.

Perhaps someone interested could set up a server so that some like-minded people could enjoy themselves.

[Wonkyth]

What he said.
Or most of it, anyways.

Stepping on Icey is a little like duct-taping someone to the Arc de Triomphe: Desecrating a national monument!

[Buckethead]

[monkey0506]

It wasn't the concept so much as the execution. I tried, through the use of my flamboyant sarcasm, to show him how it could possibly be improved into something more viable, but the point was missed entirely, as is so very, very often the case with him.

icey, I wasn't going to respond to you, except I have this burning desire driving me. I cannot suppress it. The revised subject of this thread does not imply "anything". It explicitly states "anything". That is all.

For the record, I don't dislike icey. I, against my better judgement, hold onto a hope that someday he will figure this all out. But for now, I just don't think that I have the ability or means to help him in that journey.

[Phemar]

What's up with all this 4chan culture overflowing into AGS?

And Icey: lrn2english plx. Your posts are retarded.

[Icey]

I already said why my text comes out like that. If there is one thing you got to remember is that I am a teen not and adult. I tend to write differently then I do here on other sites. I try to fix my grammar mistakes but some times I forget because I am not use to doing that.

[Khris]

So let me get this straight, You can't really put up with due to how my post come out? Well just so I can be your best friend I will start check my post twice

Uh, ok. Your posts are annoying to read. It's not just you're/your and their/they're/there, sometimes your sentences are mutilated so badly it takes me a few seconds to get what you want to say. It's really annoying, it stops the reading flow in its tracks (I'm a very fast reader) and it always strikes me as really obnoxious behavior on your part because I for one reread my posts before posting them in order to not annoy the hell out of other people and I expect the same from every other person in an internet forum, especially an American in an English forum.
So yeah, I'm sick of putting up with you mainly because of your posting style, no matter how unlikely, weird or funny you may find it.
I don't really care that you're living in a dream world in which SquareEnix will hire somebody who has only shown creativity when it comes to ripping off other people's works and can't even master their own first language, or that you put pics online that show you with FF hairdos drawn in top.
And I sure as hell don't care about being your friend, and not just because talking to you is like talking to a wall wrapped in lots of cotton and I have yet to see you actually say sorry for something you did wrong.

I don't even want to know how you post on other sites. Even worse than here?
You still don't understand that it is common courtesy to put some effort into making your posts readable.

You're still making excuses. "I'm a teen", "I forget", as if anybody would give a shit. Right, you are a teen, not a seven year-old or a senile old man, so get a grip instead of whining like a bitch. Don't tell us why you can't, tell us you'll friggin' man up and then actually do it.

[Phemar]

... not and adult.

Yea, like you couldn't have noticed that error with a quick read-through of your post. Dude, I was a teen once too and still pretty much am.

Here's a post from 2004, when I was thirteen years old. It contains hardly any errors and I think it's rather relevant:

Now is the time when we come to ask ourselves "Where has this topic actually gotten us? Where emotionally? where physically?
Have we actually emotinally matured during the course of this topic? Are we actually any closer to the light than we were when this was started?"

Now compare that to your posts. I was 13, dude.

[Icey]

But you seem like don't get the fact that a lot of teens make up these stupid words that I end up using. Like I'm hip instead of I know.

[Peder 🚀]

Like I'm hip instead of I know.

What?

[Bror_Jon]

But you seem like don't get the fact that a lot of teens make up these stupid words that I end up using. Like I'm hip instead of I know.

Surly the "hip" kids don't make up their own grammar? But still, if that is the case, you don't have to talk and write like they.

Edit: Dunningâ€"Kruger effect?

[veryweirdguy]

Like I'm hip instead of I know.

What?

That one actually makes sense, and you are old: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=I'm%20hip

I'm hip
1. To agree, concur or express understanding of something.
2. Being in "the know" or knowledgable about a subject.

[monkey0506]

You're still making excuses instead of trying to resolve the problem. Do you not realize that this behaviour is what is perpetuating the entire problem to begin with? Do you honestly not realize that?

Saying, "I'm hip," instead of, "I know," is a little thing that we in the business of speaking the English language like to call slang. It varies quite vastly from inventing new ways of spelling words, leaving out words that make your sentences completely unintelligible, or randomly replacing one word with another (which although this could be slang, it's sort of not when you're the only one doing it).

You have said things such as:

men't

wan't

wont

...you seem like don't get the fact...

I tend to write differently then I do here on other sites.

...I can't keep saying I got and I will change...

...because of previous last comment.

I'm not quoting you on these to try and mock you. I'm quoting you on these to implore you to understand why they are wrong. This is not slang. Although it does not follow the traditional rules of grammar, slang still follows rules. There is no rhyme or reason to anything you type or say. I don't understand it. I cannot fathom how you have come to be this way and cannot see what the problem is. I wish I could understand. I wish I knew what it was, but I don't. I just don't.

I really do, truly and honestly hope that whatever it is that has caused you to become this way can be dealt with whether the cure is simply a bit of time and maturity, or extensive remedial schooling, or whatever it may take. I hope for your own benefit that it can be overcome. This is not just some one-off typo. This is a major flaw in the way that you comprehend what is going on in the world around you*. I don't get it, but time and again this has been explained to you, and time and again it completely evades your comprehension.

All sarcasm, all joking, everything else aside, I seriously do not understand why this is so difficult for you. I just don't. And I wish you luck, because if you can't find a way to overcome this, I really do see a bleak future ahead for you. And that's not something I would ever wish on anyone.

I'm sorry man. But I simply do not get it. I simply do not understand.

*To be perfectly clear, this is not just a lack of understanding of grammar. This problem is bigger than that. It is an entire behavioral problem. There is something fundamentally wrong here, and if you don't know what I'm talking about, I beseech you to thoroughly examine the previous posts, not just in this thread, but over the past several months, and indeed years.

[Dualnames]

I frankly have never been so mindblown. LIKE EVER.

Also, since Khris and monkey and anyone that posted here, have been there and said the exact same things over and over and over, a question lies in my brain. Why are we doing this? Is there a benefit from repeating the same things, over and over? Isn't this already pointless? Why initially did you troll from post number one, his idea, even if it was shit. I mean, damn, you can't troll a person and then give him advice expecting him to take it.

I may as well be wrong, so disregard me completely.