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I think that my opinion is clear...  So, to summarise again...

Good clima charts are chaotic enough to automatically assuming that the activity after the industrial revolution had something to see, specially considering that nowadays human emissions are still insignificant (search for natural C02 and petrol emissions, for example).

So... Would I sign for a neverending garden of Eden in Earth in spite the shitty enviroment we see in the city skirts? Yes.
Will I do something to help? Yes.
Do I think that the use of fossil fuels should be redouced? Yes (and not just for enviroment... I would like to see some Wahabbist arabian and some KKKlanish texans families die by famine...)

Do I think we are hurting the Earth? Yes.

But for me, the people is aiming to a false enemy. C02 emissions and tanker accidents are really annoying... but as I said before, and, under my opinion, a simply scratch in the surface of the earth. for me the main problem is the deforestation of Amazones, mainly by Brasil and Bolivia.

Of course... Lula and Evo are revolutionary cammarades, and it' s not so fashioned to blame them... Also, this deforestation is baing made basically for creating cheap grasslands for producing cheap beef meat... Meat, which is destined to feed the pets in houses of the Western countries.

So... excuse me. I have been called "anti-enviromentalist" by people who owns a dog and has deforested a place where 30 families could live in a building for constructing a lonely cotagge. Allow me to be sceptical against every cataclismic premonition they make... Specially if it aims "the evil USA", and not theirselves. People must do what its in their hands to help nature, and not just chit chat. I see alot of hipocrisy here*, so I instintivelly turn into "deffensive" mode.

(*) Here means my country, and some friends I have, not AGS forums or any agser.

Disco, Barcelona' s cathedral works started in 1299 and were finished in 1420... If you see men working there is because they are restoring it.

Maybe you are confusing Barcelona' s gothic cathedral with Sagrada Familia, which is still under construction (and will be under construction for some other centuries). The heavy part of the works (when Gaudi took the project) started in 1883.



As you can see here... still a lot of work to do.



Sorry... I like Barcelon a lot... 

Steve... "someone is presenting fake ones?"

To summarise... Yes. Hockey stick is a fake.

Sorry my English 

The thing basically is... People I know that have autolabelled themselves as "enviromentalists" do the same that I do towards nature that I do... Or less, so much less. If not counterproductive actions. A little less conversation, a little more action! Excuse me if I am sceptical about them.

If you see REAL temperature charts, you' ll see that the warmest period in history was in the middle age, no factories, CFCs or cars in that period. Also, you can see that from the 70ies the temperature is rising. I don't know why... But I also can't say "it's because the Western countries capitalism..."

We have seen significative descents this last (XXth) century also. If the "enviromentalists" were correct, since the industrial revolution the temperature should have raised constantly.

And a graphic chart is not as difficult as reading a specific book.

Anyway... if asking for documentation is unfair, I should stop also, since I don' t want to read (again) classical "enviromentalists" books... 

The thing is clear. You say A. I say B. You say that, unless I change to A, I am ignorant. I say you, "read a book with evidences for B". You say you won' t... Ok, I won' t read "A books" either. End of discussion. This is not a fight I want to fight really...

But I would like to read what people (declared as enviromentalists) do for nature. Put a sticker of WWF adena in the car? Or stop using the car? Saying "America is crap because the produce too much C02" while they do still hapilly smoke their cigarette... Or lighting the cigarette off? Saying "Spaniard is retarded because they kill bulls... or stoping eating meat?

I know what I do for nature. I ride my bike, allways keeping the bundles of my food with me (sometimes for 100 kms. or more...) I live in a flat, where 30 other families live, while other of my friends (auto-declared as "enviromentalists") do live in a cottage. The same area where 30 families live just for a family! And they are hypocrital enough to criticise buildings as "anti enviroment concrete barriers"!

A curious case happened in Spain. The former government wanted to sollute the drought of the south. So they wanted to make a diversion of water from Ebro river, in Catalonia to the south. The "Enviromentalists" claimed that the descent of wealth (10%) could affect the quality of the sedimentation of earth in the delta in the next 100 years, go figure!

Result. New government, diversion cancelled... Millions of loses in tourism incomes for the drought, and a disproportionate spent in (future) sea water salt removers (that will increase the electricity spent and will produce salt pollution) (yeah, the salt produced from that salt removers is pollution, it is unusable for humans and toxical in the sea). There is still drought...

Also, a week after en "enviromentalist" group paralised the inagouration of a new road because the cave of the "red bat" was put in danger during the works. 7 people died in an accident because there was a dangerous curve in the older route.

So... Sorry if I don' t like "enviromentalists" a lot and I tend to be sceptical...

In addition, this "West capitalist countries blah blah..." are causing it all, it is also ,in my opinion, a (widely spreaded) , lie.

What causes contamination?

Do we talk about nuclear? Who are making nuke tests lately? France, South Korea, Pakistan, India and (possibly soon) Iran. One "West capitalist Ã, of a group of 5...

Do we call of deforestation? Brasil and Bolivia are deforesting the Amazones, not an "Evil West country".

Animal slaughtering? Chineses are slaughtering the population of tigers, because they grind the bones to make a "powder that cures artrosis" Ã, Same happens with Rhynos and Gorillas. It is not our "West medicine", I think...

This "Occidental capitalism" is going to collapse soon is something that has been said before (The machines will do the job of men, therefore uneployed masses of population will cause a revolt that will destroy the civilization blah, blah..."  -Karl Marx)

As it happened before, this armaggedon theories will be prooved to be false. Progress and science will find a sollution. The sollution is investigating more. For example, 90% of the emission of the C02 gasses are made by switching on the engines of the cars. Scientists are investigating combined diesel/electric cars which will redouce emissions in 90%. Western scientists, of course.

