A Rare Honour for Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw!

[Secret Fawful]

Call it his luck or something else but I believe all of this happened on EZ Boards and they're no more.

Maybe. I always found it suspicious that nobody here ever wanted to talk about it.

[Adeel]

Maybe. I always found it suspicious that nobody here ever wanted to talk about it.

When I were new around here. I felt like that too. But now all the curiosity has died as though it was never there in the first place!

m0ds: I understand the point you wanted to convey. I personally know of one such person who has stopped using AGS and moved on to different things.

Still, it would've been great had he was still here.

[Myinah]

I don't find it suspicious in the slightest that people dont want to talk about something that happened over a decade ago. I mean why should the veterans of the forums have to constantly tell every nosey newbie what happened? People have fights, they move on and forget them. If you are really hell bent on knowing why dont you do a forum search for Yahtzee, because frankly it gets brought up a lot as you will see. I don't blame people for getting sick of it.

Here is what Chris Jones had to say about the whole thing http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=1682.msg68984#msg68984

I wish people would stop feeling so entitled to know every tiny detail about things that are really just ancient internet dramas that they weren't even involved in. Curiosity does not somehow trump the fact people don't want to rehash it for the millionth time. Just learn to let go.

[Adeel]

I believe it's a natural phenomenon that new people are curious and will be curious about Yahtzee. Because he was and IS an internet celebrity and the fact that he was once deeply associated with AGS. And there are people too, such as myself who were introduced to AGS for the very first time solely because of his games. Hence the curiosity becomes much intensified.

Its just that some people do research on their own, form opinions and get satisfied while some need at least one witness of the matter to fully satisfy themselves before forming an opinion.

We can't put everyone in the same class.

[Ben X]

get involved in debates like some people did, literally, to the death.

Forget Yahtzee, I want to hear about people literally killing each other!

[Myinah]

I think it's completely reasonable to tell them to stop opening new threads and demanding answers when there is a working search function. The vets said what they had to say, it's rude to keep bringing it up and bitching when they don't want to go into the level of detail we might want. Frankly it's not our business.

Also I never said curiosity wasn't natural. I was curious myself, but being a rational adult I knew better than to ask about decade old drama because its a bit pathetic. And Yahtzee being an internet celebrity doesn't mean we somehow have the right to pry and badger the veterans. I understand being curious, I just dont think its appropriate to act like we are entitled to know everything about it. They have no obligation to talk about it, and we need to respect that.

[Adeel]

If everyone thought rationally, wouldn't there be only peace and no wars?

Bad joke aside, I completely agree with you. Search tool was indeed my best companion to dig out the history of this community in general and Yahtzee in particular.

Secondly, this thread was started by Mandle to inform us about an honour bestowed upon Yahtzee and not to ask anything about him. So, he's definitely not responsible for the conversation started here.

Moreover, I played an important part in derailing this thread. Hence, I apologize for that.

[Myinah]

I know Mandle is not responsible. I have not insinuated he was even slightly. Anyone capable of reading can see that he hasn't attempted to push the issue, and who actually has.

But yes, no need to derail the original thread. It was 100% well intentioned.

[qptain Nemo]

Well, if you want on-topic discussion...

I mean no disrespect to Mandle, the post is clearly well-intended, but to be honest I find the idea of being mentioned on silly Wikipedia an honour quite funny. And not only because I have a grudge against Wikipedia for their methods, the deletion of the page for Ben Jordan series and general uselessness and inadequacy in any specific area of knowledge beyond the very basic level.

But also because... I mean being mentioned on Wikipedia can only mean one of the following two things:

• some random guy or gal who likes you/your stuff managed to sneak a mention of you/your stuff past the pedantic fun-hating wiki moderators and they weren't vigilant enough to spot and delete it... yet
• it's actually mentioned so much outside of wikipedia that it's actually "notable" by Wikipedia standards, which in turns means it's already so well-known that a mention on Wikipedia AS WELL adds essentially nothing

[Mandle]

Well, if you want on-topic discussion...

I mean no disrespect to Mandle, the post is clearly well-intended, but to be honest I find the idea of being mentioned on silly Wikipedia an honour quite funny. And not only because I have a grudge against Wikipedia for their methods, the deletion of the page for Ben Jordan series and general uselessness and inadequacy in any specific area of knowledge beyond the very basic level.