Do you imagine Kim Jon Il giving money to investigate automobile with combined electric and diesel engines? I don' t.

Adam. That "the heat is being increased expotentially" is a spreadly fallacy based on the "hockey stick graphic", which has been prooved to be a goof.

[link]http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2005/03/03/hockey-stick-1998-2005-rip/[/link]

So, guys... Read "The Skeptical Environmentalist", study real graphic charts, and reconsider your opinions. If they are still the same, I will be opened to discuss.

Unless you go on with the "If you don' t agree with me you are a bunch of ignorants".

Discussions go like this. Showing of opinion A, Showing of opinion B. Discussion of both opinions to see if there is a sensible middle term. If people with "opinion B" is simply going to say as reasons "You are ignorants" I am out. You win. Congratulations!

It's ignorance to not accept this fact.

http://www.lomborg.com/
Or maybe we' re drinking from another fountains of knowleadge...

People forms its opinions searching and choosing which of this (many times opposed) information is the most sensible... I really believe we are not still powerfull enough to hurt the earth. It' s a fact that human c02 emissions are insignificant compared with the natural ones (volcanoes). Same happens with petrol emanations. It' s is very discouraging when you see a tanker wasting it' s deathly change to the coast and sea, but it' s not very significant compared with the emanations of natural sources.

Jumping over this concept and saying "You are ignorant if you don' t agree with the path I' ve choosed" is, I am sorry to say, something I don' t really agree.

There is a movie called "Ice age 2: The meltdown"

It prooves that factories, western countries excessive style of living, capitalism and colonialism provoqued a global warming before...

Ouch!

I am not going to say a rude "no!" for this... I don' t have a 3d painting program, but many people does, and an activity for those who like 3d, this might be very interesting.

As this is release "something" I am going to post unfinished work... Hope nobody complains.

This might be in a game, but, as I said that many times before and no game has finally been released, I will just tell that this is an image I' ve been working on lately...

I am not sure of the parts of the sub, so, some rooms could be missplaced... If someone can help, I'll gladly accept his/her PM and put him/her in the credits.



EDIT: Here is a closeup of the "tower" of the sub.

But he is making me feel that way...

I imagine the best food in the world... Mmmmm... Spaghetti bolognesa, mmmm... tasty.

And then I imagine bolognesa everyday, 3 times per day, during 3 weeks a month, two...

I guess I would start hating bolognesa.

I am starting to feel the same with Maniac Mansion... :

Hey Petter! To rinse the air? Why? I know I pushed my theory of "reverse racism" a bit too much comparing it to terrorist acts, but that was just that, a dialectic tactic to force you to give an oppinion in a direction or the opposite.Ã,  It didn' t corrupted the air for me in any way. I was just discussing with a person I personally know, a friend, knowing that he was going to react as if he was personally talking with me, which means, without missunderstandings, over reactions, bad stories, or hard feelings.

If that arguments created the billionesimal part of a gram of annoyance in you, I am not just also to apologise, but also disposed to go back about all I said. It (winning a discussion) wouldn' t be worth of it (annoyimg a friend)

So, if needed, sorry. You have me in msn, if you see me we can talk about that. anyway, apologies again.

As a note side, I' d like to say the name of guys I consider mates who were "assholes" for me before, because of discussions... DG MacPhee, JetXL and Mordalles.

Having a discussion, apology/receives apologies and those apologies to be accepted might be most powerfull as a friend maker than years of "normal" internet relationship.

So, if this can work with you Petter too, in case the relation with you and me was "corrupted" from your point of view (first news for me, really) I' d like to test the therapy.Ã, 

No probs Ishmael. 

I know what he means, I also called for my attempts as not considered entries when Darth Mandarb was hosting the activity. I understand him, and we should respect his decission.

Ticket to Ride
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Lucy in the sky with diamonds
Come together
Every little thing

From which game did you ripped that sprites Fabiano? They are not from Civilization... Is there a mod? Or are they yours? They are fantastic!

With a LOT of delay... I am posting this... Today I was browsing my favourites links and I saw this page belonging Barcik (One of the oldest members)

The photo was shoot under the Eiffel tower, two hours after FC Barcelona became the European Champion... You can see Barcik, Lorena, and me, in the middle... Good memories.Ã, 

I never asked DG to remove it, just that I don't like it... He is free to do what he wants. 

Yes, Nikolas... As said, I agree with the spirit of DG and Andail' s post. I will keep my opinion about Skyfire1, for not incurring into hypocrisy, but I will tell that "He missed some oportunities to make friends, recognise his errors, and reset his bad record to 0" But IMO, he is still in time! This won' t help...

Changing the topic of the thread to "Skyfire is a racist nutbag" to everyone to see it, enter, and sum to the public derision is something that my evil part might secretelly agree with... But my new "mr. Colossalish" mood makes me rebel against that, specially coming from DG, who is a pal I like. The next post of yours, applauding it, being as you are, 10X times more pure than me, is something that I can' t agree either.  Actually it makes me feel weird, and old... 

I think there' s a common consense that Skyfire is not so old as his profile says, so, even I hate his ideas, I can' t have a bad feeling about him, because, basically, now, that ideas are not genuine of him... Maybe they come from his parents? Who knows... Still, I feel more sad than open to a massive communitary attack.

Wow... how weird, deffending a kid I don' t love too much of three members I do...  headache... No hard feelings.