But also because... I mean being mentioned on Wikipedia can only mean one of the following two things:

• some random guy or gal who likes you/your stuff managed to sneak a mention of you/your stuff past the pedantic fun-hating wiki moderators and they weren't vigilant enough to spot and delete it... yet
• it's actually mentioned so much outside of wikipedia that it's actually "notable" by Wikipedia standards, which in turns means it's already so well-known that a mention on Wikipedia AS WELL adds essentially nothing

I see your points here, and if the games had merely been mentioned on Wikipedia somewhere I would not consider that a notable honour in and of itself...

It was the fact that they are mentioned on the H.P. Lovecraft page, one of the absolute giants of (some would even say father of) the entire horror genre, that impressed me. As this page probably gets literally tens of millions of hits per year (if not more) I would expect it is quite well "policed" by the Wikipedia staff in regard to cutting out useless or irrelevant content.

Also I want to add that I did not think that any of the "rubbernecking past the car accident" comments were aimed at myself, but thanks to those that went out of their way to say so as well

Last thing: I watched a movie last night called "Evidence". It's an indie horror/thriller and actually very good, with some nice twists in the plot along the way. The reason I mention it here is that the slasher/psycho-killer character in the movie wears a welder's mask and welder's apron... Sound familiar to anyone? I had to wonder if the writers had played the Trilby series

[Secret Fawful]

Sure, I admit that it's arrogance that makes me demand answers. Now it all makes sense. But honestly, I really just wanted to know that this community wasn't some evil asshole community that once pushed out one of its designers. How could I ever come here with respect and a feeling of pride in this community if I didn't know?

I've always thought you all just hid the fact that you collectively pushed someone out of the community. I never even thought for a second that you were all just tired of talking about something a decade old.

Now I know.

[selmiak]

*take out popcorn*
*shouts hater(s) for no ransom*

[Myinah]

I think I'll join you with that popcorn Selmiak

[Stupot]

You're all talking like this is some big family tragedy that the grown-ups don't like to talk about in front of the kids.  Who exactly did Uncle Yahtzee kill?

[LimpingFish]

Plenty of people have moved on from the community over the years, for various reasons, and the only people who remember them (or wonder what they went on to do) are those who were here at the time. Because of his later success, though, Yahtzee's fall from grace, and subsequent exit, has been inflated to mythic proportions. As I only began lurking around the community shortly after the fact, I have little to no knowledge of what happened at the time.

And to be honest, besides a vague curiosity, I've never really given it too much thought. Yahtzee's apology really does tell you all you need to know, if, indeed, you must know.

People leave all the time, sometimes for reasons known only to themselves. While I don't exactly share Mod's fatalistic view, some do just feel like their time could be spent in a more constructive way; which is as good a reason as any.

[Secret Fawful]

I've been reading the AGS Forums since 2003 or 2004. I remember when 7 Days a Skeptic was a new game. I remember when Ben Jordan 2 was a new game.

I also remember never seeing whatshisname around, so I've been curious for YEARS. I can't really say this is a new thing I suddenly started wondering about.

[Adeel]

You're all talking like this is some big family tragedy that the grown-ups don't like to talk about in front of the kids.  Who exactly did Uncle Yahtzee kill?

Someone stupid who used to smoke pot...

[Andail]

http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=1682.msg68984#msg68984

Great link, Myinah

It's fun because basically 90% of everyone I remember from back then posted in that thread.

[m0ds]

Are you bitter about it though Andail? Why did you move this thread all over the bloody place?

[Adeel]

Are you bitter about it though Andail? Why did you move this thread all over the bloody place?

I thought I were 'seeing things' when I saw Andal's post that this thread has been moved to The Rumpus Room but when I replied, the thread was shifted here. For a moment, I got worried that I replied in the wrong thread...

I know Mandle is not responsible. I have not insinuated he was even slightly. Anyone capable of reading can see that he hasn't attempted to push the issue, and who actually has. [...]

That part wasn't specifically aimed at you. Its just that I saw Mandle apologizing, so I thought why on the Earth is he apologizing and what for?